Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Notes on a Conditional Form/archive1
I am nominating the album Notes on a Conditional Form by the 1975 to become a good topic. The album, its singles and its songs have all been brought to Good Article status over the past year. Thank you to all the dedicated Wikipedians who helped review the album and its songs: Bilorv (who also brought "The 1975" to GA status), K. Peake, SNUGGUMS and HĐ! Representing the final chapter in the band's Music For Cars era, the lengthy experimental album blends orchestral pieces with electronic instrumental tracks and traditionally-structured songs. This magpie approach polarised critics; some viewed it as the 1975's masterpiece, while others found it too unfocused. Despite the strong reactions, the album was included on numerous year-end lists.
CommentsSupport:There are a number of articles in this topic where chart positions need to be written out in the body since they are mentioned in the lead, also make sure refs are always in numerical order but in general,these articles are highly detailed with a heavy amount of work put in and I feel so proud to have been among the reviewers! --K. Peake 16:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: I've gone through and added chart positions within the prose. Thank you for all your support! Giacobbe talk 18:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- (CA)Giacobbe Thank you for getting to work on it, but you missed "The Birthday Party" and the refs need to be ordered as requested. --K. Peake 18:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: Whoops, forgot about "The Birthday Party", good catch! Regarding the order of the refs, is that more personal preference or is there a GA criteria that I've missed? As far as I can tell from this, "Mistakes to avoid" includes: "Requiring that footnotes be listed in numeric order, if multiple citations are named after a sentence." Giacobbe talk 19:12, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- (Slightly involved) support: I got the opening track to GA and reviewed two of these GAs. I have quite a lot of subject knowledge in this area (an attempt to make "I'm a fan of the band" sound more impressive) and it does look like all of the notable songs from the album are included, and that all of the GAs are up to scratch. There should be a space before and after the slash in "Nothing Revealed / Everything Denied". — Bilorv (talk) 17:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you Bilorv for the support and your contributions to the topic! Giacobbe talk 18:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Let's go trougought each source
Mucrack is not reliable, if you find the article(s) he wrote I would like to see it. I dugged deeper into David Hayter, The guardian says this Every week we invite a reader to share with us some of the songs they've been listening to recently, reader is diferent from journalist. Sony Music? You mean a label, really? Doesn't get more bias than that. Lindkin is not reliable, good for finding stuff (like a seach engine) you need to back that stuff up with reliable sources, in this case the articles.
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- Support: I added a link to the first occurrence of "Tonight (I Wish I Was Your Boy)" in the main article. It's got the album and all the singles and other notable tracks at GA, and there doesn't appear to be a tour, video, or other related topic that ought to be here, and it's all joined by the band's navbox and various supercategories. Seems to tick all the boxes! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 20:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Bryanrutherford0: Thank you for the support! I appreciate you linking the song
Giacobbe talk 21:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Bryanrutherford0: Thank you for the support! I appreciate you linking the song
- Support looks complete to me with the parent album and each song article all being GA-level. A job very well done, and I must tip my hat to you for your dedicated efforts on the band's pages (including those out of this topic scope)! SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the continued support, and your review of "Jesus Christ 2005...", SNUGGUMS! Giacobbe talk 15:11, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support - It is great to see stellar-quality music content again, in a time where the bar has been lowered so much. A really great, well-researched set of connected articles.--NØ 15:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the kind words and show of support, MaranoFan! Giacobbe talk 15:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Another Comment I also noticed that WP:Sample is not respected in some instances. On "Tonight (I Wish I Was Your Boy)" the lenght is 26 seconds for a song that has 4:07 of lenght, the maximum allowed is 24 seconds. On the article "Notes on a Conditional Form", the sample of "What Should I Say" should have a maximum of 24 seconds, on the same article the sample of "Roadkill" should have a maximum of 17 seconds. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- "Tonight (I Wish I Was Your Boy)" has a length of 247 seconds, 10% of which equates to 24.7 seconds (automatically rounds to 25), so I'll trim off accordingly.
- "What Should I Say" has a length of 246 seconds, 10% of which equates to 24.6 seconds (automatically rounds to 25), so I'll trim off accordingly.
- "Roadkill" has a length of 175 seconds, 10% of which equates to 17.5 seconds (automatically rounds to 18), so there's no need to change. Giacobbe talk 18:07, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- In this case, it's better to round down because that won't exceed 10% of a song's duration. One should avoid having overly long samples whenever possible. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- The sample does not exceed 10% of the duration. 17.5 seconds is the allowable sample, which it is. Should someone download it for any reason, that is what they would see. Could clarify that in its fair use rationale, though. Giacobbe talk 20:06, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- (CA)Giacobbe I do agree with SNUGGUMS on this one, better not to exceed, even if its 0.5 seconds. Let me know once you address this issue and the ones above regarding the websites, there are still two concerning. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- I think the point is that it's not exceeding 10% by 0.5 seconds—the file is 17.5 seconds (10% dead on) but this is displayed within our internal pages as "18 seconds" (as that's the correct rounding to the nearest integer). But the audio itself (which is what the criterion applies to) is not more than 10% of the song length. — Bilorv (talk) 19:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- In this case, it's better to round down because that won't exceed 10% of a song's duration. One should avoid having overly long samples whenever possible. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Bilorv, that is what I was trying to express. Giacobbe talk 20:46, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- (CA)Giacobbe Have you addressed the samples reduction and the sources (411 mania and Banquet Records)? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I have. Giacobbe talk 11:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- (CA)Giacobbe Have you addressed the samples reduction and the sources (411 mania and Banquet Records)? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Since you seem to have address all my concerns. Nicely done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 07:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, MarioSoulTruthFan, for the support! Giacobbe talk 15:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - GamerPro64 00:35, 16 May 2021 (UTC)