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Led Zep

The reason I haven't really pursued the changes to this article, despite the obvious problems, in case you are not aware, is this.--SabreBD (talk) 15:08, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

What obvious problems are you talking about? I asked you 100 times to name one specific problem, which you failed to do. MadeinJapan (talk · contribs) 16:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I see - I was not aware of this. Thanks for letting me know. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 15:11, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Just to say thanks for your efforts in maintaining the quality of this article. I really appreciate them.--SabreBD (talk) 18:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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  1. Melicans (talk · contribs) 14:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  2. Dream out loud (talk · contribs) 16:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  3. Pjoef (talk · contribs) 16:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC) The 80s, from Boy to Rattle and Hum plus the ONE Campaign
  4. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk · contribs) 03:05, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
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  6. Difop (talk · contribs) 20:26, 19 October 2012 (WEST)
  7. Miss Bono (talk · contribs) 11:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC) The entire career of the band plus Bono and Ali Hewson.
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  11. Mayast (talk · contribs) 19:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC) Upcoming songs and album (2014)
  12. c_meindl (talk · contribs) 10:45, 6 February 2014 Taking a WikiPedia class and had to join a WikiProject. I am interested in supplementing song stubs and articles!
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  14. Calidum (talk · contribs) Wish I had seen this sooner. 01:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  15. Fylbecatulous (talk · contribs) returning to active status; just based on a feeling... Fylbecatulous talk 15:44, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
  16. [[User:<Pushandturn>|<Pushandturn>]] ([[User talk:<Pushandturn>|talk]] · [[Special:Contribs/<Pushandturn>|contribs]]) 00:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC) optional: Im a longtime U2 fan and I went to the U2 360 tour and love sharing their music!

 Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:39, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Eve Hewson

What happened to the personal life section of her article?? And what her infobox doesn't show James Lafferty as her boyfriend?????? please reply! Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:50, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't know, I didn't touch the article except adding Wikilinks... Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 18:54, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Was it a vandalism of User:John ?? He didn't explained why he did that!.. Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't know, I would recommend you consult the article history for specifics. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 19:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

This is the closest it says: (cur | prev) 21:08, 4 April 2013‎ John (talk | contribs)‎ . . (4,012 bytes) (-682)‎ . . (ce, trim unref and repetition) (undo)  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:11, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

BTW, Thanks for signing for the WP U2. Cheers! Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:12, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

If you click the "prev" link next to any edit, you can see the changes between that version and the previous version of the article. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 19:14, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I just check that and he deleted the whole section and the name of her boyfriend without an explanation.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:15, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

The explanation is in the edit summary: "unref" means the information was unreferenced. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 19:17, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

What's Next

What can we do to keep improving the WP: U2?? I need your help on That.Pleaseee :)  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:03, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention, If you know what I mean  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Bono's Article

What do you suggest as those 'more pressing matters for the article'.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:13, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Y2kcrazyjoker4!
If you have time, please reply to Miss Bono. I know you have worked as a primary contributor on many articles about U2. Miss Bono is new to Wikipedia and she is not familiar with it.
Thank you so very much. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:12, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm very busy at the moment. I will have to respond with more thought in care in a few days. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 20:03, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

info

The u2 2010 concert in Barcelona was notice for the uncompliment of the sounds level and municipal law, the angry neighbours concentration and the fees paid by an "ecologic" group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.39.155.209 (talk) 21:42, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

April 2013

Look, I'm not going to give you the generic warn, but don't change genres without sources or consensus. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 22:48, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Please refrain from changing genres, as you did to In the Evening, without providing a source and without establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:13, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

