User talk:Victor12

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Assess and prioritise articles (log) Check for copyvios at Special:Contributions/Priscilla D, tag as {{Db-copyvio}} where appropriate Create: Expand: new articles; top importance articles FAC / FLC: Peru national football team GAN: Merge requests: Amazonas before the Inca Empire, Chachapoyas culture Review: Shining Path, Universitario de Deportes Translate: National University of San Marcos Work on Lima, the current article improvement drive Wikify: articles needing attention

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Palacios

Hello Victor12, Thank you for your excellent contribution about the Peruvian Navy. If you look on the "Talk page" of your article you will see that I have posted a question about the Palacios, which used to be HMS Diana (D126) in the Royal Navy Pat 21:34, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank You

Dear Victor12, thank you for the information you provided about Palacios (DM-73), ex HMS Diana. I have incorporated your input, word for word, in Diana's article. Thank you for such a prompt and complete response. Pat 15:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject: Peru

Hello, I have seen some of your Peru-related edits. If you are interested you can join Wikipedia:WikiProject Peru, we are dedicated to expanding articles on Peru-related topics.-Jersey Devil 07:00, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Hola!

Hi, me llamo Andrea, de AQP, me alegro de ver mas usuarios de wikipedia peruanos. XD --Cosmic girl 17:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Input for next Wikiproject Collaboration

Seeing as we are almost done with the Andrés Avelino Cáceres collaboration and March is coming up. I'd thought that I should inform you and the other members of WP:Peru that you can add your thoughts on what you think the next project collaboration should be on at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Peru#Collaboration.--Jersey Devil 21:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Next Peru Collaboration just started on Peruvian Army, check it out.--Jersey Devil 16:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, nice job with the Peruvian Army article, it's much better now. Good to have someone with your background working on it. Keep it up. --Gabbec 01:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Thxs, I'll try to find time to keep working on the article. --Victor12 02:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Grammarical problem

First off, great work at the Peruvian Army article. I'm just wondering why you changed the sentence back to "During this period, defense expenditures underwent exponential growth allowing an unprecedent level of weapon acquisitions and the rapid expansion of the Armed Forces." from "During this period, defense expenditures underwent exponential growth allowing an unprecedent level of weapon acquisition and expansion of the Armed Forces." The version I changed it to is more grammarically correct, don't you think? Useless Fodder 19:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I added "the rapid" to make it clear that "unprecedent level" refers only to the acquisitions... as for weapon acquisition vs acquisitions I think the plural is the correct form as the sentece refers to several arms deals made during this period. What do you think? --Victor12 23:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I had to think for a while as to why it sounds wrong in my ear and I realized its a number disagreement. Since you say "an unprecedented level" it should be the singular form. As for the "rapid expansion" part, it sounds funny when I'm looking for parallel structure I think. Perhaps it can be rephrased. Useless Fodder 07:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

As for the number "an" refers to level which is singular but I think level can refer to a plural noun, kind of as in "hive of bees" (you might find some expamples on Google by searching for "level of acquisitions"). As for the parallelism (or lack of) the problem might be one of order. Would it sound better like this?

During this period, defense expenditures underwent exponential growth allowing a rapid expansion of the Armed Forces and an unprecedent level of weapon acquisitions.

BTW, thanks for the barnstar, I'm moving it to my user page if that's ok. --Victor12 15:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

That sentence sounds much better. We'll just leave it in the multiple, I don't think many will notice if was incorrect, anyways. And I was hoping you'd put that thing on there. :) Useless Fodder 17:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Voting for July Peru Project Collaboration

Hi Victor, voting is up for the July Collaboration at Wikipedia:WikiProject Peru. You are welcome to vote.--Jersey Devil 23:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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Better to leave picture sizes unspecified.

