Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Allan Walters/archive1
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Allan Walters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Nominator(s): Ian Rose (talk) 07:51, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
First FAC in almost a year, and I don't see why everyone else should be having all the fun... ;-) This fellow had an action-packed career after he transferred to the Air Force after graduating from the Royal Military College, Duntroon: a top aerobatics pilot prior to World War II, and leading a fighter wing into combat over northern Australia at the ripe old age of 37. Plus he gets the sympathy vote by twice missing out on getting the RAAF's top job... Any and all comments welcome! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:51, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support My comments (now on this nomination's talk page) have now all been addressed: great work with this article Ian. Nick-D (talk) 08:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Many tks for suggestions and support, Nick. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Images I've tweaked one or two to use the PD-1996 tag to ensure US public domain status; however, File:AllanWalters1954a.jpg does not have a US copyright tag nor would PD-1996 apply. An alternative licence is needed. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 15:44, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks for that, Grandiose. Given this image was the subject of a recent review resulting in it being kept, can I get your take on the alternative licence? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:52, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- (The reply on that review isn't signed, but I shall proceed on the understanding that it is you.) I believe {{PD-AustraliaGov}}{{PD-author|the Government of Australia}} with a brief note and a link to the file review or the one above it. (PD-1996 is still better in the case of pre-1946 works, in my opinion.) Licencing will then be fine. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:37, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Had a stab at it. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- (The reply on that review isn't signed, but I shall proceed on the understanding that it is you.) I believe {{PD-AustraliaGov}}{{PD-author|the Government of Australia}} with a brief note and a link to the file review or the one above it. (PD-1996 is still better in the case of pre-1946 works, in my opinion.) Licencing will then be fine. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:37, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sources review: No major issues:
- Refs 28, 41, 42: should the name "Odgers" be included in the links (as it is in 29, 33, 38)?
- All links working. Refs appear to be of appropriate quality and are properly formatted. Brianboulton (talk) 21:22, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks Brian -- Odgers citations standardised now. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "this resulted in the wing's commanding officer sending": You know the drill.
- I'm sure I should but may need prompting -- I remember casting this sentence two or three different ways... "as a result, the wing's commanding officer sent", or "this led the wing's commanding officer to send"...?
- Of those, I like "as a result ...". - Dank (push to talk) 12:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sure I should but may need prompting -- I remember casting this sentence two or three different ways... "as a result, the wing's commanding officer sent", or "this led the wing's commanding officer to send"...?
- Support on prose per new standard disclaimer. - Dank (push to talk) 00:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Many tks Dan. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:19, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Comments - fantastic article as usual. I only have a couple of (very) minor comments:
- Is it known when the Walters family moved to Perth?
- "An early age" is all the ADB says. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I figured as much, but thought I may as well ask! :) Abraham, B.S. (talk)
- "An early age" is all the ADB says. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The article states that Walter's commission in the RAAF was made permanent in 1930, yet there is no prior mention of the commission being either short service or temporary.
- Hmm, that's true isn't? I believe everyone started off with a short-service commission as a matter of course. Not sure that any source mentions that re. Walters specifically but if I can casually work in something about the general policy, I will. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The Duntroon graduates were initially seconded, rather than transferred permanently -- I realise now I took the word "secondment" out in a recent reword. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 16:03, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmm, that's true isn't? I believe everyone started off with a short-service commission as a matter of course. Not sure that any source mentions that re. Walters specifically but if I can casually work in something about the general policy, I will. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "He returned to Richmond to lead No. 3 Squadron, operating Demons, from May 1938 until May 1939." - for some reason the repetition of "May" bothers me. How about "He returned to Richmond to lead No. 3 Squadron, operating Demons, for twelve months from May 1938." Only a (very) minor suggestion, so up to you.
- Heh, let me think... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I've come up with another solution... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 16:03, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks good. Abraham, B.S. (talk)
- I've come up with another solution... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 16:03, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Heh, let me think... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Is it known why Scherger gained the appointment of CAS over Walters and Hancock?
- Ah well, if ever there was a shoo-in for CAS, it was Scherg -- frankly I'm not sure why they bothered considering alternatives unless it was to give the appearance they were making a tough decision... ;-) Again, should be able to find something that mentions he was always on the cards for the top job, it's more how to work it in -- but I can try! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Done -- didn't even have to go looking for the stuff I had in mind, it just happened to be in the source I was already using. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 16:03, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah well, if ever there was a shoo-in for CAS, it was Scherg -- frankly I'm not sure why they bothered considering alternatives unless it was to give the appearance they were making a tough decision... ;-) Again, should be able to find something that mentions he was always on the cards for the top job, it's more how to work it in -- but I can try! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I also made a slight tweak to the wording in one place. Feel free to revert if unhappy with it. :) Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 10:26, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- No prob -- tks for review, Brice! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- My comments have been addressed, so I am happy to support. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:22, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Graham Colm (talk) 15:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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