This includes Immigrant Song, Silversun Pickups, and especially Run (Snow Patrol song). You have written FAs in the past. You perfectly know how WP:NOR works. Stop and discuss or cite. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:13, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
You will also know, since you edit the genres of several articles, that Snow Patrol was never included in the Britpop movement and it is quite distinct from the post-Britpop movement they do fall under. I will not let the sloppy writing style of some random author of a Spin magazine article lead to inaccurate information being added here. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 23:17, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I know that, but it is not my or your work to decide when references are wrong or right, just to cite them as they were written. If you have a problem with Spin calling them "Britpop", or if you assume their are "post-Britpop", contact Spin or Andrew Beaujon and complain with them; or open a RSN case to decide why Spin is incorrect and it should not be cited this way. Also, this doesn't explain the other addition of unsourced genres to non-SP songs. Read WP:GWAR (if you haven't) to know how you are acting with those unsourced and original changes in this moment. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:24, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Check out Allmusic: it lists Britpop as a genre for Oasis, but not for Snow Patrol (or the album "Run" is from). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 23:25, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"SP is not listed as Britpop, therefore they are not Britpop", still being original research. Stop edit-warring or WP:AN3 will be involved here. You are not a newbie, stop acting as one. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Run (Snow Patrol song). Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

The boilerplate message really does not add any value to this discussion. Look: This very article from Spin discusses the work of 4 bands from the post-Britpop movement. It says post-Britpop in the review of Embrace's album but interchangeably uses the Britpop term in the section's title. It's clear here the publication is not applying any consistency to the terms and thus is not a great source to derive this information from. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 23:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Another article that says Snow Patrol is post-Britpop. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 23:34, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
The warn is a generic message to tell you "stop, or ANx will be required. As I told you, you have the option to contact either, the magazine or Andrew Beaujon. They are not Tom Cruise or Barack Obama or any other celebrity to ignore your messages, but instead you continued changing genres, first from AR and PBP to Rock alone, you are changing all of them without any evidence the song itself is any of them. The song has a genre, the album may have other. Madonna raps in American Life (song), should rap be added to the genre of the song and the album without references but "because the song is a pop rap/hip hop/rap song, it has those genres"? Of course not without evidence that seconds you. The same here. Alternative rock was there for years until I found the song genre is Britpop due to that reference. No source mentioned or called "Run" as "alternative rock", if not, it would have both genres. Your Spin's reference still trivial and still original research. The ref you are complaining was written by Beaujon, the source about the album was written by Mikael Wood about the album, and the third one is from another newspaper. You are now combining references to make a fact, per WP:NOR "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." I mentioned your FAs because if you include unsourced content or original research, what are going to do the FA reviewers: pass your article with unsourced alleged ideas or pass it with those supported by references? Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:48, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
If some hack at Pitchfork decided to write an ironic article that called the song "rap", would you blindly just add it to the article and say "yep, that's rap" without using any common sense or discretion? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 23:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
If the article uses irony in a sense like "Madonna has now become the greatest rapper thanks to 'American Life'", no, it is likely joking about Madonna, not the song. Also, if your point is "Beaujon is wrong" or assume he is wrong (cn per WP:BLP) his review has nothing to do with irony as he is not using irony in it. You can't use the performer main genre in all the songs s/he/they have released. Leona Lewis's main genre is R&B, should Hurt: The EP be labeled as R&B because of that, or viceversa? WP:NOR seconds that you can't do changes without proper sourcing. Other solutions are that you search for consensus to change the genre somewhere like talk page--I don't remember the article, but I once removed a genre that included no reference. I was reverted with the summary "consensus on talk page"--, contact Spin or Beaujon, find a reliable reference citing "alt. rock or post-Britpop", use WP:RSN, but do not change genres by simply alleged "ideas or facts", especially if they are based upon your experience. The truth is not always a reliable source: "the sky is blue, you don't need a reference for that, right?". Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 00:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Please see

Talk:Immigrant Song Mlpearc (powwow) 18:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

WP: U2 Newsletter for May 2013

Hello, I need some of your help to add fresh information to the U2 News' section here Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/Outreach/newslettermay13. Thanks!  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok

I'll step back.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:41, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't mean to be critical, but usually reviews/nominations are handled in a very linear process (not to mention the Featured Article nomination will most likely bring up some issues that would have been found in the peer review). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 19:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
No problem. Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I will totally step back.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 20:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Also I wanted to know where is the right time to post May 2013 Newsletter???  Miss Bono (zootalk) 20:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

