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The article was promoted by FrB.TG via FACBot (talk) 23 December 2024 [1].

Paul Hunter

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Nominator(s): Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about one of the most talented snooker players of all time, who died sadly far too young. The previous FAC closed due to lack of responses. As ever, I am happy to answer any questions you might have. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments from BennyOnTheLoose

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I will try and do a fuller review later, but a few points for now. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ref formatting is inconsistent, e.g. some newspapers linked, some not. Some names not in lastname, firstname format. Ref 42 is lacking most details and is in all caps.
  • The CueSport book pages cited are for Steve Davis, not Paul Hunter. Should be pages 555 to 557. The source only covers up to the end of 2003–04, not the 2004–05 or 2005–06 seasons.
  • We haven't always been consistent about whether to include qualifying tournament wins in "Career finals" sections. I'd lean towards omitting the Scottish Masters Qualifying Event.
  • Unlike every other source, I think we avoid using "beat" (for defeated) in the text.
  • "the eventual champion Stephen Hendry" - can be "the eventual champion Hendry".
  • "Mark Williams" - can be Williams after the first mention, and perhaps doesn't need the second wiki-link.
  • Other players also currently have their full name after the initial mention, e.g. Peter Ebdon, Matthew Stevens.
  • "Hunter gained entry into the prestigious invitational Masters tournament." - I don't think "prestigious" is suported by the sources cited. Might be easier to find a source that says it is a "triple crown" event, instead.
  • "Fürth Grand Prix in 2004, which was later renamed in his honour, winning the final 4–2 over Matthew Stevens" - reorder to put the win before the renaming?
  • "in 2007, the amateur English Open tournament was renamed the Paul Hunter English Open" - looks from Turner's site like it was a pro-am tournament from 2007.
  • Yeah, well the sentence says that the amateur English Open event was renamed (which happened in 2007). I think we'd be confusing the fact if we explained that it also became a pro-am. The important bit is that it wasn't a professional event that changed name in my eyes. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Isn't there more that can be said about his appeal to the public, public image, playing style etc? Looks like the broadsheet obituaries have some coverage of these kinds of aspects.
Hi Lee, how are you doing with this? Gog the Mild (talk) 14:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! So I did look through quite a few obituaries, and they seem to all just go through the paces of his career. Quite a few mention that he was popular by the media. The only thing that really stood out was a piece on him being caught running through Blackpool beach naked.
this source says he was snookers first 'pin-up'. the Guardian talks about his good looks the independent says about him being "snooker's answer to Posh and Becks" and this source says about his talent and that he "transcended his chosen pursuit to achieve celebrity status". I'm just struggling a bit to put this into a coherent section.
I can't find anything at all about his actual style of play. Most items just say about how talented he is, and how he made centuries, but not how he played. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does any of this help? "With his easy. fluent style and ponytailed or braided blonde hair, it was easy to see him as Snooker's golden boy ... He became a hero for clubbers, carousers and ravers who recognised him as one of their own [although he realised] there was an imbalabce between his pursuit of pleasure and devotion to his craft" (Clive Everton, "Paul Hunter: Denied His Golden Future", Snooker Scene, November 2005, page 4). Willie Thorne said "He lit up the stage when he played. He was a very flamboyant player".("Tributes", Snooker Scene, November 2005, page 7) "Throughout his all-too-brief career, Hunter was defined by snooker and the manner in which he handled its inevitable ups and downs. ... Hunter never questioned a refereeing decision and he never publicly complained about playing conditions or his opponent's luck. He played the ball as it lay." (Phil Yates, "Heartfelt tributes as man with the golden smile is mourned", The Times, 10 October 2006, page 80). Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for this. I've added a bit to the "legacy" section. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rodney Baggins, I hope you don't mind a ping. As you've been heavily involved in getting snooker articles to FA status, I wondered if you had any views you could share on the Legacy section in particular or on the article in general. (I think the content of the Legacy section isn't far off but I feel like perhaps the prose could be omproved - as you know, that's not my forte! Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BennyOnTheLoose: No problem, thanks, I'm looking at the article now and will put some comments below for Lee Vilenski later today. Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lee, there's a page about Hunter in Brendan Cooper's Deep Pockets: Snooker and the Meaning of Life (2023) if you can get hold of it, but probably nothing essential that isn't already covered in the article. The 2001 Masters final and his 2003 Crucible semi-final are both included in David Hendon's Snooker Scene's 50 Classic Matches ebook with a bit of commentary, but again nothing that I'd say is a real omission. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Guided by Jimmy Michie and Johnson, Hunter made his professional debut in July 1995 at age 16" is a bit close to the source's "Guided by two seasoned snooker professionals — Jimmy Michie and the former world champion, Joe Johnson — young Paul made his professional debut in July 1995 when he was 16." but might be OK per WP:LIMITED
  • Refs 2 and 58: I can't see Sadie Gray as a byline for "Paul Hunter (obituary, page 1)". I can't see a byline on the scan of the printed version either.
  • Ref 5: wouldn't we noramlly credit the interviewer (Donald McRae)
  • I don't think that Hunter's middle name is referenced. The Telegraph obit would do for that.
Hi BennyOnTheLoose, how is this looking now? Gog the Mild (talk) 18:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can still see several duplicate links which are probaly not required, and repeated full names rather than surname. (e.g. " Matthew Stevens" four times in the Masters champion (2001–2004) section. A couple more points below. I'll have a proper look after seeing what Rodney Baggins has to say below. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:40, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've covered as many of the duplinks and over names as I could find. :) Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:29, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi BennyOnTheLoose, now that Rodney is finished with their review, would you be able to take a look again? FrB.TG (talk) 22:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EG