Hi, It's better to leave picture size unspecified in the image thumb section (unless the article layout would be completely broken). That way your prefered thumbnail image size is used (see "my preferences"). Cheers Megapixie 02:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, I only set image sizes at the start of an article (and leave it in blank in the text) because that seems to be the convention in Wikipedia. For instance the template of general characteristics for naval ships is set with a 300px image size. Check Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships/Tables. --Victor12 03:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, after Your change I saw post stamps size pictures... AFAIK it's a little bit tricky problem ;) That's why most of pictures in articles have specified size (check it Your self) Radomil talk 19:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Presidents of Peru

As a member of Wikiproject Peru please see the "Presidents of Peru" section at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peru and share your opinion with the project.--Jersey Devil 02:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

My Editor Review

Hi, I just started an editor review at Wikipedia:Editor review/Jersey Devil and am trying to get feedback on my edits. Feel free to leave a review or comment. Thanks and bye.--Jersey Devil 01:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Report of an image

I'm sorry by an ex post facto report. I uploaded the image which you uploaded in Wikipedia to Commons. A place of an image is commons:Image:MiG-23 Flogger G.jpg. If there is a problem, please say. I request it for deletion. --(commons:User:Saburny) saburny 15:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Army, Navy, and Air Force of Peru

Is there any reason why we shouldn't just use the common translation of these three branches? The articles make it clear that they're called Ejército del Perú, Marina de Guerra del Perú, and Fuerza Aérea del Perú, not Ejército Puerano, Marina de Guerra Peruana, and Fuerza Aérea Peruana. --Descendall 00:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. It should be Something "of Peru", because that's exactly what the Spanish translates to. —Mets501 (talk) 03:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The point is that translations don't have to be literal to be correct, actually more often than not literal translations tend to convey wrong meanings or cause confusion among readers who don't speak the original language (Spanish in this case). Furthermore if you want a really exact translations you should have Navy of War of Peru which is clearly confusing (pun unintended). It also goes against Wikipedia conventions as you can see by checking the Army / Air Force / Navy by countries categories. --Victor12 16:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand that we shouldn't always use literal translations. Instead, we should use the translation most commonly used. Obviously, the translation most commonly used for "Marina de Guerra" is "Navy" and not "Maratine War" or whatever the absolute literal translation would be. It would seem to me, however, that the most common translation of Ejército del Perú would be Army of Peru, would it not? I don't think the argument about conventions is all that compelling. Different armys use different names, and that should be reflected in the article names. If the Ecuadorian Army calls themselves the Ejército Ecuatoriano (they do), fine. If the Navy of Egypt calls themselves that, and they apparantly do, that's okay too. --Descendall 21:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

That's the point, the most commonly used translation for Ejército del Perú in English is, by far, Peruvian army. Try for instance a Google search of "Peruvian Army" vs "Army of Peru" (use "" so as to search for the whole expression). The same applies to the other services. --Victor12 22:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't respond right away. I just don't know, nor do I feel particularly strongly about it. I see you copied this into the Peru project page, which was the right thing to do. Hopefully someone else will comment on it. --Descendall 01:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

On Moroccan air Force

Hi, I've just looked it up and it happens you were right about the Moroccan Royal Gendarmerie being independent from the Air Force. Pray make the modifications you judge necessary. regards. vincent_shooter 09:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Official names for Peru

Thank you for your corrections! I've found quechuan name in the respective article in quechuan wiki so I've thought that Piruw Mama Llaqta is the official name.

BTW, don't you find it is very strange that there is no official name for the country in one of its de jure official languages? Don Alessandro 07:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Ludwig van Beethoven as this week's WP:ACID winner

— Pious7_Talk^Contribs 10:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Administrative Divisions

Hey Victor...Rafael here. Thanks for catching my error. The Spanish version of Wikipedia, and my lack of awareness of the change led to my mistake. It is nice to meet a "compatriota."

