Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of 1968 Winter Olympics medal winners/archive1

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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 00:30, 29 April 2018 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of 1968 Winter Olympics medal winners

Featured list candidates/List of 1968 Winter Olympics medal winners/archive1

Nominator(s): Courcelles (talk) 00:46, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Grenoble, a time where the first major fight about sponsorship of athletes in the Winter games happened (but that's not relevant to THIS particular list). Matches the format of the recently promoted 1998 Nagano list, but this time with much less caveats and changes in the programme to document. Courcelles (talk) 00:46, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Well-formatted, good citations, interesting subject matter, I think this is a winner.--Newbiepedian (talk · contribs · X! · logs) 03:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It seems rather odd to split this list into List of 1968 Winter Olympics medal winners and 1968 Winter Olympics medal table. I was looking for the totals in this page only to find it was to be found in another page. Is there any reason not to have these merged into a single article? Mattximus (talk) 13:23, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

One is about the nations with the individuals import only in passing, this list is the opposite. We have several examples where both this list and the medal table are already FL's, some with a smaller programme than here. (See the 1924 Winter Olympics for an example.) It gets especially unfeasible for either Summer Olympics or modern Winter ones to be combined, though. Courcelles (talk) 15:48, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article looks fine. I only noticed a few red links (about the details), but that doesn't have to do with the article itself and is a really minor aspect. In my opinion it deserves FL status. Akocsg (talk) 19:29, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I see a few inconsistencies. You use both "NOCs" and "NOC's" (the former is correct) and in the photo captions you have "Toini Gustafsson of Sweden (pictured here in 2014)" and "Jean-Claude Killy, here pictured in 2012," (i.e. slightly different wording and one uses parentheses where the other doesn't). Also, the Tikhonov photo caption should not have a comma after his name.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Thanks for your comments, I believe I've addressed them all. Courcelles (talk) 13:54, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - all looks good now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:28, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support
- Is it necessary to have , their first as separate teams., when the sentence before the reader finds out it is their first Olympics as separate teams? Seems intuitive. Kees08 (Talk) 09:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Reworded to not be so repetative, but I'm trying to be clear that it wasn't Germany's first medals. (Both the Wiemar Republic, and the Nazi Regeme had also won medals in addition to the unified teams of the 1950's. Courcelles (talk) 14:18, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - Makes sense; worded better now IMO. Kees08 (Talk) 21:04, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you think anything here is worth adding? Seemed significant. Kees08 (Talk) 09:40, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Would be hugely important in United States at the 1968 Winter Olympics if anyone ever added any prose to that article, but here? I think I could find something special to say about every gold, making me worry about calling out this one specifically as being undue weight. (I might be oversensitive, as an American, towards any overly focused comment son the US...) Thoughts? Courcelles (talk) 14:18, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - I do not think an overwhelming number of accidents have happened in history where the top athletes in a sport were killed in an accident. I think that would make the comeback pretty notable. I understand your point, especially in international articles it is best to tread lightly, but I think it would be fine here. If you still do not agree, that's fine, I can cross off the comment. Kees08 (Talk) 21:04, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - Added the crash and the medal, but did not mention it being the only US gold medal. Courcelles (talk) 21:12, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Kees08:. Responses above. 14:18, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Kees08:, repinging since my timestamp only post likely didn't ping you. Courcelles (talk) 20:25, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Courcelles: Replied back Kees08 (Talk) 21:04, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Kees08: Try it now. Courcelles (talk) 21:12, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Perfect. I will run through the article later and make sure everything else is good (like sources) and then support the nomination. Kees08 (Talk) 21:16, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Kees08:, just wanted to hear your final thoughts. Courcelles (talk) 22:37, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - I do not think so. It seems weird to not have a little description for each of the events, but I suppose it is a list and that's how lists go. I spot checked a few wikilinks to verify they went to the right pages. It also seems weird to have almost all the sources come from Sports Reference, but I do not think there is a requirement for variety of sources? Anyways, switched to support since what I just said are observations and not actionable comments. Good work! Kees08 (Talk) 20:59, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 13:30, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"sports and disciplines" could pipe to the actual Winter Olympics section of the target article.

Done. Courcelles (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"13 medals of all colours" never keen on this, why not just "13 medals in total"?

Fixed Courcelles (talk)

"alpine skiing" is piped to a redirect.

Fixed Courcelles (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"pictured here in", no need for "here".
Not all captions have that either, so I would either add it to them all, or drop it altogether...

Just dropped, IMO, it doesn't add much value, it is obvious they are later photographs.

Are the variations in names from our articles (e.g. Aleksandr Tikhonov vs Alexander Tikhonov) as a result of the sources being used?

Yep, my source says "Aleksandr", not Alexander. Courcelles (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I always thought we should just be using the "upright" parameter on these kinds of images, the 250px force is making them all different widths...

Done. Courcelles (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some sections without images, e.g. Bobsleigh could use the contemporary image of Eugenio Monti?

I actually considered that image carefully, but notice on Commons it is listed as non-PD in the United States, meaning it is headed for an eventual deletion. Courcelles (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It might be nice in the lead to note the surprising fact that three of the speed skating events ended with multiple silvers being awarded due to two- or three-way ties.

Done. Courcelles (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This could even be added as an external link, it's quite comical seeing the three silver medallists standing on the same step on the podium...

Added. Courcelles (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There's some interesting tidbits in this source that may embellish the lead beyond its current form.

Unfortunately, it says that I'm not allowed to access that book? Courcelles (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise nothing to complain about. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:00, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, @The Rambling Man:, responses inline. Courcelles (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support there was nothing fundamental in the book you can't access, presumably geographical restrictions. My concerns addressed, good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:30, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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