WP U2 New barnstar

Take a look and give us your opinion on the WP U2 discussion. Thanks  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

WP: U2 Newsletter for May 2013

The U2 WikiProject Newsletter

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WikiProject U2

Issue VIII - 1st May 2013


If you would like to contribute on the revamping of the WikiProject, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. You may also contact our project coordinator Miss Bono.
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Quote of the month

U2 News
  • Apr 28, 2013 – Promoter of U2’s Red Rocks concert Barry Fey dead at 73.[1]
  • Apr 25, 2013 - Bono revealed the working title of the new album is "10 Reasons to Exist" The band have been recording in Dublin, New York and the South of France over the last few months. [2]
  • Jan 2013 – New species of trapdoor spider Aptostichus bonoi named after Bono.[3]
  • Nov 04, 2010 – U2, Gaga, Metallica, Swift Win Big at Billboard Touring Awards[4]
  • Dec 14, 2009 – U2 Scores Top Tour of 2009, Second of Decade.[5]
  • Mar 03, 2009 – New York names street 'U2 Way'.[6]
  • Dec 12, 2008 – Nobel laureates crown U2's Bono 'man of peace'[7]

Project News

Member News
  • We have updated the Membership list.
  • There are four new members this month.

Picture of the month
A photo shoot of U2 performing at Charlottesville, VA on October 1, 2009
U2 perform at Charlottesville, VA on October 1, 2009
U2 performing at Charlottesville, VA on October 1, 2009, during their worldwide U2360º Tour, launched in support of the group's 2009 album.
From the Editors
Welcome to the May edition of the WikiProject U2 Newsletter.
This month's theme is No Line on the Horizon, the twelfth studio album by U2.

The Album
  • No Line on the Horizon was released on 27 February 2009.
  • It marked the longest gap between studio albums of U2's career.
  • The band originally intended to release the songs as two EPs, but later combined the material into a single record.
  • The supporting U2 360° Tour, spanning 2009 to 2011, was the highest-grossing concert tour in history, with ticket sales over $736 million.
  • The singles for this album were "Get on Your Boots", "Magnificent", "I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go :Crazy Tonight"

The Album's Cover
A photo of Hiroshi Sugimoto in Berlin on 2 July 2008
Hiroshi Sugimoto (Berlin, 2008)
The cover art for No Line on the Horizon is a photograph of Lake Constance, taken by Japanese photographer Hiroshi Sugimoto; titled Boden Sea, it is one of 200 pictures in his Seascapes collection.

New Members
  1. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
  2. Unreal7 (talk · contribs) 12:01, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
  3. Teancum (talk · contribs) 14:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
  4. Fylbecatulous talk 12:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Did You Know?
  • That the word "baby" is on Achtung Baby twenty-seven times.
  • That Bono's first car was a secondhand Fiat Uno 127. He had an accident driving that car, crashing into a telegraph pole.
  • That the full name of the song "United Colours" is "United Colours of :Plutonium"?
  • That "Winter" and "White as Snow" were both written for the 2009 film Brothers?
  • That "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" is the most covered U2 song?

Written by Miss Bono.


WP: U2 Newsletter for May 2013

Please, join this discussion. We are happy to hear new suggestions for next Newsletters. Thank you.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:54, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

WP U2 Revamped New Barnstar

We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cost. Please, Take a look at the WP U2 Revamped New Barnstar and give us your opinion on the project discussion. Thanks  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Good job keep Mariano Rivera's page up to date. Keep up the good work. NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 20:18, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Ad:Nexus 7: Difference between revisions

Ad:Nexus 7: Difference between revisions

Please explain your motives before reverting again. Thanks. --Nux (talk) 22:10, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Only one site has even touched on this topic and not a reliable one, at that. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 23:16, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Ad:Nexus 7: Revision history