Gallery

Hey, good suggestion. I moved the gallery to the Lima page. I think that some of the pictures on the Lima page should be moved into the gallery. Also, some photos in Lima really belong in the district pages (like Miraflores). Help with this would be awesome. Rafajs77 04:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Peru article

You're right, in light of the large deal of IP vandalism that the page has gotten in the past few days I'm semi-protecting the article for five days.--Jersey Devil 21:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Good article nomination

hi, it seems you nominated the article, I want you to tell what does this means, and why did you put LONG on the nomination page, thanks --Andersmusician $ 23:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

thanks for all this information, now please tell me, are you a proffesor in pucp --Andersmusician $ 00:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

GA review of Ethelbald of Mercia

Victor, thanks for the GA review of Ethelbald of Mercia. I've started fixing the issues you found and have a couple of questions, which I've left on the talk page; if you could comment there, that would be very helpful. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk) 01:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Victor, just a note to let you know I've done a pass on the article and would appreciate any feedback you have for me. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk) 11:30, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Peru

thanks, I think it was its time to get better --Andersmusician $ 20:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, sounds like a good idea. Keeping it up-to-date manually is a pain.--Jersey Devil 02:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't agree with this, having this the same as Wikipedia:Featured content, would make the process repetitive, some articles, bios, images could be repeated within days or hours. I propose to create a standard log. Although this Template:Random_portal_component may be good 4 the Didya section --Andersmusician $ 17:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Apologizes, now I think Template:Random_portal_component is good, even Featured Portals use them. (I'm now priorizing featured status arrival rather than what I said before) --Andersmusician $ 19:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Though I stil think this shouldn't be used on selected picture & selected Bio maybe. Also these should be updated weekly ('cuz of our limitation) --Andersmusician $ 19:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

A bot would be great for doing something like they do Main Page, but better to start from this now. --Andersmusician $ 19:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Truth and Reconciliation

Hello There! I do believe that former President Valentín Paniagua didn't agreed with several of the conclusions of the so-called "Truth and Reconciliation Commission". Unfortunately President Alejandro Toledo used the Commission as a political tool against former Presidents García and Fujimori, while at the same time ignoring its real purpose. Messhermit 14:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Something that is also unfortunate is that left leaning wikipedist keep hiding the truth, portraying Archbishop Cipriani as someone that has a total lack of respect towards Human Rights. Most of my editions consist in removing this type of propaganda that doesn't help to our country at all. Messhermit 14:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

So we should "assume" that he fully endorse it? Messhermit 14:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

My only concern is to balance those type of articles. As I explained to you before, foreign-born Wikipedist that don't have knowledge in this particular topic usually portray the Peruvian State as the responsible for the violence. In that particular article, Descendall (the creator of the article) is clearly a Sendero apologist, and the article needed to be balanced. If you can modify what I state it to sound a little bit less conflictive, I think that would be great. Messhermit 15:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I added more sources. Hopefully, this would help the article. Do you have any opinion or comment regarding the neutrality of the article? At least for me its not balanced at all.Messhermit 15:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

About featured pics related to Peru (4 the portal)

well that'd be hard to say, since wikipedia pictures are not categorized by topic (they're categorized by license), instead on Commons these are, although Commons:Commons:Wikiproject Peru has a lot of work on Categorization, there are some nice pics we could gather. (See Image:Alpamayo.jpg)--Andersmusician $ 20:28, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Portal news

Thanks, I usually try and mix the news up a bit with Spanish and English sources (since most people in the project speak Spanish anyway). Another, more practical, reason for it is just that there isn't that much good news coverage of Peru in English language sources. For instance, I was searching for an English language source to try and find a story on the recent bomb that the Shining Path set off in Peru and all I found was two newspapers with paragraph long stories on it. Anyway, I'm about to add a few more stories for the news right now. Maybe about 3 from English sources.--Jersey Devil 04:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar for Victor12's merit

Thank you for your interactions with me the other day in our Portal, Well I am assuming that you have been born in Perú and that you are Peruvian, isn't it? Let me know. The image is not really that important; it was a good excuse to get to know some of you. However, your last contributions in the List of Peruvians, whether or not you are a Peruvian and regardless of any of your personal affiliations, you still have done the right thing, as an universal and neutral Wikipedian should do with respect and diligence. Please, Keep Going in this way. -John Manuel-"-Todos Llegan de Noche, todos se van de día" 18:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

PD. Victor12, I did not put your barnstar in your user page because I did not want to disrupt your page layout, but I think that you would like to do it yourself. have fun. -"-Todos Llegan de Noche, todos se van de día" 18:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Peru GA on hold

 GA on hold — Notes left on talk page. Nehrams2020 18:08, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Jorge Chavez

