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Beykoz Arena

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No indication this stadium proposed more than 10 years ago was ever built. Google search returns a place of the same name which hosts pigeon racing. The club which supposedly will have a home at this stadium plays elsewhere, and according to their page here, have only played amateur competitions since 2011. C 679 04:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sandy Hook, Indiana

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A spot NE of Jackson Pond where the road goes one way and the railroad the other after running in parallel for some distance. Beyond that I have nothing except the one year post office, which is never a good sign. Mangoe (talk) 04:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Institute of Science and Technology, Bangladesh

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Non-notable educational institution. No independent, reliable sources could be found in English or Bengali that contain significant coverage of it, so there should not be a stand alone article on the topic. I had previously redirected it to List of institutes in Bangladesh, but was reverted by the author, an alumnus. Worldbruce (talk) 03:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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All Israel News

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Has been dumped on the top of the list of Israeli newspapers, yet this is a platform that fails NCORP. I will go ahead and remove it from the list of Israeli newspapers. A connection to the JPost was suggested by yet remains totally unclear. gidonb (talk) 03:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Waipareira

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Non-notable electorate that only briefly existed for 3 years. No independent secondary coverage appears to exist. Can be mentioned elsewhere like the Te Atatu electorate. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Incident management (ITSM)

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fails general notability guideline. ltb d l (talk) 03:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the article sounds like a WP:DICTIONARY definition Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:59, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: with Incident management. Tule-hog (talk) 02:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Alexis Tomassian

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nonnotable voice actor - Altenmann >talk 03:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I'm trying to evaluate WP:ENT, but Alexis Tomassian § Filmography is pretty misleading; for instance, Tomassian did not voice Zuko in A:TLA, but rather in its French dub. The best I can find so far is voicing the main characters of Martin Mystery and The Podcats, and the latter's notability is questionable. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He also voiced Samson in Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary; he's listed as the third star, and a review describes Samson as the plot's initial catalyst. That looks like a significant role to me. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a significant coverage of Tomassian. In fact, not a mum about him. Notability not inherited - Altenmann >talk 18:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll paraphrase the part of WP:ENT that applies here: An actor or voice actor may be considered notable if they have had significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows. That's from a subject-specific notability guideline. "Significant coverage" has nothing to do with that – it's only in WP:GNG. I also don't see your point with WP:INHERIT – that section names SNGs as a case where notability can be inherited. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thanks for clarification. Still, I fail to see "initial catalyst" is "significant role": Samson is covered in a single sentence. If a role is significant, surely it deserves more than that. About INHERIT, thanks again, I stand corrected. - Altenmann >talk 22:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The review's pretty sparse on plot in general, and Samson's one sentence is more than any other (non-main) character gets. Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary § Plot goes into more detail, and he's mentioned in 9 sentences there (mostly as "the soldier", but that's unambiguous). jlwoodwa (talk) 23:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to be obnoxious, but one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. In the case of Calamity, I inclined to believe, because imdb say "starring Salomé Boulven Alexandra Lamy Alexis Tomassian", implying these are major roles, but unfortunately imdb is not a valid ref for wikipedia. OK. I'm done being obnoxious here. :-) - Altenmann >talk 23:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources, but we're never going to get a reliable source to directly support a claim that "this subject is wikinotable". That's probably why WP:NOR's lead says it doesn't apply to deletion discussions. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Red herring. Strawman. Muddy waters. Don't give it to me. We need a source which supports our requirement for notability. In this case we need sources which imply that the actor had "significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows". And this must acceptable for the article, not for AfD bickering. - Altenmann >talk 07:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about? It's not a red herring. WP:NOR literally states that This policy does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources, such as deletion discussions or policy noticeboards. Can you explain why you think we need those particular sources, given that WP:NOR does not apply? jlwoodwa (talk) 09:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nonsense. You cannot base article content on non-reliable sources. Just the same, you cannot judge subject notability basing on self-published sources. Are you seriously telling me that if actor's mom says that her boy is the greatest actor, then we write a Wikipedia article about him? AfD discussions routinely judge sources, and WP:NOR has nothing to do with this. - Altenmann >talk 16:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not telling you that. I don't know why you'd think I'm telling you that. As I said before, I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources. I'm only objecting to your statement that one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not objecting that a certain degree of "original research" is necessary in AfD discussions: of course, judging sources is kinda "original research", but this kind of Wikipedian's opinion about sources is everywhere in Wikipedia, and it is not really original research. I see we are in the same page here, so never mind. - Altenmann >talk 20:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to Donaldd23's improvements, Zombillenium now looks notable, and a review describes Steven (Tomassian's character) for three sentences. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, interesting discussion but we need some firm opinions on what should happen with this article and so far, I don't see any other than the nominator's. As for sources, I've seen dozens of actors' bios at AFD and "significant role" is typically judged not by a reliable source that says, exactly, that an actor's role was significant but by whether their character is listed as a main character in the film information. But there have been successful arguments that some supporting roles are also significant so there is an element of subjectivity involved.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liz summarized the discussion correctly: we need sources that the actor had significant role, i.e., they were either among main characters (no further sources needed) or among supporting roles which were somehow noted by critics (e.g. award for "best supporting role" (but in the latter case it is for notability anyway), or other mentions, eg I saw statements that this or that secondary role unexpectedly rose to prominence in a film due to actor's extraordinary acting). - Altenmann >talk 03:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- <sigh> I have to go against my own nom, since nobody else bothers: Tomassian voiced Kaworu Nagisa (in French dubbing), definitely among main chars. - Altenmann >talk 03:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Again, what should happen with this article?
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American Liberty University

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Not a notable institution. An unaccredited university, with no independent sources. No longer approved to operate [1]. The only independent coverage is a few message boards saying it is a "scam". Walsh90210 (talk) 02:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Non-notable educational institution, few if any sources, not even anything saying how good or bad it is as an institution of higher learning. Oaktree b (talk) 02:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

University of the East College of Computer Studies and Systems

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of the East College of Computer Studies and System closed as merge to University of the East and this was subsequently recreated so bringing it back here for broader discussion and merger restoration, if deemed appropriate. I am unable to find independent sourcing for this college. Star Mississippi 02:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pet Sitters International

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No evidence PSI meets N:ORG. A membership organization & trade association whose coverage is mostly non independent and definitely not in depth. Star Mississippi 02:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Masahiko Nakahira

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No source was found either within the article or outside the article that meet notability. 日期20220626 (talk) 01:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There's some coverage in this, a RS [2], but it's not enough coverage for an article. That's all I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 02:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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A Pair of Aces

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Article has been tagged for sources since September 2022. The only sources on the page are for Goodreads (unreliable per WP:GOODREADS) and a "review" that ultimately directs the user to Amazon. According to the page, the text was never published, and I have not been able to find any sources on the subject. Given that there are two authors, the option to redirect is out. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Persikad 1999

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Not a G4, but no indication factors have changed since the prior AfD. A redirect to Liga 3 (Indonesia) is likely not helpful to the reader as teams aren't mentioned there. Star Mississippi 00:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Raiter

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Last AfD was 7 months ago and no consensus. I still believe he fails WP:BIO and WP:AUTHOR. There is no inherent notability in any of the roles he has had. LibStar (talk) 00:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Melbourne School of Theology: As was proposed last time, seems fine to me. I don't see much additional coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 02:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Dog Puller

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This seems overly advertisal and also doesn't seem especially notable. Lastly, I am suspicious of the sources. TanRabbitry (talk) 04:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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