Ad:Nexus 7: Revision history

It's a Google's tablet why not just google the information ;-P. I haven't found a single success story and also have the tablet in question and microphone doesn't work. Not important? Well try to talk with an 8-inch tablet at your ear. --Nux (talk) 18:42, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Neither of those references are reliable sources. It appears a lot of original research was done on this subject. And I haven't read a single review by a critic that brought this up. Tablets aren't going to have every possible feature, just because something was omitted doesn't mean it needs to be haphazardly added to the article as if it's a problem. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 19:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Reports of users are real problems. That's not original research. OR would be if I would say I tried one of my headphones and it doesn't work. I've tired more then one, but that could be a problem with my device. Problem is there are reports from all over the world about non-functional external mic and no success stories. Not even one. Also look at this - note that ifixt makes teardowns and also did a teardown of Nexus 7.
As for why this wasn't noticed by reviewers - they usually don't have time to test throughly. See here when one of the users assumed it worked, but then noticed it's actually tablet microphone that pick up sound. --Nux (talk) 09:42, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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Please do not make the link public. Here is a rough translation:

ASUS CASEID=RTM20130509xxxxxx-xxx
Dear Customer.
Thank you for contacting Technical Support Asus.
Nexus 7 is not a phone and there is no calls function. The ability to use the SIM card is only for accessing the Internet.
Your device has a headphone jack and two built-in microphones.
Sorry for the earlier confusion. I did not think you want to use the tablet as a phone. These are not equivalent devices.

Hope this will end our small editwar. --Nux (talk) 15:17, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

No Line on the Horizon Box Set

I was wondering if I can upload a shot I took of the complete Box Set version of the album just like you did with The Joshua Tree. can you help my with the policy and those tricky stuffs?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Grace (U2 song)

Need some revision. Thanks.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I will open a discussion at Grace's Talk. Please, join. Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:30, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

One Tree Hill for TFA

What do you think of it??? Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

reverted Portlandia edit of mystery

I undid your revision to Portlandia (TV series) because you did not explain the reasoning for removal. As a longtime editor, I am surprised you don't habitually provide an edit summary. Perhaps in the future you could make more of an effort to explain why you are making a change. Possibly this will benefit even you when you look back years later at edits, as well as those who monitor Recent changes, an article's edit history, and individual editor's watchlists. —EncMstr (talk) 20:11, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Random Access Memories

WP:ACCESS is a Wikipedia style guideline that must be followed. WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a reason to remove it; and plenty of articles implement it.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 02:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Leader vs. Champion

Hi. Hope all is well. I noticed you changing "champion" to "leader", as here. I was wondering why. Some people might think them equivalent, and wonder why one would change a perfectly appropriate format that was first chosen to a second format. Some people might think, as I do, that champion is better, as it connotes that one is a champion for the period in question -- a champion is only a champion at the end of the period in question, while one can be a leader any day of the season on a leaderboard and not be the champion at the end of the day. Third -- indeed, the list linked to is entitled a list of champions. Thought I would ask your thoughts in making the change. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:39, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I see your point. However, the term "champion" usually seems to be associated with an organized competition or team title and not with leading in a statistical category. I think this would be something the WikiProject Baseball should gather a consensus for. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 05:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Cite web vs news

Saw your edit summary about using {{cite web}} if the source is found on the web. However, this is contrary to the documentation, which says it is used "to create citations for web sources that are not characterized by another CS1 template." In fact, pretty much all these templates have a url parameter. Not sure if it make any difference as far as formatting. I don't really care if it gets changed back, but maybe one less thing for you to worry about enforcing in the future. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 01:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

If this article appeared in a physical newspaper, I would agree with it being a news citation. However, I would assume you found this on the web and don't know if there is even a physical version of the article or not. If that's the case, would this not be handled the same way as any other web site (e.g. a web citation)? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 05:07, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
There's nothing at cite news that says it has to be a physical newspaper. If a website is affiliated with a news organization, I usually opt for cite news, whereas MLB.com I would use cite web. At any rate, I see your perspective at least. —Bagumba (talk) 05:25, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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U2 Rock band