Hey Victor! I started a talk page for Jorge Chavez. Please check into the way the article is written.Rafajs77 20:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

• The page re-write you did looks spectacular, and reads well too! Awesome...thanks! Rafajs77 20:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Romanian Land Forces

Hi! The Romanian Land Forces article has been nominated again for GA. If you have some free time, could you please review it? The article was nominated again 10 days ago and nobody showed interest in reviewing it. Best regards, Eurocopter tigre 13:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Sure --Victor12 15:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiThanks

Great! You truelly deserve a WikiThanks!! Eurocopter tigre 20:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for all the constructive criticisms and comments -- this helps a lot. I will try do implement a few of the reccomendations, time permitting. Just one point I would argue with (regarding World War I): despite the similarity in names, the Battle of Mărăşti and the Battle of Mărăşeşti were two separate battles, in two separate towns. Turgidson 03:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Have you seen the new lead section?? Please have a look and say your opinion about it. Cheers, Eurocopter tigre 15:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Just copyedited the lead, you might have a look on it. Another question, is it ok if I leave the name of the HQ city linked in the heading? For example: 1st Territorial Army Corps "General Ioan Culcer" Bucharest. Eurocopter tigre 16:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, but the army corps should be typed bigger than the brigades. How can I do that if the army corps aren't sections? Eurocopter tigre 17:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Is there anything else that should be done in the article?? Best, --Eurocopter tigre 16:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, you can have a look again. There are some points that I'm disagree with you and I left some comments on the talk page. Cheers, Eurocopter tigre 20:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Sargon of Akkad

Please re-review. I have made all the changes you requested, though I regard some of them as stylistic preferences and not proper bars to GA status. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 04:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Made your final requested changes. Please pass as GA. Thanks. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Indonesia promoted to FA...

I just saw that Talk:Indonesia suggests the article has been promoted to FA status. Is that correct? I don't know much about the promotion process, but I thought this was a job Raul did. Anyway, if it is indeed correct, then it is good news for me. kind regards. Merbabu 03:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Minoan eruption

Hi Victor. First of all, thank you for giving such a detailed review of the article. How you have the time is beyond me. I can barely keep up with my watchlist. At any rate, these two points confuse me about your review:

• Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space -   between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 5 mm, use 5 mm, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 5 mm.
• Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), please spell out source units of measurements in text; for example, the Moon is 380,000 kilometres (240,000 mi) from Earth. Thus, instances such as 60 m or 7-11 cm or 30-35 km should be corrected

I understand what to do with numbers now, but I don't get the "spell out source units". I went to the MOS, and it's not clear. I think what you're saying is if the reference is using kilometers, I should spell out kilometers instead of using km. That's not very logical to me, but I might be misunderstanding it. Kilometers = km, in almost every language. Orangemarlin 02:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Victor, I've completed the edits per your suggestions. It reads much better now, I really appreciate your suggestions. I know it took a lot of your time, so it really helped me. I'm not a vulcanologist nor an archaeologist, so this was a learning experience for me. Anyways, if you could review it one more time and possibly move it to GA, that would be great.Orangemarlin 15:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Victor, thank you for your review and making this article GA. It is my first, and I'm quite proud of how several editors dug in to clean up what was a terrible mess when I found it. Again, thanks. Orangemarlin 03:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Edits to Adrian S. Fisher Article

Hello Victor. Your editing comments are superb, and I have incorporated all of your comments and suggestions. Please review at your convenience. I was in Lima and Iquitos last year, and will now have the opportunity to study more about Peru through your articles. Best regrds, Sclarkson 02:42, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Peru

The tanks, armored vehicles and armed manpower around the Palace in Lima were interesting to say the least. It was pre-election and everyone's nerves were on edge. The Amazon River was in the middle of drought (still is, apparently) and very (dangerously) low. I loved it! Sclarkson 00:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Edits of June 2

I have incorporated your additional suggestions of June 2. Sclarkson 06:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Victor, your guidance and comments were greatly welcomed, and I appreciated the time you took to add your insights. Best wishes. Sclarkson 05:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Palace of Government Photos