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I'll leave some feedback later. Hopefully I'll have comments before the end of the week. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look :) Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lead:
  • Para 2: "In his memory, a tournament in Fürth, Germany, was renamed the Paul Hunter Classic and, in April 2016, the Masters trophy was renamed the Paul Hunter Trophy." - Not really an issue, but I find it interesting that you give the date when the Masters trophy was renamed, but not when the classic was renamed.
  • Para 2: "Following his death, Hunter was posthumously awarded the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Helen Rollason Award." - Either "Following his death" or "posthumously" is redundant, since "posthumously" means "after death". (Also, the sentence repeats "award" twice; I'd probably just go with "Following his death, Hunter received the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Helen Rollason Award.")
Early life:
  • "Leaving school at 14" - To further his career?
More in a bit. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
EG ? Gog the Mild (talk) 14:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I forgot about this. I was really busy last week, and I have an eye doctor's appointment later today, so I will return for more comments tomorrow. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Early life:
  • No comments here.
Early career (1995–2000)
  • Para 1: "world number six" - I know this means the sixth-highest-ranked player in the world, but it sounds somewhat informal (especially if you're using this or similar terminology in the article for the first time). Is there a way to reword this?
  • Para 1: "the last 16" - Similarly, I would clarify what this means, since it's the first time you use this particular terminology.
  • Para 1: "docked the entirety of the ranking points" - Why not just "docked all of the ranking points"?
  • Para 3: "successfully qualifying by defeating Euan Henderson." - I think "successfully" may be unnecessary, unless it's possible for him to have unsuccessfully qualified.
More in a bit. Given what I've seen so far, the rest of the review shouldn't take too long, so I apologize for the delay thus far. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers, I've covered the above. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As promised, the rest of the review.
Masters champion (2001–2004):
  • Para 1: "After winning the championship, Hunter claimed he had sex with his fiancée when he trailed 2–6 between sessions, which had caused him to play significantly better" - I know you definitely didn't mean this, but for some reason I imagined Hunter having sex with his fiancee while he was literally holding the cue and losing 2–6, rather than having sex between sessions. Perhaps this could be "he had sex with his fiancée between sessions when he trailed 2–6".
  • Para 2: The second through fourth sentences all begin with the name "Hunter". I suggest changing at least one of these to a pronoun.
  • Para 3: "The BBC later broadcast the highlights of the match in place of the 2020 World Snooker Championship when the event was postponed because of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom." - Presumably the 2020 championship was postponed, so I would instead say "that event".
  • Para 5: "The event was later renamed in his honour" - Out of curiosity, was that event renamed posthumously?
  • Para 5: You use both "2004–05 season" and "2004–2005 season". Could this be made consistent?
Later years and illness (2005–2006):
  • Para 2: "which would be his last professional match" - I'd change "would be" to "was". Though WP:WOULDCHUCK is an essay, I would only use "would" if we were talking about a conditional statement (as I'm doing in this comment), or if the article briefly "jumps" to a future date before returning to the current timeline. Neither of these situations is the case here.
  • Para 3: You use "2006/2007 rankings" and "2006–2007 season", which should probably be changed as well.
Death:
  • No comments.
Personal life:
  • Para 2: Out of curiosity, when was that memoir published?
Legacy:
  • Para 1: "then non-ranking" - This should be "then-non-ranking", as the word "then" modifies "non-ranking" and thus, is a single phrase that should be hyphenated. (This might even be appropriate as an en-dash per MOS:ENBETWEEN, i.e. "then–non-ranking", but I'm not going to split hairs over that.)
  • Para 2: "In 2006, Hunter was posthumously awarded the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Helen Rollason Award – his widow Lindsey accepted the award on his behalf" - I think it may be more appropriate to use a semicolon instead of a dash, since these are two full clauses rather than an interruption of existing text, but that's just my preference and not a requirement.
  • Para 3: "11 year" - Similarly that should be "11-year".
That's it on my end. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note

