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The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 23:10, 23 January 2010 [1].

On the Banks of the Wabash, Far Away

Nominator(s): —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 01:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because after significant research, several copy edits, and a successful GA review, I feel this article now meets the FA criteria. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 01:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

I am confused by "Theodore Dresser" in the lead. Was this his real name and "Dreiser" a nom-de-plume? It's not relevant to the main thrust of this article, but since you've brought Theodore in, a brief explanation is necessary.
- Paul changed the spelling of his last name to Dresser to Americanize it. I thought it was a bit off topic so I just stuck with the original spelling in the article. I've made a footnote for this. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Composure and popularity" heading. "Composure" is wrong word here, should be "Composition"
- Fixed —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"and published it in fall" - needs to be "the fall"
- fixed. - I changed it to the month. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"chained dollars": you need to include in his article some reliable source which provides the justification for this method. The link to a Wikipedia article is not sufficient
- There is nothing in the sources that adjust the dollar amount for inflation, I thought it might be useful to the reader though. I have removed it. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Re Theodore: "parts of the song's content reflect his writing style." Which parts have the sources identified?
- I added a line pointing out what the source says as a connection. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are "Indiana" and "Back Home Again in Indiana" the same song?
- They are, I attempted to shorten it to "Indiana" to make the sentences less wieldly when I was coming it "Wabash". Do you think I should just use the full title? Or perhaps put (Indiana) after my first mention of the song? —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Foreign language sources (No. [20]) should give the language, in this case presumably Swedish
- Done —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Notes show citations to "Loving" and "Lovering", sources list just "Loving"
- Fixed, Loving is correct. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A couple of image points (this does not constitute a full image review)
- File:Wabashsheetmusic.jpg: Described in the infobox as "Sheet music cover 1897". In the image description the year is 1898.
  - I do not have a copy of the sheet music cover, only some photos in my books. The date of the images is not listed, but I presume (but am not certain) that the year would be 1897 I will change them both to be "c. 1897". —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Paul_Dresser,_1897.jpg: Is the source the same sheet music as depicted in the earlier image? The publisher's name and location should be given.
  - I have fixed this as well. I made a copy off a reprint in a book. I have noted that as well. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Brianboulton (talk) 00:31, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Source comments Everything fine. RB88 (T) 02:20, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question I was doing some research on JSTOR to check the comprehensiveness of this article and I came across about 20 articles that mention this song. Have you read these? One looked quite interesting - it had a lot more details about copyright than are contained in the Wikipedia article. Awadewit (talk) 02:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No I have not read those articles, but would be interested in doing so. The majority of the article is based off two book , one with a whole chapter dedicated to the song, and information available from the Indiana historical society and Indiana historical bureau. There was a significant fight over the plagerism, but it fizzled out and never really got anywhere. I made a search of JSTOR but didn't find anything that looked promising or as useful as the sources I already had. Could you give me a link? —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 02:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've skimmed the 23 hits. Here are ones that I thought would be the most relevant. Let me know if you would like me to send them to you:

Danish Emigrant Ballads and Songs. By Rochelle Wright and Robert L. Wright. Carbondale: Southern Illinois University Press, 1983. - Explains that Danish songs were influenced by "On the Banks of the Wabash"
Lisa Gitelman, "Reading Music, Reading Records, Reading Race: Musical Copyright and the U. S. Copyright Act of 1909", The Musical Quarterly Vol. 81, No. 2 (Summer, 1997), pp. 265-290 - Copyright of the song
Barry Maine, "U.S.A.: Dos Passos and the Rhetoric of History" South Atlantic Review Vol. 50, No. 1 (Jan., 1985), pp. 75-86 - How the song was used in newsreels
Gayle Sherwood, "Questions and Veracities: Reassessing the Chronology of Ives's Choral Works" The Musical Quarterly, Vol. 78, No. 3 (Autumn, 1994), pp. 429-447 - This indicates that Ives wrote a parody of the song, but says nothing about it. Have you found any other information about the parody?

I hope this is helpful. Awadewit (talk) 03:09, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first one looks like it would be useful for expanding the adaptations section. The others sound only marginally so. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 15:39, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You've read them? The one on copyright has some interesting information not in the article and the one which mentions its use in newsreels is a good example of how the song was used and contains an explication of the song's lyrics. Awadewit (talk) 17:18, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No I haven't yet. I am sorry, I was just judging by the titles you gave me. I will try to read over them all this evening and see what I can glean. Thanks for the info though! —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 22:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry, I should have been clearer when I posted the list - I've actually read these, so I know there's useful info there. :) Awadewit (talk) 23:49, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I checked them out, but unfortunately I do not have a JSTOR account, so all I can read is the first pages. I've also checked my library catalog and these books are not available there either. I have checked out a few other places, like google scholar, but and finding the same situation where I can only view the first page. The sources I have go into more detail on the copyright fight between Dresser's estate at the plagiarizers, I could expand it if you feel the article is lacking in that area. 02:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I do have access to JSTOR, so I can send them to you, if you want. Let me know. Awadewit (talk) 03:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you can, I would appreciate it. Can you do it by email? —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 05:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, just email first. I can't attach documents to Wikipedia emails, but once you email, I can reply with the attachments. Awadewit (talk) 15:56, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support having previously reviewed and copyedited the article. Great job again! Reywas92^Talk 23:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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