Hi, do you have by any chance a good pic of the Peruvian Government Palace. The current one does not look so good and its copyright tag is deprecated. Having seen your great pics, I thought you may have a better one. Greetings, --Victor12 02:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

• I added three, they are now in my personal gallery of photos that I have uploaded...take your pick! I like the night shot (palacenight.JPG) and the one from the Archbishop's Palace (Palaceangle.JPG). There is also a shot from the front (palacefront.JPG). Let me know which one you like best. Rafajs77 08:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, I've used them all in the Peruvian Government Palace and Peru articles, thanks a lot. Now for a second favor, do you have any pic of the front of Torre Tagle Palace? The one we have now [1] is quite a good shot but it is in low-res and has a deprecated copyright tag. Greetings, --Victor12 13:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• Can you believe that it didn't dawn on me that I don't have a photo of Torre Tagle, until you asked? I do, however, have many other photos of Lima and Cusco, as well as photos of Ica and beach communities on the Panamericana that I plan to add...I will let you know when they are up and maybe we can figure out how to incorporate them into other articles. Thanks.Rafajs77 10:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, keep up the good work. Greetings, --Victor12 12:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

discusion PEru en wikipedia español

Hi victor12, why is it that you are not likely to register on the spanish wikipedia, you will make great help! --Andersmusician $ 02:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

¿Cómo estás? - how are you?

Victor, We have acknowledged that your account's profile does not have an email, there is a bunch of people including me, that would like to establish private communication with you via email. Can you updade your profile by adding an email address, so we can do just that? there are important issues to discuss, all of which, necessarily needs to be put out from these pages entirely.

Sincerely, -"-Todos Llegan de Noche, todos se van de día" 01:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

PD. "Andrés Avelino Cáceres es la prueba que Perú nunca perdió la guerra con Chile". You will see how many will jump now, just watch, and you will see what I mean. -"-Todos Llegan de Noche, todos se van de día" 01:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

A bunch of people? Really? Anyway, I've just confirmed my email address to wikipedia, so you can write me now. Greetings, --Victor12 01:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Seriously and for real, thanks -"-Todos Llegan de Noche, todos se van de día" 12:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Viceroyalty of New Castile

The Viceroyalty of Peru was first called Viceroyalty of New Castile, look here:

• http://facstaff.elon.edu/lunsford/peru/lima.html
• http://www.oneworld-publications.com/books/texts/argentina-chapter.htm
• german book: Kleine Geschichte des Kolonialismus, Wolfgang Reinhard, 1996

--80.109.37.211 19:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, "Nueva Castilla" (New Castille) was the name of the Governorship granted to Francisco Pizarro at the Capitulación de Toledo in 1529. The Viceroyalty was only created by the Crown in 1542 by the Leyes Nuevas (New Laws). By that time Pizarro had died and the New Castille governorship was transformed into the Viceroyalty of Peru. So, while there was a New Castille Governorship which included part of the territory of the future Viceroyalty, the latter was created as Viceroyalty of Peru, not as Viceroyalty of New Castille.

As for your sources, I've checked the two websites and they seem barely credible as they don't cite any primary source (or even secondary ones). I could point you to several sources to back my point. I'll present a couple of them, the first one is the Instruction sent to Blasco Núñez Vela, the first viceroy of Peru and the second is an account by Diego Fernandez (also known as "el Palentino") of the Leyes Nuevas (New Laws) of 1542. As you can see, both of them are primary sources:

Blasco Núñez Vela, nuestro virrey y gobernador de la provincia del Perú y presidente de nuestra audiencia real...

— El Príncipe, Instrucción al Virrey Blasco Núñez Vela (1543)

Blasco Núñez Vela, our Viceroy and Governor of the province of Peru and president of our Royal Audience...

— The Prince, Instruction to Viceroy Blasco Núñez Vela (1543)

Asimismo [en 1542] se proveyó que hubiese nueva Audiencia en el Perú, y en ellas cuatro oidores y un presidente con título de visorrey y capitán general...

— Diego Fernández, Historia del Perú (1571)

Furthermore, [in 1542] it was provided that there be a new Audience in Peru, and in it four cuatro judges and a president with title of viceroy and generla capitan...

