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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:PubNub. Thanks! Oo7565 (talk) 09:47, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub (October 14)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Onel5969 was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

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Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:45, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub (October 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by LaMona was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

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LaMona (talk) 04:14, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub (November 14)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SwisterTwister was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.
What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub (December 3)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Timtrent was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

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Fiddle Faddle 19:42, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question

Hello, Yigal59! I'm Timtrent. I have replied to your question about a submission at the WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk. Fiddle Faddle 22:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question

Hello, Yigal59! I'm Yigal59. I have replied to your question about a submission at the WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk. Yigal59 (talk) 22:15, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Apologizes, I overlooked the comments, and only saw the initial standard decline.

Thanks, will get to work on improving according to your comments.

The draft was enough to show me that you have a WP:COI, which is fine before acceptance as an article. It is why we are so careful to lead folk to create the acceptable article. After acceptance, though, you need to stand well back and edit this article only at arm's length.

I'm sorry prior reviewers didn't guide you well enough. IT;ls th luck of the draw I'm afraid. You have done a lot of work that was not wasted, exactly, but not of benefit to the article. To PubNub the list of things you have unearthed is valuable, just not to the article.

We only need to have you prove the org is notable. We do not need to know how glorious it is. The objective is to get a succinct and viable article accepted.

As a webmaster you will know this does you no good in SERP, we use rel="nofollow", so the only benefit is increased physical traffic

Take this step by step, and feel free to ask me on my talk page if you have questions. I try not to re-review drafts, but I am happy to give advice. Fiddle Faddle 22:26, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Already looking better. Now, I'm sure you are looking at that list of folk, and other similar lists. Do they add value? Remember, notability cannot be inherited by anything from anything else. There is a discussion somewhere here about that but I cannot find it

Lose anything that a reasonable person would find inhibits their ability to read it. Fiddle Faddle 23:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You also need to check for 'placed' PR pieces, press releases and regurgitated PR. They are the things that look good in the folder in the foyer, but fail in an article. They affect it negatively. If in doubt, cut it out. It's not lost. It;s in the history, and is easy to retrieve. Fiddle Faddle 23:29, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Beware the further reading section. My opinion is that it will hinder acceptance. Now I am only one reviewer, and we are all equal, but I think I can judge most of the other folks' opinions, and I think it will prejudice their reviews. My feeling is to set it aside. It doesn't really add any value. Fiddle Faddle 23:46, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

An example of a useless reference is http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/25/idUS108604+25-Sep-2012+MW20120925#SGPrTupTu7PXLTh3.97 - yes it might be acceptable under WP:SELFPUB or WP:PRIMARY if it were the sole press release, but you have more than you can shake a stick at. They say to us "ADVERT" in bright flashing red neon. How did I find that? Easy. Random click, second try.

Also beware any interview with the principals, those may verify facts, but cannot ever verify notability. The are primary sources because they are from the mouths of the principals.

Lots to learn, isn't there? Who knew? Fiddle Faddle 23:51, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Got your message on my talk page. Is past midnight where I am, so I'm not a lot more use to you in your day today, but there is no deadline.

To see if PubNub passes WP:CORP we need to find the gems hidden in the forest. We can only do that with excellence of referencing. We don;t even need wonderful prose, it just has to be readable. I have no clue if it passes or not right now because the welter of remaining references confuses me. SO let me set you an intellectual task that involves no typing.

Look hard at the draft as if you have no knowledge of your employer. Pretend they are someone else. Assess by simple look and feel whether you would read the article to find out who they are.

That has nothing to do with notability, it has to do with whether it invites you in. If it passes that test (I think you know my answer to that by my having asked the question) look at the facts asserted in it. Each may be important to the corp itself, but does the presence of that fact move the article towards passing WP:CORP. If it does, keep it. If not, lose it. If it adds no value it is just fluff and clutter, and you want none of that.

Look, too, at the reference that is used for each fact. Is it one that passes WP:42. Some of them are clear passes, many are not. If the reference fails you have two choices. Either you replace the reference, or you lose the fact. If a reference can be used in two places you can do that. Read {{Reflist}} and you will find out how.

What you are aiming for (this is a hint) is a streamlined version of what I am sure you think is a streamlined version that is there at present. The best advice I have is to cut the material ruthlessly.

Now, if you have been given a corporate instruction to "put this material in come hell or high water"then you are in a thankless position of lose/lose. Creating a page on the boss's say so is an unhappy career move. She show the boss this conversation, and let them know that Wikipedia will always prevail, simply because we care only about article quality. We don't care whether the A B Corporation has an article or not. And, even if something arrives as an article, we nuke PR pieces on sight. I'm heading for sleep right now, but I'm happy to pick this up tomorrow, if you like.