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While I realise that this nomination has attracted a fair amount of commentary, it is more than three weeks old and is showing little sign of garnering a consensus to promote. Unless there is a significent change to this by the week four point I am afraid that the nomination is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a word. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Serial

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I'll look in in a couple of days if that's OK Gog. Although you might wax a little sardonic at my recent interpretation of 'a couple of days' ') SerialNumber54129A New Face in Hell 20:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moi! Sardonic? Surely some mistake. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Years later, the BBC later broadcast...". Don't needs both laters, and match is repeated unnecessarily. Since the year is also stated, "In 2020, the BBC broadcast the highlights alongside other memorable matches in place of that year's [[World Snooker Championship..." etc. SerialNumber54129A New Face in Hell 13:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose review by Generalissima

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That's all from me! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Crisco

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  • Is Alan Hunter worth a redlink?
  • At a young age, Hunter played alongside his father, Alan, and won many amateur junior events including the England Doubles Championship aged 14 alongside Richard Brooke - Alongside ... alongside
  • His form that season elevated him to 12th in the 1999–2000 world rankings resulting in automatic qualification into the final stages of ranking tournaments for the first time,[20][21] a position he retained for the 2000–01 season.[21] - Feels like there needs to be a comma after "rankings". Perhaps "His form that season elevated him to 12th in the 1999–2000 world rankings, resulting in automatic qualification into the final stages of ranking tournaments for the first time.[20][21] He retained this position for the 2000–01 season.[21]"
  • He reached the quarter-final stage or better in six tournaments the following season: he was a runner-up at the 2001 Welsh Open - Are these the 2001-2002 season? If the 2000-01 season, the sentence "He retained this position for the 2000–01 season." would actually work well as an opener here (with Hunter instead of He)
  • Despite leading by six frames, he won only one of the remaining nine, and lost 16–17.[39] The BBC later broadcast the highlights of the match in place of the 2020 World Snooker Championship when that event was postponed because of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom.[40][41] Despite the loss, he earned a place in the world's top eight in the 2003–2004 world rankings for the first time in his career, having been ranked number nine for the previous two seasons.[21] - The sentence "The BBC later broadcast the highlights of the match in place of the 2020 World Snooker Championship when that event was postponed because of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom." comes across as a non-sequitur, since Hunter had died years before COVID. Also, I'm not sure this COVID reference is really WP:DUE for the body; feels like footnote material.
  • Making five century breaks in the match,[42][43] the match was voted as one of the best matches of all time by Eurosport in 2020.[44] - Hunter made the breaks, but the subject of this sentence is "the match". I'd recast this as "However, Hunter won the final three frames to win the match, making five century breaks in the match;[42][43] the match was voted one of the best of all time by Eurosport in 2020.[44]"
  • On 6 April 2005, Hunter announced he was suffering from malignant neuroendocrine tumours in his stomach, a rare disease, the cause of which is unknown - Spotchecking this, I don't see Hunter and his announcement mentioned.
  • He slipped from 5th to 34th in the 2006‍–‍07 rankings.[21][55][59] Hunter admitted he played worse than the previous year and confirmed that he had been in continuous pain - Perhaps "Slipping from 5th to 34th in the 2006‍–‍07 rankings,[21][55][59] Hunter admitted he was playing worse than the previous year and confirmed that he had been in continuous pain."
  • On 27 July 2006, the WPBSA confirmed, following a members' vote, the organisation's rules would be changed to allow Hunter to sit out the entire 2006–2007 season with his world ranking frozen at 34 - You used "confirmed" in the previous sentence. Perhaps "Following a members' vote, on 27 July 2006 the WPBSA announced that its rules would be changed to allow Hunter to sit out the entire 2006–2007 season with his world ranking frozen at 34."
  • He intended to devote the year to treatment for his cancer - The most recent subject was "WPBSA"
  • On 26 December 2005, Lindsey gave birth to a daughter. - The phrasing makes it seem like Hunter wasn't involved. Unless there was questioned paternity, I'd make the familial relationship explicit. Also, two sentences does not generally a paragraph make... perhaps merge this with the following?
  • Instead, the then-non-ranking German Open in Fürth was renamed the Paul Hunter Classic in his honour; a tournament first won by Hunter - "a tournament first won by Hunter" is not a full sentence. Perhaps "Instead, the then-non-ranking German Open in Fürth – a tournament first won by Hunter – was renamed the Paul Hunter Classic in his honour." — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you! I am happy to support.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Rodney Baggins

