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Your submission at Articles for creation: Larry Bourne (December 13)

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Drmies (talk) 04:29, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Larry Bourne (January 19)

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! APerson (talk!) 14:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at AfC Larry Bourne was accepted

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referencing question

Is this how to ask a question? I have obtained many secondary sources but am not clear on how to use them in the article. For example . For example, newspaper articles where Larry Bourne is quoted as an expert; scholarly peer-reviewed journal articles; inclusion in Canadian Geography: A Scholarly Bibliography By Thomas A. Rumney; and many more. - shall I simply created a new section in which to list these other sources? Thank you Vivre101 (talk) 00:30, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

You need to find other people who are talking about him. and then place inline citations/footnotes after the sentences so that people can find the sources. Directions for doing so can be found: Help:Referencing for beginners. When you put material between the opening <ref> tag and closing <ref/> tag, and have a {{reflist}} template on the bottom of the page, the Wikimarkup will automagically display "footnotes " of the material between the tags. Hope this helps.

new request for feedback

Thank you very much for your guidance. Obviously a more experienced editor has been working on the Bourne page today. That inspired me to add more external references. Have I done it correctly? I have tons more but would like to ask is there is a need to continue or is the page now acceptable in terms of external references? Also, does Wikipedia prefer internal references to other Wikipedia entries over external websites? Bourne is most definitely a notable person according to Wikipedia definitions for academics. I plan to add a few more key pieces of info but wanted to find out if the external references are ok now. Thanks again for your assistance. Vivre101 (talk) 21:09, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Its probably not in danger of immediate deletion, but it really is lacking in third party sources that talk about him or his work. "Experts" giving soundbites to the media are a dime a dozen and there is no actual qualifications to be cited as such, and doing so is not one of the measures by which Wikipedia measures notability. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:05, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Vivre, I'm the editor who has been working on the Bourne article. I am happy to help out with questions. I think you are asking above about the difference between inline citations (the little blue numbers) and external links. WP works with what can be reliably verified. For this inline citations are added, using the <ref>....</ref> system. Generic external links are given at the bottom of the page, in case the reader wants to find out more about the subject. They are not there to verify or source anything. If you want to make the article stronger, then it is the secondary sources that need adding. That is: not a write up from somewhere Bourne works or is connected with. Not interviews or articles by him, but the assessment of people not connected with him at all. That is why I added the reference books where he or is work is mentioned. These are third party sources. I hope that helps. Feel free to ask for help when you need it. Best wishes Span (talk) 00:29, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi and thank you for your help. I am new to this and it is proving to be challenging but worthwhile. I found a secondary source in Encyclopedia of the City calling Bourne a leading expert on Canadian urban issues. I placed that at the top of the article. You are very quick at finding better reference materials! I hope to learn to go faster. Thank you for showing me clear examples.

It does take a while to get the hang of it all. Encyclopedia of the City is great. As the article has just been 'created' in mainspace, there is tendency for the content to shout about notability, as there is something to prove, but that can be smoothed out. I went through Googlebooks, Credo, Highbeam, Jstor and Questia research engines and found what I could. If you know his work, you are probably going to know where to look (in Canadian sources) much better than me. I very much doubt that the article will be deleted now; the task is to fill it out and make it an asset to WP. Happy editing. Span (talk) 01:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again for listing all the research engines you consulted. Is there any practical way to include a Google Scholars citation figure? Bourne's work is highly cited by other authors. Possibly this isn't relevant to Wikipedia. I will be adding "invited lectures at meetings of national or international scholarly societies" once I get them gathered together. Thank you so much! Vivre101 (talk) 11:42, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I'd suggest being specific rather then general. If he is chairing a conference then perhaps mention that. "Invited lectures at meetings of national or international scholarly societies" is quite general and sounds a bit like an attempt to puff up the subject. If there is an article you want to cite, for example, from Google Scholar, you can add the publishing details in an WP inline citation - journal, date, title, ISBN, page number etc. Span (talk) 13:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Paula Bourne (August 5)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Paula Bourne has been accepted

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