Hey!! I added a source. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2009/10/68500358/1 I do have the image of the cover of the game. besides why you always appear to revert my edits and not when I ask for your help?? Ms.Bono(zootalk)☆ 17:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

For a band that has been around 37 years, how is speculation that the band was considering doing their own video game 4 years ago worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia article? Anyways, the Rock Band series has concluded development, there is no chance that a U2 Rock Band will ever be released. If the game was going to happen, it would have been made by now. No news has appeared on this topic since 2009, anyways. The reason I don't help with everything you ask is sometimes the requests you make seem like spam - I don't really have the time or energy to be working on barnstars and newsletters. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 17:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry then. But what about when I asked you for help with GA or FA promotions? And you could explain me that the first time I asked you for help so I wouldn't waste my energy and time trying to catch someone's (I thought it would be interested in the subject) attention with spams. Anyways, sorry for all these month of spaming (which were things of a new editor getting used to WikiLife and looking for help of major editors in her interest area). I will try to find my own way around here without bothering you.
P.S. I admire you for all your work with U2 related subjects.
Bye forever.

Ms.Bono(zootalk)☆ 17:52, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Whole Lotta Love

Hello Y2kcrazyjoker4,

I don't want be involved in genre wars about this song but "heavy metal" is not the genre which can be used to describe "Whole lotta love". I agree Led Zeppelin is a pioneer of the "heavy metal" genre, but I don't think it's a reason to describe the band itself (nor its sound) as "heavy metal". In fact, I think the word "heavy metal" is improperly used to describe any heavy rock sound, even if it's not heavy metal. For example, AC/DC sound is often describe as a "heavy metal" because it is quite heavy, even if it's more described as "hard rock" or "blues rock" by music critics. Heavy metal is a genre which features too much subgenres to be used like this, especially for the "so-called" first heavy metal bands such as Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple.

Led Zeppelin is much more a hard rock/proto-metal band rather than a true "heavy metal" band such as Judas Priest, Metallica or Iron Maiden, and Whole lotta love is a perfect example of a hard rock/proto-metal song with blues influences which looks like heavy metal but which is not really heavy metal. For example, this reference talks about the the proto-metal crunch of “Whole Lotta Love.” and supports my view. Synthwave.94 (talk) 18:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

That's all well and good, and I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I hear a lot of opinions in your message, unfortunately. I see the source you provided calls the song "proto-metal", but there are many, many other reliable sources that have called the band (and most likely the song) simply "heavy metal". I don't really see the point in getting specific about whether it's "proto" or not, the "proto-metal" term redirects to heavy metal music anyways and it seems like it's all semantics about timeframe and what not. All I know is that Led Zeppelin were considered one of the first heavy metal bands, not a precursor to the genre (which is what the "proto" prefix would imply). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 02:41, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
I know Led Zeppelin is very often regarded as one of the very first heavy metal bands (Allmusic describes the band as the first "true metal band" for example) and I agree some Led Zeppelin songs can be described as heavy metal songs, such as Immigrant Song (even if the song is more often described as a "hard rock" or a "proto-metal" song by music critics) and the . But not all Led Zeppelin songs are heavy metal songs. Nobody's Fault but Mine or Black Dog are for example described as hard rock/blues rock songs by references that are found on the two Wikipedia articles and like Nobody's Fault but Mine, Whole Lotta Love borrowed elements from blues songs. So I don't think "heavy metal" should be used to describe "Whole Lotta Love" (which is certainly not the heaviest song Led Zeppelin recorded) because the opening riff of the song is closer to hard rock rather than heavy metal (and the part after the psychedelic interlude too). Synthwave.94 (talk) 01:43, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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Mullen and Clayton

I have added info to Clayton and added a picture to Mullen. Please check both up. Thanks! Miss Bono [zootalk]☆ 18:42, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

U2 by U2 and U2 iPod Special Edition

Hi Y2kcrazy...

