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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via MilHistBot (talk) 03:19, 21 September 2014 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Oriental Film

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Nominator(s):  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a fairly unproductive film corporation, even for the 1940s Dutch East Indies, but one which spent money as if it were going out of style. Oriental was only open for a little over a year, but it brought Fifi Young and her husband Njoo Cheong Seng to film, and helped a few prominent stage actors/singers start their film careers. This has had a great GA review by Seattle and a non-formal PR by SchroCat. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image check - all OK.

Source review - spotchecks not done

Support Review from Cliftonian

Lead

  • Why not put the wikilink on Batavia rather than Jakarta?
  • Dhalia? What an excellent name.

Establishment

  • "the film industry of the Dutch East Indies – which had been severely weakened by the Great Depression" recommend rewording to "the Dutch East Indies film industry", as the present wording could be understood as saying the Indies in general had been severely weakened, but I think we mean the industry specifically
  • Again, I would personally put the link on Batavia, piped, and then say now Jakarta. (this is what I do in the similar case of Salisbury/Harare)
  • We use "brought on" twice in close succession. Recommend redrawing

Productions

Closure and legacy

  • Looks good to me.

Infobox

  • Not sure we need to say "fate: dissolved" as directly below we have "defunct: 1941". Perhaps merge the two under one or the other.
  • Don't need to link the Dutch East Indies thrice.
  • Not sure we need to say both that it was a film company and that its products were motion pictures.

Well done and engaging. Good job. —  Cliftonian (talk)  13:08, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, one comment I'm happy to support this. I wonder about the use of the term "lower class" throughout the article; "working class" or "low-income" would be less value-loaded Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • In the Indies, the "upper" class (the nobility, or priyayi) generally ended up working as well... in administration, or in other areas which required an education. Also, the original "kelas bawah" doesn't carry the negative connotations and value judgments as "lower class" (or, even worse, low class). However, low-income would probably be a reasonable compromise, and has been included here. Thanks for reviewing! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just a handful of minor points - these are suggestions for the most part, so you have my Support whether you choose to implement them or not:

  • "For the film, a love story set in Timor starring Young as the title character, Oriental used bright, extravagant costumes, Njoo gave the characters whimsical names which would not be found in the setting" Second clause should be separated by "and" or a semicolon.
  • "Rather than shoot on location – which would have been prohibitively expensive – Oriental constructed sets behind the ANIF Studio" and other similar sentences: maybe use {{spaced ndash}} instead of  -?
  • "Both women, teenagers at the time, had previously established stage careers..." It's not clear here whether their stage careers were previously established, or they had previously gone through the process of establishing stage careers. Doesn't make much difference to the meaning of the sentence, but it's a bit unwieldy.
  • "After Pantjawarna, Fred Young drew Njoo and his wife to the newly established Majestic Film" - worth a redlink to Majestic Film?
  • "The films targeted low-income audiences and extensively used kroncong music, for the recording of which the company established the Oriental Novelty Five." Oriental Novelty Five? Or perhaps a few more sentences of information about them somewhere in the article?
  • "Fifi Young, who continued acting for Njoo until their divorce in 1945, appearing in more than eighty films before her death in 1975." Surely, "appeared in more than eighty films"?

Overall, very interesting article - thanks for the read! Yunshui 雲水 09:18, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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