— Diego Fernández, Historia del Perú (1571)

The translations are mine, so they are kind of rough, but you see the point. Greetings, --Victor12 00:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

your additions to Peru

Hi, just to tell you that you made good citations to the Peru article, and just wanted to know if these refs (have been/should be) added also to the main subarticles, thanks --Andersmusician $ 02:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, they haven't been added to subarticles yet. You can do so if you want, allthough the text they are attached to would probably need to be changed so it is not repeated. --Victor12 02:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Odiame

Victor12, Please, when you have a chance, can you drop at my talk page the lyrics of the Vals "Odiame", make sure not to clutter my page thanks; ah... since you state in user page to "feel free" to leave any comments; therefore, I do: What precisely makes you feel, and think that you are a libertarian? Just Curious. Greetings. John Manuel -"-Todos Llegan de Noche, todos se van de día" 16:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

hi, I am having trouble with the spanish wikipedia, something about you might be familiar with --Andersmusician $ 00:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

This made me laugh

Check out this Rfa: Q: What admin work do you intend to take part in? A: Music related articles, neutrality of articles involving rivalry between Perú and Chile. The user is a new member of the wikiproject. :)--Jersey Devil 21:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess I'm still learning what makes a stub

I trust your judgement and will read up on stubs. Please feel free to remove the stub tag. I am hoping to eventually achieve GA status with this article. Thanks for the suggestions. NathanCraig 02:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Peru - New map and Administrative Divisions

Victor12, First, great work on the Peru article; your contributions of late have made a noticable improvement in both the format and the content. I noticed your new Administrative Divisions map, which is a great improvement over the good map that was already there. Your Edit Summary at the time you added the new map said "no need for the list now". While I see where you're coming from, I'd like to suggest that a list is still pretty useful. It offers the full list, obviously, but it also alphabetizes and provides an obvious link to the appropriate admin division article. You're obviously out front on this article, so it is your call, but I actually think that the article would benefit from having both the list and the image. - Thaimoss 01:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Tamborero

I have to say I was completely stymied when I got that speedy message. I created that article by redirecting it; it's the word for someone who plays the instrument I redirected it to. A third party then deleted my redirect and copy-pasted whatever you found. I reverted it back to my redirect. Chubbles 02:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Playa Grande beach

I looked at the link and I got something entirely in Spanish. As the article was in English, it seemed implausible that it would be a direct copyright violation. If I'm missing something, please don't hesitate to let me know. theProject 03:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Sukhoi Su-25

Hi Victor, do you have some time to help copyediting the Su-25 article? I've become the major editor of it and I need some help, as I did outstanding efforts to improve it in the past few weeks. The article is also under A-class review on WPMILHIST, you might also want to throw-in your opinion. Cheers, --Eurocopter tigre 16:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Serious

Victor12, my idea is not to cause you any trouble but this is very serious matter, put attention., I need to know some information from you: What do you think about this statement? ..."Jaja, uds los catolicos me dan risa, apestan". Are you supporting or encouraging this kind of behavior, This was wrote in this English Version of Wikipedia other things are done as well in here and in other versions. Please, respond as soon as you can. Thank you. John Manuel-18:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

This is simple: do you support or not this statement: "Jaja, uds los catolicos me dan risa, apestan" or you would write it in here in Wikipedia, for whatever reason or encourage somebody to write it for you or befriending somebody that hold these views. This is a question, please explain your moral position. This statement has been written and it is documented. I need to know your documented position about these misbehaviors. John Manuel-18:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean you not have an answer? Would you be OK then with any offense written in this noble project? I have asked you a direct and simple question, by no answering it or presenting problems to answer such strait question, you are indicating that you have difficulties to declare your position on this simple but moral subject. you have all the rights for be the way you are Victor12 and you deserve respect for your opinions, well if they were not harming anyone or anything altogether, but for now your position is understood as: You don't have an answer and even if you would have one you do not want to answer it. It is fine, be this documented in here for further analysis and please be in peace with your conscience then, best regards. John Manuel-18:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Request and comment