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Lee Vilenski, I've had a good look through this article today and have many comments. As usual, I've been very thorough (at best) and extremely picky (at worst). How do you want me to play this? Rather than throw everything at you, shall I just put my main concerns down first and then drip-feed other queries per section? I have several suggestions for improved wording – would you like me to run those past you or make direct copyedits for you to keep an eye on? Rodney Baggins (talk) 17:01, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never have an issue with you (or anyone else) copyediting the articles. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:24, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, here are my main points for you to address...

General:

No, I mean [User:AlH42] might have a script for it ;) Rodney Baggins (talk) 16:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No need for a script. Just use search and replace.  Alan  (talk) 16:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • All pipes to world rankings (by season) are redirected. Obviously these still pipe to the right place, but there's no point piping to a redirect – if you're gonna pipe, at least pipe to the correct link, e.g. [[Snooker world rankings 2004/2005|ranking]] > [[2004–05 snooker world rankings|ranking]] in lead section. Also [[Snooker world rankings 1999/2000|1999–2000 world rankings]] > [[1999–2000 snooker world rankings|1999{{nbnd}}2000 world rankings]] in Early career section, plus a few others.
  • Benny has questioned whether to use the word 'beat' and I agree it's not a great word, but it's sometimes a useful alternative to 'defeated' to avoid repetition, also 'eliminated' is another one you can use.
    I quite like "best(ing/ed)", they should all be gone now otherwise. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:28, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I hate "best(ing/ed)" but it's your call. Rodney Baggins (talk) 00:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Convention for player names is to put the full name when player first appears in each NEW section, then just surname if it appears again in SAME section (where unambiguous). I noticed you've pulled out the full names in the legacy section, where I feel they should all be stated in full per this unwritten rule.

Lead:

Early Life:

What earlier comment? Don't see any repetition. "playing with" has unwanted connotation. Rodney Baggins (talk) 00:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Early career (1995–2000):

  • "Due in part to this performance" implies something else that's not mentioned – is it worth mentioning?
  • [[Snooker world rankings 1999/2000|1999–2000 world rankings]] > [[1999–2000 snooker world rankings|1999{{nbnd}}2000 world rankings]]
  • 2000–01 season isn't linked in last para
  • "quarter-finalist at the Grand Prix and China Open" just has general tournament links – better link to the actual events? [[2000 Grand Prix (snooker)|Grand Prix]] and [[2000 China Open (snooker)|China Open]]

Masters champion (2001–2004):

