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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Karanacs 19:35, 28 October 2010 [1].

Killer7

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Nominator(s): Axem Titanium (talk) 20:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I feel that it meets the FAC criteria. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, taking a read through.

Hope this helps. J Milburn (talk) 14:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources comments: I reviewed the sources at this article's August FAC. Several issues were satisfactorily resolved; I left a couple of reliability issues open for further discussion. Both of these have been replaced in the current version. I can only find one little consistency nitpick (which I missed last time round): Ref 45 shows a volume no. for Nintendo Power and no date, while ref 38 shows a date but no volume number. Both refs show "pp." instead of "p." for a single page. Otherwise, all refs and citations look OK. Brianboulton (talk) 18:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out. I standardized all the print references because I just discovered that I like cite news better than cite journal (is a video game magazine really a "journal"?). Axem Titanium (talk) 22:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marking as placeholder. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 20:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry for the wait, I've been hustling some projects. Anyhow, leaning support:
    • It occurs to me we should explain why the heck there are Japanese characters right by the name, something like "Killer7 (known in Japan as キラー7 Kirāsebun)" or something.
      • This is the same debate about whether Japanese (or foreign) video games should have a mention of their name in the original language, if they mean the exact same thing. Kirāsebun is literally just Kirā = killer, sebun = seven. I honestly don't care either way on this issue. I'll add "known in Japan as" if it makes you happy. Axem Titanium (talk) 01:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The player controls the on-screen character" --> If you're going to refer to the "player character" later on, you need to make it clear to the readers that the on-screen and player character are the same.
    • The placement of the final sections seems odd. The legacy section sums up the ending bits nicely, including discussing the release of a comic book and soundtrack, then it talks about them again. Perhaps moving these up would help?
      • Perhaps your input on this decision would be helpful. I considered moving "Music" and "Comic book" up to a large heading called "Related media" which would be directly below "Development", leaving "Legacy" as a third level heading under "Reception". However, the problem is that that leaves the Hand in killer7 book and the figurines without a nice place to stay. There's not enough info to justify an intro paragraph to the "Related media" section, so it'd just be two dinky little sentences. It might also leave the legacy paragraph a little on the short side as well. Axem Titanium (talk) 01:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • The plot section seems like it could be trimmed, coming off a little too "blow-by-blow" and impinging on readability.
      • Where are some problem spots you could identify? Killer7 is divided into semi-contained chapters and my intent with this section was to condense all the less relevant chapters into the first paragraph and focus only the two main-plot-relevant chapters (the other three paragraphs). I trimmed some sentences that weren't critical to overall understanding including... (see below). Axem Titanium (talk) 01:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "an IEC spy had stolen the Yakumo" so this mention and all subsequent mentions are talking about the piece of paper? Why's this so important, exactly?
      • It's not. I removed instances of the IEC spy subplot. Axem Titanium (talk) 01:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • What about "However, an assassin posing as Fukushima's secretary kills him first in an attempt to reclaim the Yakumo for the Liberal Party"? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 16:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'd say leaving it in is easier to justify than omitting it, because otherwise, the assassin kills him for no explained reason. It's important to the backstory because it sets the events of the game in motion, but how exactly it does this would be way too complicated to include in the article. I tried to allude to its importance and establish its desirability in the Setting section ("The UN Party owes its success to the Yakumo") so I could mention it later as a motivation for killing Fukushima. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
            • My issue is that I don't understand why you have to reclaim the Yakumo... is this plan secret or something, and that's why? The motivation isn't clear. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 18:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
              • The "Yakumo Cabinet Policy" is a document that was devised by Toru Fukushima, who is the President of the Japan section of the UN Party. (The Japan section essentially rules and controls the UN.) He made the document after a number of nuclear missiles were fired at Japan from an unknown location. He is hoping that the document will convince the US to use their Fireworks anti-missile defense system and destroy the missiles before they hit and wipe out Japan. While Toru is explaining this to Harman Smith, Toru's assistant, Julia Kisugi, shoots Toru in the head. It turns out that Julia is an assassin sent by the minority Liberal Party of the UN to retrieve the Yakumo document. The Liberal Party wishes to overthrown the ruling majority Japanese UN party and, to do so, they need Japan to be destroyed, which is why they want to make sure no one uses the Yakumo to convince the US to save Japan. Does that clear things up? SilverserenC 18:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
                • I added a bit more about why the Liberal Party wants it. Does that help? Axem Titanium (talk) 19:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
                  • I understood the part you amended before. My query remains: why steal the Yakumo? The document itself? Was it never copied? Is it secret? Is that why they have to physically claim it? Or is it just that they want to reclaim the principles or something intangible? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
                    • As far as I know, I believe it was the only copy of the document. And, with the death of the person who wrote it, there's no chance of another one being made. Even if there are other copies on, say, a backup drive or somewhere, it is doubtful that it would be retrieved in time for it to be shown to and convince the US to help before the missiles were timed to impact. In all likelihood, even if other copies exist, stealing that copy and killing the writer effectively dooms Japan. SilverserenC 17:53, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
                      • Yeah, the game isn't super clear about that issue but it seems to be one of very few copies that exist and the principles detailed inside are not widely known outside of the UN Party leaders. Also remember that the Internet doesn't exist in this world so free flow of information is thwarted. I tried to emphasize the secret nature of the Yakumo in my latest edit. Axem Titanium (talk) 00:07, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 00:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please see MOS:COLLAPSE, the article has collapsed content. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:13, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm using {{track listing}} which specifically has a parameter that deals with collapsing. Since it's fully protected, I'm assuming that virtually all aspects of it have been discussed (7 archived talk pages) and have achieved consensus by Wikiproject Albums. Also, the MOS guideline says "Collapsible sections may be used in navboxes or infoboxes, or in tables which consolidate information covered in the prose" (emphasis mine). The content of the album is already covered in prose in that section and the collapsed tracklist consolidates the minutia (i.e. the names and lengths of every track). As for accessibility concerns, the template documentation notes that those without Javascript will just see the uncollapsed version. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:09, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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