Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Holidays (Meghan Trainor song)/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by FrB.TG via FACBot (talk) 11 January 2024 [1].

Holidays (Meghan Trainor song)

Nominator(s): N Ø 20:09, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ho ho ho! And the "ho" is for "Holidays", of course. This is a Christmas song by Meghan Trainor. One of those unique Trainor songs not to receive negative reviews. The credit probably goes to featured artists Earth, Wind & Fire, though, considering critics could not stop comparing it to their other work. Thanks a lot to everyone who will take the time to give their feedback here and Merry Christmas :) --N Ø 20:09, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Media review (pass)

the images are licensed appropriately. Suggest alt text to the image of the bow. The audio sample has an appropriate FUR and meets WP:SAMPLE. Pseud 14 (talk) 20:26, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just added the alt text.--N Ø 13:04, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ChrisTheDude

Comments

"horn bleats in its production" - bleats links to sheep#vocalisations, where nothing about music is mentioned. Is this really an appropriate link?
"most of the work for the album was done in "July and August"" - don't think it's really necessary to present the last three words as a quote, given that it's only three words and is a simple statement of fact which couldn't be paraphrased anyway
"Ray Brown plays horns orchestration" - "horns orchestration" isn't an instrument, you can't play it. It means he arranged the horn parts played by Ross, Artope, etc
"She wore a nitid bodysuit" - never seen the word "nitid" before, what does it mean?
Note doesn't need a full stop
That's it, I think - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: - Many thanks for the review, all done! I was hoping you might enjoy this one since some R&B/soul chart juggernauts are involved :) N Ø 13:04, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

For Citation 21, (i.e. the Pressparty source), I would use the press release template. It would more clearly inform readers that this source is a press release, and it would just be best in general to use templates that best match the sources. I believe the same comment would apply to Citation 23, (i.e. the Contactmusic.com source).

I do not see any clear indication the Contactmusic.com source is a press release. Am I missing something?--N Ø 09:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For whatever reason when I first looked at the source, it read like a press release to me, but since it is not clearly marked as such and it is published by an online magazine, it is likely just a case of me over-thinking it. The current citation structure should be fine. Aoba47 (talk) 17:17, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A Very Trainor Christmas should be linked in Citation 5 (i.e. the citation for the album's liner notes).

I was advised against doing this in a previous SR, so I believe it is best to avoid this except on articles with an inordinate amount of liner note citations.--N Ø 09:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's fair. Thank you for the explanation and the link the the source review. I can understand the concern about linking the album in the liner notes. Aoba47 (talk) 17:17, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that almost all of the coverage is from 2020. That's not an issue as it is understandable that the coverage may be restricted to when the song was first released. I have tried to do a quick search for any citations beyond that time period, and I did not turn up with much, although it doesn't help that the song's title is so broad. Although it has a silly title, this Parade source has a good positive review of the song that may be worth incorporating into the article.
The citations are high-quality and appropriate for a music-related article. Everything is structured appropriately, aside from the brief comments that I have above. I have done a brief spot-check, and the information in the citations I have checked matches the sources. The citations also include the information being sourced in the article.
This is not really part of a source review, but I just do not really see the value of File:Golden Bow.png, especially when the infobox image shows Trainor wearing bows. Feel free to ignore this because like I said above, this is outside of the purview of a standard source review so it may be best to gauge how other reviewers respond to this image.

I hope that this review is helpful. I think it is always best to get the source review done earlier in the FAC process whenever possible. I will look through the article again after you have addressed everything. Apologies for not doing a more in-depth review. I have not looked at the prose, and I am limiting my review to just the sources (aside from my stray image comment at the end). I hope you are doing well and having a great December so far. Aoba47 (talk) 20:24, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Aoba47, thanks for the great find with the Parade source! I have addressed everything accordingly. I hope your month is going great as well :) N Ø 09:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the response and kind words. I hope you are having a great month so far. Everything looks good to me. I understand the rationale for not linking the album title in the liner notes citation, and the citation structure for the Contactmusic.com source is appropriate as is as it was just a case of me of over-thinking it. This FAC passes my source review. I hope you have a happy holidays! Aoba47 (talk) 17:17, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support from NegativeMP1

This was my first time reviewing a featured article candidate, and I saw no issues within the prose of this article. The only thing I question is if the usage of File:Golden Bow.png is truly necessary as somewhat pointed out by Aoba47, especially when she is already shown wearing a bow in the songs promotional poster. Whether or not you personally think it is necessary is your call, but nonetheless it's still minor enough to the point that it won't stop me supporting this candidate. NegativeMP1 21:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Honored to be your first FAC review :) I hope you like it and decide to stick around.--N Ø 09:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from QoH

I'll reserve a spot here. First FAC review, so no guarantee it'll be competent, but I'll try my best. Queen of Hearts ❤️ (she/they 🎄 🏳️‍⚧️) 19:24, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Excited for it! Queen of Hearts--N Ø 20:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, I thought I already did this. Very good work as always, here are my very minor complaints that honestly might just be stylistic:

Lead and background

"Trainor wrote the song with...and its producer, Mike Sabath." IMO, "and Mike Sabath, who also produced the song" flows better, but up to you and might add lexical ambiguity.

Composition

Should "Sabath", "Benjamin", and "Bailey" be expanded at their first mention? Probably stylistic; up to you.

Either way; neither of these are dealbreakers, and I am happy to support. ^Queen of _Hearts 04:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for rescuing this flopping nomination from weeks of inactivity! Sabath, Benjamin, and Bailey are first mentioned in the Background section with their full names. Much thanks for stopping by.--N Ø 08:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pseud 14

Hopefully not too late to the party. I have very little to add as I think this is already a solid article and have been reviewed by other editors much earlier than I did.

In September 2020, Trainor announced the album title as A Very Trainor Christmas -- I think this is the first instance in the article prose, so it should be worth linking.
The lyrics of "Holidays" are about celebrating the holidays and having a party -- May I suggest using a different for the holidays? Hopefully there is some better alternative ;)
Perhaps worth linking music video in its section

This would cause an overlink from the Background section.

I overlooked that bit in the earlier section. My bad.

That's about all I got. You've capped 2023 bringing great music articles to FA, can't wait to see what's next. Happy New Year and hope all is well! Pseud 14 (talk) 17:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review and the very nice message! I have been listening a lot to a Filipino-American artist who is nominated for several Grammys this year. I expect you might enjoy my work on her stuff later this year :)--N Ø 18:48, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I’ve listened to a few of Olivia’s songs and her music is great and I think you’re doing good stuff on her body of work. Can’t wait to see those in the FAC space. Btw, if you have time or interest, would love your comments on a current FAC. Understand though if you’re in some sort of wiki break. Also best of luck and early congrats on being part of FTC. Pseud 14 (talk) 18:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Query for the coordinators

@FAC coordinators: Would appreciate permission to open another one and an update on this whenever you have some time.--N Ø 00:30, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead. I’ll look at this nom very soon. FrB.TG (talk) 17:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, FrB.TG! Turns out I don't have anything ready, welp. I hope your week is going well.--N Ø 13:10, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. FrB.TG (talk) 15:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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