For heavens sake don't submit it in the current state, it will just be rejected again. I want you to stand a great chance at the next review. Fiddle Faddle 00:16, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My friend, instant gratification often leads to disappointment and cognitive dissonance. I suggest you edit the draft and take the banner that submits it for review that you just added off. It's only advice, and you are free to reject it, of course you are, but I will give you a written guarantee that it will be rejected by someone else. There remains a lot of work to be done. Look up: ^^^^^^^^^^^ Fiddle Faddle 00:23, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:PubNub has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:PubNub. Thanks! Fiddle Faddle 00:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub (December 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Timtrent was:

I think it will help you if I analyse the references. Pass/Fail refers to their verifying WP:CORP, other comments speak of the ref itself. This permalink is the version I have analysed:

https://angel.co/pubnub Advert for PN. Fail
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/pubnub.com Alexa. Pointless. Fail
http://www.atmel.com/products/Wireless/cloud-partners/pubnub.aspx proprietary listing advertising PN s a partner. Fail
http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/PubNubs+Industry+First+Data+Stream+Network+Drives+Explosive+Transaction+Growth+and+Rapid+Adoption+Across+the+Software+and+IoT+Spectrums/10607885.html Press release. Lose! Fail.
https://scholarcommons.scu.edu/bitstream/handle/11123/976/Thesis_Using%20Virtual%20Reality%20for%20Anxiety%20Therapy.pdf?sequence=1 dead line. Fail
http://sanfrancisco.startups-list.com Directory listing. Fail
http://www.iotevolutionworld.com/iot/articles/408633-pubnub-aims-extend-its-reach-terms-developers-capabilities.htm Interview with principal, verifies facts, useless for notability. Is this WP:RS? Fail
http://venturebeat.com/2013/04/05/why-your-app-needs-to-be-real-time/ By PubNub! See WP:SELFPUB Fail
http://www.programmableweb.com/news/7-api-box-startups-connecting-to-internet-things/elsewhere-web/2015/04/15 Passing mention, confirms incontrovertible fact, no use for WP:CORP Fail
http://www.wsj.com/articles/tech-firms-scrambling-to-coordinate-the-internet-of-things-1442318606 I cannot access this. Will take it on trust. Pass
http://wardsauto.com/pubnub-and-ford-applink-showcase-power-internet-things-real-time-vehicle-dispatch-app Nasty press release, not even the full release. Lose. Fail
http://embedded-computing.com/news/hipaa-compliant-innovative-healthcare-apps/ Press release. Fail
http://readwrite.com/2011/11/14/from-devops-to-noops-10-cloud Who is the publisher? Are they RS? Passing mention albeit in a ranking. Borderline, but not a pass.
http://www.programmableweb.com/api/pubnub Directory entry. These tend to be self generated. Fail
http://wip.org/blog/tool-time-build-realtime-functionality-data-streaming-app-pubnub/ better style of article, but written by a no account trainee journo, and in a blog. The jury is out but I tend towards Fail
http://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2015/10/20/iot-and-an-all-new-network-and-the-need-for-security/ verifies fact, useless for WP:CORP Fail
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pubnub-cloud-exceeds-1-million-133000990.html Press release. Fail
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=144935127 Bloomberg always fools folk by looking awesome, but it is a directory entry, often self created. Fail
https://www.crunchbase.com/person/stephen-blum#/entity Directory entry and zero flesh. Fail
https://www.crunchbase.com/person/todd-greene#/entity Directory entry. Fail
https://gigaom.com/2012/03/20/pubnub-funding/ Actually helps establish WP:CORP Pass
http://www.forwardgeek.com/article/PubNub-Secures-11-Million-In-Series-B-Funding-To-Fuel-Growth-Of-Global-Real-Time-Network-20130917 regurgitated PR Newswire press release. Lose. Fail
http://allthingsd.com/20130917/scale-venture-partners-invests-11-million-in-pubnub-series-b/ I was hoping this might work, but the author, despite having an article here right now, fails WP:BIO and I have no idea whether the publisher is RS. If it is, pass, if not, fail
http://www.eweek.com/networking/ott-data-streamer-pubnub-lands-20m-in-vc-funding.html Pass
http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/01/pubnub-gets-another-20m-to-scale-up-its-low-latency-messaging-network/ This is a mildly massaged PR piece. Even TechCrunch cannot add clout to it. Fail
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/blog/techflash/2015/07/pubnub-announces-series-c-funding.html Regurgitated PR piece. Same as another story, so not required. Lose. Fail
http://www.computerweekly.com/news/4500245654/Sportlobster-uses-PubNub-network-for-data-streaming-in-real-time Pass
https://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs294-101/sp15/ whatever this is, a reference it is not. Fail
http://www.programmableweb.com/news/pubnub-rolls-out-sdk-iot-platforms/2015/01/07 PR. Lose. Fail
"PubNub is a real time chat service that is designed to be easily integrated within a web or mobile application. It is available with a free client API to send and receive messages using all popular programming languages and platforms" No-one wants a word document. Good lord. A university project ‘’using’ PN. Not a reference in any shape or form. Lose it. Fail
http://newscenter.ti.com/2014-12-09-TI-expands-IoT-cloud-ecosystem-and-simplifies-code-development-with-open-source-Energia-support Someone else’s press release. Verifies fact, fails to verify notability. Fail
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2015/08/prweb12913094.htm PRWeb is ‘’always a Fail’’ Lose it
http://cloudcomputing.sys-con.com/node/3563280 Had potential, but trend into regurgitated PR. Fail
http://my.umbc.edu/groups/entrepreneurship/files/3193 No. Just NO! Lose it. Fail
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10582792/how-to-get-list-of-active-subscribers-using-pubnub How to guide, written by a random. Lose. Fail
http://www.programmableweb.com/news/pubnub-unfurls-stream-controller/2014/10/31 regurgitated PR. Full of “Green says” stuff. Negative benefit. Fail
https://marketplace.openshift.com/apps/10954#!editions Sales site. Spam. REMOVE. Fail
https://www.appdirect.com/apps/10954#!features/Mobile_Push_Gateway another spam link. REMOVE. Fail
http://cefns.nau.edu/capstone/projects/CS/2012/teamsaon/assets/presentation-final.pdf Waiting to die while it loads. Hope it’s worth the wait. Drums fingers. Reads War and Peace. Ok, must be an enormous pdf. I gave up. Tried again. Oh lord. Another project using the thing. This is not a reference. Fail
"using Node.js or Pub/Sub web services like PubNub.com or Pusher.com" Totally useless. Lose. Fail
http://readwrite.com/2011/12/26/top_10_enterprise_cloud_apps_and_services_of_2011 Looks like a real review. Pass
http://www.crn.com/slide-shows/channel-programs/240163608/10-hot-technology-startups-for-november.htm/pgno/0/8 verifies fact. Borderline for notability. Benefit of the doubt Pass
http://www.cio.com/article/2602467/consumer-technology/10-hot-internet-of-things-startups.html?page=7 Pass
https://wtvox.com/internet-of-things-iot/10-wearables-and-iot-companies-to-watch-in-2015/ Pass.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/janakirammsv/2015/04/13/6-iot-startups-that-make-connecting-things-to-the-cloud-a-breeze/2/ Doesn’t add much, but Forbes has RS clout. Pass
http://www.iotevolutionworld.com/newsroom/articles/408508-best-iot-solutions-awarded-battle-the-platforms.htm Is this a WP:N award? If so, pass, if not, Fail.
http://www.infosecurityproductsguide.com/world/ Silver winner = best loser. Even so, Is this a WP:N award? If so, pass, if not, Fail.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pubnub-delivers-real-time-audience-150000680.html Lose. Nasty press release. Fail
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4208233/ Is this a peer reviewed paper? If so, pass, if not, fail
http://www.cse.uaa.alaska.edu/capstone/sites/default/files/upload_files/Donkuro-report.pdf Seems familiar. Loads of use of the subjunctive means it has not yet happened. Fail
http://readwrite.com/2015/05/12/push-comes-to-shove-information-interaction Passing mention. Fail
https://rethinkdb.com/blog/rethinkdb-pubnub/ vendor describing how they are using PN, so independent, but not RS. Fail
http://labs.mediatek.com/site/global/developer_tools/mediatek_linkit/documentation/bicycle-tracking/tutorial/ How To guide. Fail