  • Section title imples that he was Masters champion continuously through from 2001 to 2004, but he wasn't. Maybe should be "Three-time Masters champion (2001–2004)" ?
  • "defeated defending champion" > "eliminated the defending champion"
  • "Hunter claimed he had sex with his fiancée between sessions when he trailed 2–6" > "Hunter claimed that he and his fiancée had had sex during the mid-session interval when he was trailing 2–6"
  • "He was only the third player to retain the Masters" > "He was only the third player to successfully defend his first Masters title" (equivalent to Crucible Curse?)
    • Whilst what you've said is also true (well, he'd be the second - Thorburn won the title two years before he successfully defended it), the further implications is also true. Hendry and Thorburn were the only two to successfully defend the title before Hunter. The fact Hendry did it four times isn't the point! The only other person to defend it was O'Sullivan in 16/17. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:13, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still think "retained the Masters" is ambiguous and needs clarifying. Are you just saying he's one of the only players that won it in consecutive years? Rodney Baggins (talk) 00:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's right (at the time at least). Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 00:17, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Rodney Baggins (talk) 00:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a problem. Rodney Baggins (talk) 00:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Later years and illness (2005–2006):

Ok, I'm just a bit anal about things like that! Rodney Baggins (talk) 00:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death:

Personal life:

Yes, that's OK then. Rodney Baggins (talk) 00:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy:

  • Any particular logic to the order you've presented the fellow professionals? I'd like to see them in alphabetical order (per surname). Also, I tend to think their full names are needed here, more appropriate/formal in context, esp. as they are appearing for first time in new section (see above).
Yeah, ok. Rodney Baggins (talk) 00:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think those are the main points (I can also make some minor edits/corrections of my own and tidy up the prose a bit for you). Plus, I've noticed a few ref errors, so I'll put my source review comments here tomorrow morning. Rodney Baggins (talk) 00:29, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review
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@BennyOnTheLoose: Thanks for that – is there any chance you could find a clipping for ref.11? Yates, Phil (4 February 1997). "O'Sullivan holds nerve for victory – Snooker". The Times. London. p. 49. Rodney Baggins (talk) 17:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rodney Baggins unfortunately not. I access The Times Digital Archive through a library subsciption and publishing a screenshot would probably be a breach of the terms of service. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the Chris Turner refs, best use 'website=Chris Turner's Snooker Archive' and don't bother with the additional author param, which just looks a bit longwinded and repetitive imo.
  • Strangely, if you open up ref.55 (RTÉ cancer diagnosis) you see that the date is 14 June 2007 which is after he'd died. It's clearly been updated, so I think an orig-date param would be useful here to clarify. (orig-date=6 April 2005 |date=14 June 2007)
For Eurosport archiving I have been using Ghost Archive.  Alan  (talk) 16:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lots of other niggly little fixes I can do for you, such as making sure all refs have a work param, some missing params, etc.

Sorry for being late to the party and for putting extra work on you so close to Christmas... ;) Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:16, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My Christmas! Nah, that's cool. I always appreciate your comments. If there's anything small, you can always clean up, but I'll address the above as soon as I can. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:11, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've made a lot of replies above, but in short, I've covered all of the wording changes. I tend to need a bigger screen to make the remaining changes, so I'll do them as soon as I can. What's left: fixing duplicate links, changing to {{nbnd}} and the world rankings links, and a little bit of ref formatting. I think I've covered everything else Rodney Baggins. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, nearly there. I've been trying to tidy up the Legacy section a bit, still not sure about the first paragraph though (will dissect it tomorrow). In the meantime, I've noticed something weird with the section structuring. Death is not part of his career so should not be a subsection of it. Legacy is not really part of his Personal life. I know you're trying to layer it and make connections, but I think just have all three as separate sections (in the order: Death, Legacy, Personal life) unless you can think of any better way of structuring it? Or maybe, at a pinch, 3. Death (new section) and 3.1 Legacy (subsection) then 4. Personal life (new section)? Rodney Baggins (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
→ Lee, it appears that Death and Legacy used to be a combined section until Jan 2022, when an unregistered IP separated the two and was unchallenged (I might have challenged at the time if I'd noticed). See this diff. Suggest one section called 'Death and legacy' might solve this, followed by short Personal life section? Rodney Baggins (talk) 08:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that does make more sense. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski and Rodney Baggins: What's the current situation here? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 00:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to see an archive for the Eurosport citation (ref.42) and I'm still not sure about the two Daily Mirror sources (55 & 73), but apart from that (and pending a bit more tidying on my part over the weekend), it's a Support from me. Rodney Baggins (talk) 08:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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