Hi there: In public places, you ought to respect people, My comments or posts define who I am, I am not taking nothing from you by doing this, I am exposing, reinforcing with analogies my points to improve the articles in question and of my expertise and interests based upon a profound experience and professional knowledge. When we disagree. Lets give time to the disagreement in question, and it will be resolved between or among of the many. It is the most natural thing between editors, friction and struggles not to be a winner but not make the best out of our editions. The thing or knot of the moment eventually will be resolved, but lets put our best intentions on this Victor12, I promise it will be better. The whole point is that you are not used to do this, it is OK up to certain point, up to the point in which precisely you start making irrational demands over my posts or the posts of anybody that happens to do not agree with you. Isn't it? Can you explain why it is not? You could be more polite, of course, you don't need to, but if your intention really were to learn my reasoning or my positions, i.e., to cooperate then you attitude necessary should be different and you were making clear efforts to do so.

• So my question for you, now with the purpose of working together perhaps not in total peace but for reaching excellence is: Would you like to cooperate to improve the Articles of interests, yes or not? In any case, answer this if what you really want were to collaborate. Just, one thing, don't blame me for your inability to read or lack of patience for understanding insightful posts, short spam attention or ADD sometimes is caused by stress or other psychological anomalies, I advise you to check with your doctor, just in case. Regards, I have tremendous faith that we can work together, if you were not understanding this message, just let me know, I will further parse it for you. Now, enjoy and please kindly answer this question as a Wikipedian.

Nota bene: Before, judging please contemplate the question, why this individual is devoting time to write and explaining to me all this? I am sure that you understand that I value my time equal than yours. I do this because, it will save us more time in the future. But this is my last effort with you, I still assuming good faith in your case.

John Manuel -14:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

OK Just observed that other users would take your request as a personal offense, I hope you can see this. For example, some users are Propellers of Trolls, e.g., there is this 80 years old, IEEE fellow and professor emeritus, explaining a very difficult theory and comes this guy and write back, "please limit you comments up to the point", how do you think the other person will feel or think? Of course he with his experience and as a professor would try to explain the behavior, but the other guys who care less about the complicated subject denies all responsibility and continue to write short and provocative answers, saying you are difficult to follow and obscure and making seen stupid. The purpose in this case is clear: No matter who you are I have the power to put you down under my knees. In fact we have these cases frequently, in which many individuals participate against one individual, meatpuppets, another, it is when a Microsoft paid espresso blogger was deleting editions according to the convenience of this company. That is why we should be always vigilant, one thing is a vandal another is a set of well organized team of meatpuppets or advertisers. Neither of which I think you are Victor12; therefore, as you have done the RfC, I will accept the determination, it is not a big deal. The other cases: Peru blue map has bad labels need to go, and the other it is about the 7 new wonders of the world or the new seven wonders of the world. This last it is another problem, and I don't see any consensus, the rantings have been in the talk page of the New seven ... since last year and are long and important. I am working on it but not much either. Take a look on both, when you can perhaps we would new more RfCs. John Manuel-14:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sukhoi Su-25

As you are one of the contributors to the Sukhoi Su-25 article, please feel free to leave your comment/opinion at the WPMILHIST A-class review of the article. Thanks! --Eurocopter tigre 14:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Victor, would it be posible for you to finish the lead in the Sukhoi Su-25 article in the near future? I think it should be about twice bigger than how it is now. Thanks! --Eurocopter tigre 13:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, your help is precious! --Eurocopter tigre 19:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Peru News

Hi Victor, do you know any source for the news I added at Portal:Peru? --Andersmusician VOTE 03:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Nominating Peru for FA

Hi Victor, great job. Now wait and see what happens--ErickAgain 20:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Belarus

Sorry I got to it late; anyways, I took your suggestions and changed the sections you mentioned and reduced the external links by half. I admit Belarus does get a lot of link spam. However, I only cropped the politics section by a few sentences, since the situation there is confusing if I crop out more. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 21:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments; you're welcome to look at it again at anytime (including now :) ). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 21:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Larco Museum

