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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by FrB.TG via FACBot (talk) 26 November 2024 [1].

Labyrinth (Taylor Swift song)

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Nominator(s): Ippantekina (talk) 07:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a song by Taylor Swift, arguably the biggest pop star right now. She has loads of chart-topping hits, but this one, "Labyrinth", is not one of them. It's a lesser-known entry in her oeuvre, but it knocked me sideways after maybe the 4th or 5th listen and now ranks among my favorite Swift songs. For a song article, I believe this is well-researched, comprehensive, and well-written. I'm open to any and all comments :) Ippantekina (talk) 07:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ceoil

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Placeholder. From a scan last night and read through today, the article is very well written and the music and production is well and informativly described. The article is appropriately concise, and the sourcing seems fine. Leaning support. Ceoil (talk) 15:24, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As an update, will be supporting this article as per above once the reception section flows better; it seems very jumbled atm, tying to gather thoughts to articulate concerns (and making light edits). For one thing there are way too many slight quotes (eg "airy") that could be paraphrased. Ceoil (talk) 12:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Ceoil, I'm looking for ways to improve the flow of the "Critical reception" section. Ippantekina (talk) 03:44, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ceoil: how does the section read now? Ippantekina (talk) 09:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ceoil, do you fancy relooking at Reception? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking better; much tighter. One thing am confused about is most of the first para in the sections seems to be about the production of the music, while the third is about the fx layered on the vocals...yet the quotes in the 3rd para seem to go back to praising the sound again, not the vocals. Ceoil (talk) 20:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ceoil: hey! I designed the 3rd para as a collection of mixed/less-than-positive reviews. Let me know if it makes sense :) Ippantekina (talk) 02:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thanks. Support Ceoil (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Media is appropriately justified, but are there any images that could be added? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:06, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking of adding a photo of Swift performing on the Eras Tour, but it might not be directly related to prose.. Ippantekina (talk) 04:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heartfox

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  • In the infobox one studio is given as Brooklyn and another New York City, but aren't these the same place?
  • ""Labyrinth" peaked at number 12 on the Billboard Global 200" → "Billboard Global 200 singles chart" would help clarify for readers unfamiliar with this term
  • "In the Associated Press" → Maybe "For" or a rewording would work better as Associated Press doesn't feel like something written "in" like a newspaper or magazine
  • I would try to paraphrase more quotes in the critical reception section

Best, Heartfox (talk) 02:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, Heartfox. I've replied above, let me know if there are any outstanding concerns :) Ippantekina (talk) 05:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. If you are interested, I do have a current FAC open. Heartfox (talk) 19:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator comment

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Nearly four weeks in and just the single general support. Unless this nomination makes significant further progress towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gog the Mild: with Ceoil's support I think we can extend the timeline now? Ippantekina (talk) 14:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can indeed. I have added it to Urgents and requested a source review. How are you doing with your thoughts of "adding a photo of Swift performing on the Eras Tour" or not? Gog the Mild (talk) 15:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still think it doesn't make much sense as a photo as such is not directly relevant to prose. Ippantekina (talk) 16:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Medxvo

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  • Citations 3 and 4 are repeated for two consecutive sentences in the first paragraph of the background section—WP:CONSECUTIVECITE, WP:REPCITE
  • "her sixth concert tour, the Eras Tour" - "her sixth concert tour, the Eras Tour (2023–2024)"
Shouldn't the tour dates be specified as well? I think adding the dates would prevent any confusion as the tour could have been extended to 2025 but without performing the song again... ? This is probably nitpicky but thought we could discuss it. Medxvo (talk) 08:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can't really see any other prose issue. Good work! Medxvo (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

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  • "Republic Records released Midnights" - which part of the source supports this?
  • The Sentinel source has a subscription access
  • The Sydney Morning Herald has a limited access
  • Why Associated Press News instead of Associated Press?
  • Some sources would need to be archived such as refs 25 and 58
  • Capital FM - probably just Capital
  • I'm pretty sure there are several high-quality sources to add instead of Seventeen

