Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of municipalities in Yukon/archive2

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by SchroCat 12:51, 6 February 2015 [1].

List of municipalities in Yukon

Nominator(s): Mattximus (talk) 21:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC), Hwy43 (talk)[reply]

We are endeavouring to bring the list of municipalities for every province and territory of Canada to featured status and eventually topic. We are close. We have created a standardized format and so far promoted Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Alberta, British Columbia, Northwest Territories, and Nunavut. We have also taken suggestions from the previous nominations into account.

This nomination was attempted before but opposed due to low interest and having only 8 municipalities. Yukon has, however, only 8 municipalities. There was a brief discussion with featured list delegates here that encouraged us to try again. Any and all input appreciated to help us get to featured topic! Mattximus (talk) 21:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(Permanent link; my talk page archives pretty quickly) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:54, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per 3.b fork of List of communities in Yukon I don't understand why you put this much energy into convincing people that 8 entries deserve the featured status instead of it just giving it a try to the communities list and see if you can bring it to decent level. Also, it is hard to AGF when this FLC does not even feature a link to its parent article List of communities in Yukon. Nergaal (talk) 14:04, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Nergaal: the navbox Template:Subdivisions of Yukon has been added to the article, within which the parent article, List of communities in Yukon, is linked. Hwy43 (talk) 05:39, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I wanted to give you some tips how to make List of communities in Yukon a FL instead, but I am sure that you would rather try to prove me wrong than give the communities list some TLC. Nergaal (talk) 14:06, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It has nothing to do with you, but your request is both impossible and does not make sense. First, it was determined through discussion that it was not a fork, please see here. If you want to debate that please take it up at WikiProject Canadian communities. Second, I have had a discussion with the mods regarding the number of entries and received their encouragement to nominate again (please see above). Third, we are on a quest to make a featured list of all municipalities in Canada by province and territory, we are almost done, and your request goes against the scope of {{Canada topic|List of municipalities in}}. Also, please read previous nomination for details, but I will summarize the problem with your suggestion here:
- There is no definition for what makes a community, whereas municipalities are official incorporated settlements of which there are exactly 8. What you propose is to add First Nation Reserves, bed and breakfasts, ghost towns, and mining camps among others. How do you decide what to include and what not to include? This must be answered for your suggestion to be taken seriously. If you do find a non-arbitrary list from which to draw upon, keep in mind there are no reliable statistics for those that are not municipalities. So the list you propose would have Whitehorse with 23,276 people and 416.54 square km and a bed and breakfast (Silver City) which has a single building of unknown population or area, that if it closed tomorrow would have to be removed from the list. This does not make any sense. You are arguing against a defined criteria, with an ill-defined criteria. Thanks for your efforts anyway. Mattximus (talk) 15:57, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I have been paying a close look at wp:FT for very many years, and I've seen many topics. Having a "Municipalities of Canada" topic where one article is piped to a wider article such as communities instead of municipalities is 100% fine. At wp:FTC you will not have problems because of this issue. Secondly, a communities FL would include the municipalities list as is now AND as much of the other communities that have an actual reference for. There hare plenty of FLs that are technically never 100% complete, but do have a sensible level of completeness. For whatever is beyond the scope of municipalities, there does NOT need to be a similar level of detail. For example:

unincorporated and First Nations: Name, Status, Population, location coordinates

ghost towns and abandoned communities: location coordinates and year of abandonment would suffice. Further information would be nice but not actually required.

Other and Small Yukon places: have a sentence for each with a citation. If exact location is not available, a name and a reference will suffice IMO.

Nergaal (talk)

Thanks for your reply. If we were to go your direction we would still need some kind of source that tells us what makes a community. Above you suggest four types: municipalities, first nation reserves, ghost/abandoned communities, and unincorporated places. What else? It's like you are making a list of cars, and you suggest throw in a few trucks, and a few airplanes. However, given you are passionate about this, can you province some kind of reference that provides a exact scope for your suggestion? I can then try to dig around, otherwise it's just arbitrary and random.

On a side note, it just seems odd that you are happy to trade in a 100% complete list referenced list, for one with a scope that is impossible to complete and challenging to cite (how do we know we found all unincorporated places? Does that bed and breakfast count)? I am interested in providing a high quality list of municipalities in Canada, and am not interested in researching ghost towns or bed and breakfasts as I see them as very different things. It's hard for me to understand why you insist on combining such very different things into one list. The length as is has been determined by two admins to be acceptable. Mattximus (talk) 15:11, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Matt; as legally defined, a community =/= a municipality. Conflating the two does not make sense, at all. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:45, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If the List of communities in Yukon used the Yukon Geographical Names Database (or the corresponding Canadian Geographical Names Database) and the Yukon Gazetteer to define scope as 'populated places' it would have upwards of 100 entries. −maclean (talk) 23:36, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Maclean25: you participated in the discussion for the last FLC nomination and now this one. Do you have a position to share on this nomination? i.e., oppose or support?
Also, thanks for the Yukon Gazetteer source. It can be used to greatly improve List of communities in Yukon. Hwy43 (talk) 05:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support on prose. I've copyedited; be sure to double check. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:49, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Crisco 1492: thank you for your support! Hwy43 (talk) 05:54, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I supported the previous nomination and I see no reason to change my mind. Just one niggle.

"Yukon's eight municipalities cover only 0.2% of the territory's land mass but is home to 80.2% of its population.". Shouldn't this be "are home" to agree in number with municipalities? Dudley Miles (talk) 18:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch! Thanks for your continued support! Mattximus (talk) 23:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dudley Miles: likewise, thank you for your continued support! Hwy43 (talk) 05:54, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I supported the nomination for the Nunavut list, and this one... is basically identical. I'm convinced by the arguements that a municipality list is a distinct thing separate from the amorphous "community" list, and that even with only 8 towns/cities this list should stay separate. One tiny point- should the canada template at the bottom (of this and the other similar lists) not be "Canada topic|Lists of municipalities in", since that's where the article is? (if you found this review helpful, consider optionally reviewing my World Fantasy Award for Best Anthology FLC up above). --Pres N 00:05, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. – SchroCat (talk) 12:47, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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