Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Ethnic groups

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Ethnic groups

Majoka

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Googling "Majoka" "tribe" -wikipedia, I find nothing relevant. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. UtherSRG (talk) 00:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups, Punjab, and Rajasthan. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The article on this topic on Urdu wiki seems pretty extensive, but mostly unsourced. Furius (talk) 13:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to look in google books for details, but very few sources. Maybe non-english sources are there. Asteramellus (talk) 19:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not many sources available, e.g. tired google books. Asteramellus (talk) 20:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Paul-mcdevil (talk) 14:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Paul-mcdevil (talk) 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nomination. - Ratnahastin (talk) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Urartian people

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WP:EXTENDED might be required due to Wikipedia:General sanctions/Armenia and Azerbaijan. Article creator does not have extended confirmed status.

Potentially WP:FRINGE sources. For example, with respect to this claim According to the migration-mixed hypothesis of Armeni ethnogenesis proposed by I. M. Diakonov, the Urartians, along with the Hurrians and Luwians[2], gradually adopted the Indo-European, Proto-Armenian language.

In The Oxford Handbook of Ancient Anatolia: (10,000-323 BCE), pp. 537-538:

According to one theory, the self-designation of the Armenians, hay , goes back to the earlier * hātiyos, “Hittite.” This is conceivable only on the assumption that masses of Proto-Armenians settled in one of the Neo-Hittite states, perhaps Melid (Diakonoff 1984 :125–27).

From self-designation to what is mentioned above is quite a jump.

Also uses massively outdated sources such as belonged to the Armenoid race of populations, which cites a source from 1957 Bogazicili (talk) 17:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was also reviewing the page at the same time, and was about to remove that last claim. We don't do "scientific racism" here.

More to the point, the topic of Urartian people (as in, the Urartian-speaking ethnic group, partially overlapping with but distinct from the population of Urartu) is very likely notable, but holy crap that article needs a rewrite. It is not clear whether WP:EXTENDED automatically applies (as the article might fall under the second point rather than the first), so my first choice would be keep, but rewrite to at least remove the WP:FRINGE material. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much all the sources seem fringe though. The earlier "theory" has a source from 1983. I didn't even read what's in the link, since my browser is giving a security warning for that page. There are no high quality WP:Secondary sources. No peer reviewed journal articles. Bogazicili (talk) 17:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An article about Urartians or Urartian people is missing in English-language Wikipedia. But it needs to be written WP:RS. Wikipedia:Competence is required might also be relevant here. Bogazicili (talk) 17:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups, History, and Armenia. Shellwood (talk) 17:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shellwood, why wasn't it listed under Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Turkey?? Bogazicili (talk) 13:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - article sufficiently demonstrates WP:N. Archives908 (talk) 22:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but potentially keep it seni-protected. Bearian (talk) 11:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I did a major clean-up, I don't think its as problematic now. The article can be improved with this chapter, accessible through Wikipedia Library. Bogazicili (talk) 14:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don’t judge too harshly, I took the information for the article mostly from the Russian Wikipedia. Marquis2425 (talk) 15:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also took the sources from there, their information and sources were outdated. I never intended to harm Wikipedia or violate the rules. Marquis2425 (talk) 15:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This does seem to require extended confirmed status. See: Administrators noticeboard topic. Bogazicili (talk) 15:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, I can’t write until I have an extended verified status? Marquis2425 (talk) 19:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can, just not about some (not all) Wikipedia:Contentious topics, most notably Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Armenia-Azerbaijan and Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Arab–Israeli conflict. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Article has enough WP:N Codonified (talk) 22:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Specific and detailed analysis of sources would be helpful in attaining a consensus; there are a good number of comments thus far that offer an opinion, but either don't give a rationale or are extremely vague.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Topic is certainly notable. In it's current state is not so POV or outdated that WP:TNT applies. Eluchil404 (talk) 00:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Guite people

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This is a clan of certain Kuki-Chin language speaking tribes. It is a well-known clan, but not notable in any other way. We don't have any other pages devoted to such clans. The topic doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG. Kautilya3 (talk) 23:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups, Asia, Myanmar, Manipur, and Mizoram. Kautilya3 (talk) 23:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it just needs a rename or move. Bearian (talk) 18:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep seems to have several references, but mostly offline, so it's not super clear if they are tangential or not. I could not find much online, but a subject expert may have more success establishing notability. I think the best route is to give this article some time to see if notability can be more clearly established. The information in this article may also be able to find a home at Paite people. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The nomination statement itself already says that 'it is a well-known clan'. Why delete an article about a clan that is known and has no any other existing article on it?. Runmastery (talk) 05:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because it is all folklore and no authentic sources are available. Kautilya3 (talk) 09:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Article seems to be well-referenced, a source review would be helpful to see whether they help establish notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- unless someone has a good merge/move proposal. And again... the existence or non-existence of other pages has no bearing on deletion (or not, for that matter).MWFwiki (talk) 00:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics has been notified because the sources need review by a WP:GSCASTE expert. At a glance, at least four of the 22 references are from the colonial era and are categorically unreliable; another is undated and contains a YouTube link that is probably irrelevant. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User Ratnahastin (talk · contribs) also identified Lalthangliana as unreliable because it is not peer-reviewed. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 02:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I tried searching for ဂွီးတဲ ဂွေးတဲ etc and found only a couple hits listing the clans of the Zo people, like this article, this government site or in lists/last names on Facebook. Of course, the lack of a modern facebook group for Guite people isn't indicative of GNG, especially since the Chin use the Latin script and there are some other sources in English I could google. But given what others have said above about the sources, the clan might not be as "well-known" as purported. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 22:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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