Medxvo (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Should be done except the Sentinel source which I can still read normally? And the Seventeen source is purely for lyrics' citation so I think it should be fine. Thanks for the review! Ippantekina (talk) 04:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Sentinel shows me a "This content requires a subscription! $1 for 3 months" message ...?
    "She tries to control her anxiety; "Breathe in, breathe through, breathe deep, breathe out"—this lyric references Swift's 2022 commencement speech at New York University"—This is already being supported by the Vox source so I'm not really sure why are even using Seventeen? There are several high-quality sources that also supports this, like this one and this one. Medxvo (talk) 08:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Medxvo: that's weird because I can still read the Sentinel piece, maybe depending on geolocation? Anyways, for the rest I've addressed your points :) Ippantekina (talk) 03:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aoba47

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  • I would avoid the repetition of "some" in this sentence: (Some were also fond of the lyrical sentiments, but some others found the vocal production insubstantial.) This could be avoided by removing the second instance as it is not necessary.
  • I would clarify what is meant by "shortly after" in this part, (its title and cover artwork were released shortly after via social media), as it is rather vague. Does it mean the same day, the following day, sometime that week, etc.?
  • Since produced is linked in the lead, it should also be linked in the first instance in the article for consistency.
  • In the "Background and release" section, the final two sentences of the first paragraph have repetition (i.e. "The album's track listing was revealed ..." and "The title of "Labyrinth" was revealed ..."). I would change one of two instances of "revealed". There is a similar repetition in the second paragraph of the same section (i.e. "Upon the release of the album, 'Labyrinth' peaked ..." and "The track peaked at number 14 ..."). I would suggest avoid using "peaked" in the same way for two sentences in a row.
  • For this part, (recorded the song at Rough Customer Studio, Brooklyn, and Electric Lady Studios, New York), why is a specific area in New York City given for one of the recording studios and not the other (i.e. the more specific "Brooklyn" versus the more general "New York")? I was a bit confused by this as the more specific location for Electric Lady Studios is known.
  • I was curious about this part, (this lyric references Swift's 2022 commencement speech at New York University), so I checked the citations. Both sources say that Swift quotes the song lyric in the speech, but the article seems to say the opposite by describing Swift as referencing the speech with the lyric.
  • These two sentences seem a tad repetitive: (Many critics considered "Labyrinth" a successful experimentation. According to Ryan, it shows "the best of her previous pop experiments".) I wonder if there is a way to revise this to avoid this repetition of "experimentation" / "experiment" as it makes it appear to repeat the same point twice.
  • This might just be me, but for the "Critical reception" section, I would avoid placing citations so that they cut off a single word as I think that it hinders readability. I am specifically referencing the citation placements for Sheffield and Pappis.

I hope that this review is helpful. I would not want to see this FAC archived due to lack of activity so even though I am taking a break from Wikipedia for a bit, I thought I should try to help. My comments are focused entirely on the prose. Please let me know if you have any questions. I will look through the article a few more times after everything is addressed.

Just as a quick aside, I agree that a photo of Swift performing on the Eras Tour would not really make much sense for this article (unless of course, it is one of her performing the song). I could possibly see a justification for including an image of Jack Antonoff to the "Background and release" section since he is a major contributor to the song, but that may not be necessary either. Aoba47 (talk) 02:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoba47: Thanks for your prose review! I have addressed your points accordingly, let me know if anything remains. And I don't think a photo of Antonoff adds value to this article given he produced the whole album and not this particular track anyway... Ippantekina (talk) 04:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for addressing everything. I agree with your assessment about the Antonoff photo. I was most just offering it as a suggestion due to the above conversation about images. I do not think this article needs an image. I will also leave the above source discussion up to you, but from a prose perspective, I support this FAC for promotion. I always appreciate seeing song articles in the FAC process. Aoba47 (talk) 17:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Query

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@Gog the Mild:, hey can I open a new FAC at this point? Ippantekina (talk) 14:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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