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Pirates of the Caribbean: Armada of the Damned

Featured article candidates/Pirates of the Caribbean: Armada of the Damned/archive1

Nominator(s): — ΛΧΣ²¹ 02:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Armada of the Damned is an action-adventure role-playing video game, developed by Propaganda Games based on the Pirates of the Caribbean film franchise. It takes place well before the events of the films, and was the first attempt to create an open-world Pirates game. Sadly, Armada was cancelled just several months shy of its intended release date. However, a lot of information about this game exists so I was able to craft this nice mid-sized article about it. It took me five days to finish it and take it from what it was to what it is now. Hope you enjoy reading it. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 02:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from JDC808

Support

I did some copy-editing throughout. I changed some tenses and such since the game was canceled. If you disagree, let me know. --JDC808 ♫ 03:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm okay. I was confused whether to use past or present, so I'm good either way. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

~~IGN is no longer owned by News Corporation. They're owned by Ziff Davis Media now.~~ --JDC808 ♫ 03:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed. How did I miss that... Thanks! — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:14, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the one disambiguation link for you. I don't see anything else. Nice article. On a side note, I was really looking forward to this game (as I'm a big fan of the films) and was disappointed when I heard that they canceled it. --JDC808 ♫ 04:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. I raged a lot when it was cancelled :( — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Status

"An early gameplay screenshot of Armada of the Damned." → Not very convincing of a caption. The description page does more for me, with: "The first official screenshot for the game Pirates of the Caribbean: Armada of the Damned". — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I have improved it. Thanks! — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:47, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Much better. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 05:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Great article! — Statυs (talk, contribs) 05:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How much of the game was actually complete when it was cancelled? Nergaal (talk) 05:59, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I wish I knew. I guess we'll never know, sadly. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 06:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Crisco 1492

Image review:

File:Pirates of the Caribbean Armada of the Damned.png looks {{PD-Text}} to me.
File:AOTDScreenshot.jpg needs to be much smaller to pass fair use. I'd suggest maximum 300px wide.

Reduced now to 300px wide. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Prose review

Addressed comments by Crisco 1492 moved to talk

- ~~A couple issues still present,~~ and I'd like to see David's issues with representation of sources dealt with before I support. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:13, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Support now that David's issues are dealt with. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:15, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by David Fuchs

Oppose, per 1c.

Images

File:Pirates of the Caribbean Armada of the Damned.png - this could be shrunk significantly to be lower rez without impinging on legibility.
- That image is likely PD-Text, as mentioned above. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:55, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

Source refs all look to meet reliability and quality standards. However on doing some spotchecks I found some issues with referencing:
- The player was to take the role of James Sterling, a pirate captain whose main mission was to travel across the Caribbean Sea and make a reputation for himself. - small thing, but ref 2 doesn't mention his first name.
  - My bad, the first name "James" is mentioned here. Added the ref. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:34, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- More concerning, the references to the same ref later on in the section don't cover all the prose, ~~such as Land combat was similar to most western role-playing games, focusing on real-time combat rather than turn-based gameplay. (IGN mentions only Fable).~~
  - I read that somewhere. Though, I removed it until I can get the ref back in place. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~According to game director Alex Peters, Armada of the Damned's character development was very different than the film series. isn't directly stated in ref 9.~~
  - This line was rewritten when it was copyedited. Its original meaning is that Armada's characters were developed unattached from those who appear in the film series. I have rewritten the sentence to match its original meaning. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:42, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~Although the studio used Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 to develop Turok, it is unknown which engine was used for Armada of the Damned. is not verified by the two sources used in the same paragraph.~~
  - Yeah. This is an assumption of mine, given that no source explixitly stated which engine was used, but it is known that Turok was developed with Unreal Engine 3. What should I do? Put a ref to "Although the studio used Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 to develop Turok"? or deleted it all? — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:42, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Nevermind. I just added a ref to support the first part (Turok using UE3). Gonna see if I can find, by miracle, the engine used on Armada, though I doubt it (I would have already found it). — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:49, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - I was unsuccessful. No source states which engine was used. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 16:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        I think it's kind of odd to say "it's unknown", because that's essentially using the absence of sources to prove a statement. I'd remove the line about the game engine entirely. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:10, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Okay, I removed it :) — ΛΧΣ²¹ 22:56, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would recommend going through the entire article again to double-check for issues like this, though I believe it is likely to be the biggest issue in the gameplay and development sections. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:35, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I am going to check the references again and fix. I must have misplaced some references here and there, and I may have added text that is true but not verifiable, so it might have to be removed. I'll do this tomorrow. Cheers. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 00:57, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Darkwarriorblake

Overall an interesting read, a shame there is not more information about it. There are two repeated links in the article body, in the Development section "action adventure" and "roleplaying" are duplicated from the gameplay section. My biggest gripe is that not of the references are archived, so inevitably the article is going to become unreliable as sources die off. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:36, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will archive them soon. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 16:13, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from New Age Retro Hippie

I'm not actually participating, but I must note that I feel the image used in the article's body doesn't make me feel more "educated" about what I'm reading. Is there a better screenshot that can be used? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:56, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate comments

I think any outstanding points above can be resolved post-FAC if necessary -- tks all. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:59, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 05:02, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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