I am a little worried because, there is nothing about U2 by U2 or The U2 iPod Special Edition in U2 main article. I was wondering if it is okay to add something about that? Can I do it by myself or you will do it? Miss Bono [zootalk] 16:29, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
The U2 iPod is mentioned in the 2000-2006 section. I'm not sure the U2 by U2 book is important enough that we need to mention it in the band article, though. For example, the band's compilation album and reissues aren't mentioned either, otherwise the article would become bogged down with details. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 16:48, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I get it, I just thought that as U2 by U2 is the story of the band told by the band, it deserves to be mentioned in the article. Miss Bono [zootalk] 17:30, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Photo of Odin Lloyd

I don't think the photo of Odin Lloyd was spam. Perhaps it should be deleted on grounds that a link to a picture is not a recommended Wikipedia practice.--Gciriani (talk) 20:19, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

FA possible articles

Hi kcrazy,

I am asking you for help since you are one of the best editors who works in U2 related articles. Melicans left a message here about possible U2 FA article and I would like you to check them. Thanks, your annoying co-worker
Miss Bono [zootalk] 13:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Adam Clayton Article

Hello, I added a couple of thing to the article. would you mind to take a look at it and fix whatever it's wrong. Thanks. Miss Bono [zootalk] 16:18, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

All done. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 19:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I will add more tomorrow, would you mind reviewing it too? Miss Bono [zootalk] 19:52, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Recent edit: Alternative music

See this. Do you think it should stay that way or the previous one? Miss Bono [zootalk] 12:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm undecided on the change, but leaning towards "it needs to be reverted because it is uncited". Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 15:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
I will revert it. Thanks for the thoughts. Oh, we have an upcoming interview for us in the Signpost. more details in the WPU2 talk. Miss Bono [zootalk] 15:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

August 2013

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U2 Barnstar!

The U2 Barnstar
I hereby award you the U2 Barnstar for your efforts in helping Wikiproject U2. Congratulations!
I know we are not good friends but we have one thing in common, U2. I wanted to say thank you for everything you do for the project. And I admire you... Enjoy this barnstar. Miss Bono [zootalk] 13:22, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 13:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. I hope we can solve our differences in the near future. And sorry if I have done something that bothers you in any way. I didn't mean to. Miss Bono [zootalk] 13:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Walk On Video

We have a section for the two videos of the song. I need, if possible that you find some reference to source that whole section or at least the part that says that one of the videos was filmed in Rio de Janeiro. Thanks. Miss Bono [zootalk] 15:08, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

At the moment, I've found this. Not sure if there is a better source available. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 16:18, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Ok thank you so much. I cannot follow the link due to my internet restrictions, but it surely works. Can you add it to the article? Miss Bono [zootalk] 16:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

walk on the whole article

I am trying to improve the article, but due to my lack of Internet access I cannot find anything to add to the Composition and theme section. Do you think you can find something similar to the first sentence of the same section in City of Blinding Lights? Many thanks! Miss Bono [zootalk] 14:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I haven't read U2 by U2 in a while, so perhaps there is some information in there I can add. To my knowledge, there hasn't been a lot of information in books or magazines about the development of the song, so we'll see. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 14:28, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I've just read U2 by U2, there is nothing about the tempo or keys. Just about the inspiration. I don't know if there's something at u2.com or at atu2.com, please give it a try there. Thanks! Miss Bono [zootalk] 14:31, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Is it bad having quotes on articles? Miss Bono [zootalk] 15:20, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Not necessarily, why do you ask? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 15:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I am adding info to Elevation and I found it would be good to have a quote by Edge on the rythm pf the song, but I wasn't sure. Anyways, please, check that out in case I've mess it up. Miss Bono [zootalk] 15:44, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Can you do some copyediting to the Elevation article? Miss Bono [zootalk] 18:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I'll look at it the first chance I get. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 12:54, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Miss Bono [zootalk] 13:01, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Mother's Milk

