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Masahiko Nakahira

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No source was found either within the article or outside the article that meet notability. 日期20220626 (talk) 01:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There's some coverage in this, a RS [1], but it's not enough coverage for an article. That's all I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 02:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Anime and manga, and Japan. CptViraj (talk) 03:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Silver (performance artist)

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Man got wrote up in local papers a few times--this is not enough for notability by our standards. Drmies (talk) 22:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

note: This article was created ten years ago, WP:PRODded, and recently undeleted as a result of user interest at Wikicurious: Editing Wikipedia for Beginners @ Civic Hall; it was just undeleted, and as far as I know no one had time to add anything from the past 10 years to it, nor has the person who asked for its undeletion seem to have made any changes to it yet. I've added a few links just now but I imagine there are more, as he is still getting coverage, both local and national. Was there a lack of WP:BEFORE? Tduk (talk) 23:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There certainly is a lack of clarity in the history, and a paucity of decent references in noteworthy publications. BTW NONE of that is very clear from the history, and I'm wondering if User:GiantSnowman wouldn't have done better to restore it to draft space. As for BEFORE--well, a Google News search really gives no reason to believe this is a notable subject. Drmies (talk) 01:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to draftify. Giant Snowman 19:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This article was essentially just 12 hours old when it was nominated for deletion. And the editor who requested undeletion (User:WillStopUrThemeSong) hasn't even had a chance to expand it yet (disclosure: I was with Tduk at the same edit-a-thon event and also encouraged the user to do this, they appear to be a perfectly good faith editor who knows about secondary sources etc. and thought they existed). This nomination seems premature - a notability tag and an encouragement to the restoring editor to make sure they get to improving the article would have been better. (Maybe this is an argument to have restored the article to draft space first, but eh, given that it was in the mainspace before and prods are overturned on essentially any objection, I think the direct restoral to mainspace is fine.) See Wikipedia:Don't demolish the house while it's still being built. SnowFire (talk) 23:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- SnowFire, the history does not reflect that. Drmies (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - My statement is correct. The article was formerly at Matthew Silver and was deleted for 10 years from 2014-2024, you can see this in the logs. If you had clicked on WillStopUrThemeSong's contributions, you could see User_talk:GiantSnowman#Matthew_Silver_Article_Restoration where WillStopUrThemeSong requested undeletion so the article could be expanded. Wikipedia isn't a job, it's completely unreasonable to expect that a user requesting this kind of undeletion be ready to pounce within the hour on the article after undeletion to make the desired upgrades and expansion - it's out of a requesting user's hands when precisely the deleting admin will restore the prod. Hypothetically someone requesting undeletion of a prod could have FA-level, perfectly cited content available, but them not editing it in immediately on a Sunday doesn't mean anything. SnowFire (talk) 01:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Also, on the "12 hours" part - GiantSnowman restored at 06:41 UTC, and you nominated for AFD at 18:48. That simply isn't enough time, especially when the requestor has not made an intervening edit. Like I suggested above, if you thought the article was still deficient, a notability tag would have been a more reasonable way to express this concern, which would allow the requestor time to actually update the article. SnowFire (talk) 01:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: With the links Tduk added, I feel this is a WP:GNG pass now with enough significant coverage, including some national. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 23:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The most recent link was a "know your meme" link from 2017. Drmies (talk) 01:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I added some more recent sources; really I was trying to do as little work as possible as this article was revived as part of an editing event, and I wanted it to be used as to encourage a newtime editor and educate on how to bring an article's quality up. Tduk (talk) 02:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Seems he's still an artist [2], but that doesn't prove notability here. The sourcing used in the article is about what I can find, the Rolling Stone piece being the best one. Interesting bit of local history, but I don't see GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 03:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Entertainment, New Jersey, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could this article be Draftified? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Could be draftified, but still leaning towards delete, because even if it is draftified, it may still not meet WP:SIGCOV; the sources still do not seem to independent and reliable enough, based on RS Noticeboard Archives. Prof.PMarini (talk) 10:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Describing someone as "a man who runs around NYC in his underwear saying and doing radical things" covers at least 8-10% of the city's population, and the numbers are often much higher during the summer. Any particular underwear-based street-performing radical-saying individual would need more in-depth reliable and verifiable sources than what's listed in the article. Alansohn (talk) 12:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've added even more sources. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 16:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Matthew Silver is a well-known artist and is covered by major media. His street performances and media presence meet wp:p standards for notability. Yakov-kobi (talk) 08:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I feel that with the more recent, less local sources, which are about him specifically, the article is more substantial than when it was nominated. Tduk (talk) 11:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. My previous comment was more procedural that the article should have had more time before being AFD'd, so on the merits... I think Bsoyka's additions suggest that this is certainly on the keepable side. Maybe running around in underwear is silly, but if the press sees fit to write it up, that's still meeting WP:N, and Rolling Stone shows this isn't just local papers (but local papers count too!). SnowFire (talk) 14:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No consensus here yet.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The current version of the article shows sufficient coverage by secondary sources, in particular Rolling Stone producing a documentary short. BrightVamp (talk) 23:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found this too [3], I don't know if it changes my !vote. Still not convinced. Oaktree b (talk) 00:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Does not meet any WP:ARTIST standards like "important figure," "widely cited by peers or successors," or "been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums." A few of the references do not support WP:GNG, like the citation to the user-generated site "Know Your Meme," where the entry[4] on this topic describes itself as "currently being researched & evaluated! You can help confirm this entry by contributing facts, media, and other evidence of notability and mutation." Other sources are largely either local, WP:ROUTINE, or WP:ONEEVENT of getting detained by security. I've been trying to find some justification for how this might almost scrape by WP:GNG, but even if so, GNG is "not a guarantee that a subject merits its own article." Elspea756 (talk) 04:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]