I think you can see from this list that PN probably passes WP:CORP, but that the referencing is not useful. My view is that you need to start again, for the ground up. Find excellence of referencing, see what the references say. Marshall this into a logical order and ‘’write in your own words what the references say’’, using them to cite the facts you assert. Drop the lousy references. a minority of the failures in this list ‘’may’’ be used under WP:PRIMARY or WP:SELFPUB, but do not ever push the envelope here.

I’m sorry we have not guided you early enough or well enough on this so far. We are all volunteers and do our best in the time we allocate. The work that I have done on your references takes far more time than most of us would consider spending. I did it because I sensed your frustration and wang you to have the best experience available even frustrated

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Fiddle Faddle 09:36, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub has been accepted

PubNub, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

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Fiddle Faddle 00:05, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now, be its father, not its mother. This is not the time to wrap it in warm towels and protect it from harm. This is the time to watch it learn to ride its bike, and be happy for the grazed knees. Watch it wth pride, not with possessiveness. It's a son, not a daughter and you are a father, not a mother! Fiddle Faddle 00:08, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

By the way,I suspect strongly that others will strip some of the product section out. Close your eyes to that. It is not your article any more. See WP:OWN, which is very important. Fiddle Faddle 00:10, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just to prove you can ...

Not to me, but to yourself, find a topic we have not got in an area that interests you, and create it. Maybe a man or woman you admire on whom we do not have an article, but who passes WP:BIO. Have a look at Keith White (yachtsman) which I created in a couple of hours after meeting him and wanting to find out more about him. This is an absorbing hobby.

One thing I know for sure. I spent my working life in sales and marketing for US IT companies, including Wang laboratories and Gartner. I learnt a lot about writing marketing copy and web site copy by learning how to write neutral and well researched copy for Wikipedia. Do this well and your business writing will improve beyond measure. Fiddle Faddle 00:14, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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