Could you do me a favor and weigh in at Talk:Mother's Milk? The guys that took it to FA are not around any more, so it's a bit hard to monitor and discuss. --Laser brain (talk) 13:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Warrior

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. I have noticed that some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Warrior (Kesha album), have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you to seek consensus for certain edits by discussing the matter on the article's talk page. Thank you. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 12:30, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Wake Up genre issue

Adding cited, applying genres isn't really disruptive editing. And just undoing my changes without explaining why you did so is not going to convince me to stop. 3jz01bcs (talk • contributions) 17:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. Having to sort out your constant genre changes to the article is very much disruptive–by nature, an edit war is disruptive. First, I had to instruct you how to cite your changes. Then, I had to stress the WP:RS policy of Wikipedia, as the sources were not reliable. Even if you have progressed past those issues, the real problem here is that you are still being a "genre warrior" and focusing most of your edits on making the genre field of article in line with what you feel is right. I really need to stress this essay to explain why all these edits are counterproductive. Take this quote from the essay, for example:
Ultimately, you could find 25 different reviews of Wake Up that describe it 25 different ways, but that doesn't mean it falls under 25 genres or even needs that level of detail about the sound in the genre field. Just let things be. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 23:24, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

U2 by U2

Hey! I am working to create the article for u2 by U2. Do you think you can find a picture of the cover and upload it. Let me know. Thanks :) Miss Bono [zootalk] 16:00, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply - I can upload the image, but I'm concerned that the U2 by U2 book is not notable enough for its own article. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 16:05, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Oh, thanks, no problem for being late. Take a look at this ♣ and teññ me what you think of it. Miss Bono [zootalk] 16:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

WP U2 in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to revisit WikiProject U2 for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 13:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Would you consider participating? I was thinking about waiting until you and Dream out loud have answer all the questions, you are the masters here :D Miss Bono [zootalk] 19:26, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
I will try to respond sometime in the next few days. No promises though, I'm a bit busy right now. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 19:34, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
ok, no problem. thanks. Miss Bono [zootalk] 19:37, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

U2 Awards

Hey, Y, I was checking this out and saw some awards received by U2 that don't appear here. Can you check that please and tell me if I should add the rest of the awards? Reply asap, Thanks. Miss Bono [zootalk] 13:48, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I would definitely add any missing Billboard awards. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 14:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Also, it [the article] doesn't say that U2 received any touring artist award in 2012 but in 2010. What would you do? Miss Bono [zootalk] 14:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I missed this at first, but the Billboard Touring Awards are separate from the Billboard Music Awards (hence, the confusion). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 14:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

So, we should split it into two sections or leave them all together?

I am confused, in the article I pointed out (Bb Touring Awards, it says that U2 won the Top Tour Award in 2010, 2011 and 2005, but it doesn't mention 2012. So I went right straight to 2012_Billboard_Music_Awards and I found that they won the Top Touring Award that year. Then, I went to 2011_Billboard_Music_Awards to see if the names of the categories matched and they did. So I am more than confused now.

In the first link I gave you said that the Top Touring Artist that year was Top Tour: Roger Waters for The Wall Live and not U2 for 360º. Miss Bono [zootalk] 14:55, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Adam's wedding

Can you find some references on line to the statement someone made on the article? Finally he married. Miss Bono [zootalk] 16:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Copy-edit

Thanks for the copy-edit you did for the Grand Theft Auto V page. Would you be able to continue at some point on the Development section? I really want this section as tight as possible. CR4ZE (talk) 02:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I can look at it at some point. It might not be right away (maybe after the game is released), but I will review it. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 13:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, any time you can. I want my first FA and can't do it alone. CR4ZE (talk) 12:30, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Mo Award
A picture of my favorite baseball player for the author of my favorite Wikipedia article, Mariano Rivera. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:31, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Bloom6132 and I are planning on finishing up the Core Four Good Topic soon. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:34, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
I should be able to help with the Core Four article, as well. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 22:28, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
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