Hi Victor, I´m currently in Lima working on the wikipedia page for the Larco Museum. Perhaps you can lend me your expertise and guide me through building this page. I would love some help as I am a new Wikipedian! Thanks Lyndsayruell 21:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

A question

Hi, I am looking to create an article like Allegations of Brazilian apartheid but for the Peruvian case, do you think there would be enough sources on this, or is it a bad idea? --Andersmusician VOTE 16:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

=Jorge Basadre=

Hey man I was about to create it. I can't believe there wasn't an article about him yet --Andersmusician VOTE 23:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

About the Inca Empire

Hi Victor12 and thanks 4 the welcome! Please I will clarify that there are reference that wiphala was used as a special flag. But I will write the info tomorrow (I don't have more time right now). Thanks.--Kanon6917 03:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

• Hi again Victor12, in this weekend I'm going to improve a little the content of the article Inca Empire (and maybe some others like: Sapa Inca), but I want to ask u a little favor: Maybe in some edits I will make some mistakes... like in grammar or vocabulary, because my English is not in a professional level XD, please (if u could) correct the mistakes that you can find in my improving of the text. Thanks. Muxos Salu2! =)--Kanon6917 01:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Smile!

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-WarthogDemon 00:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a little bit of random wikilove. Hope I didn't offend. :) -WarthogDemon 06:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Flavian Amphitheatre

We obviously disagree on the level of background detail that is desirable in an article, but I don't see that either of us is convincing the other with our arguments and I don't want to turn this article into a battleground for our opposing views. I'd like to bring the topic up somewhere it will get a wider audience, so we can get a consensus on what level of background we want in Wikipedia articles. Unfortunately, I'm not available much in the next ten days which is something of a problem in that regard. If you don't feel the article is FA-worthy I'd appreciate it if you could oppose, so the FA director can make a decision on whether to promote or fail the article based on the opinions given. It will then be an interesting example for the wider discussion. Yomangani^talk 23:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

No, don't worry, a civil disagreement over an issue that is unclear is how it is supposed to work round here. If we could have more of that I probably wouldn't be fed up. I appreciate your input even though I disagree with most of it. Yomangani^talk 00:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Peru article new FA status

Great man you did it, at least most of it, sorry I couldn't help that much.--Andersmusician VOTE 04:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Peru article

I've semi-protected it for 1 day.--Jersey Devil 03:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm on IRC right now if you want to talk.--Jersey Devil 20:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator election

The Military history WikiProject coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting nine coordinators from a pool of fourteen candidates to serve for the next six months. Please vote here by August 28! Eurocopter tigre 10:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Peru national football team

Hello Victor. I got your message and I'm going to try doing this peer-review thing for the article. I'm not really quite sure how to do it, but I'll give it a minor try nevertheless. Although, I would appreciate it if you could do the peer-review request in case I'm not able to do it myself. Once more, thank you. MarshalN20 18:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the help. Here's the introduction you requested: "The Peru national football team article has been greatly improved since the last check was done. At the moment, Peru's football article actually stands out as looking as one of the best. Yet, the most serious problem that prevented the article from being considered for something much better has been the lack of citations several parts of the article has (Which is mainly a problem that roots itself not from false statements, but rather from the lack of citations the Spanish article from which the information was taken had). Football is the most popular sport of Peru, so lets show Wikipedia that a great article can be made about the nation's team." MarshalN20 18:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Peruvian earth quake 2007

i would like to know how many people have to die and be injured or otherwise effected to make it due to talk about such an event in History? This question is serious. how do you evaluate this? gracias http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Stefanbcn

at least an link to http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/2007_Peruvian_earthquake should be possible, no? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.57.7.217 (talk) 18:54, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Hello, the problem here is that you have to see things in a historic way. The History section of Peru summarizes thousands of years of history in a few paragraphs. To achieve that only the most important events in Peruvian history are mentioned. So, if you want to add something new you have to ask first whether it is as important as the facts that are already in there. This latest earthquake is certainly news this days but is it a really important historical event? I think not, as far as earthquakes go, Peru has had several more damaging ones, for instance in 1687, 1746 and 1970. And not even those are mentioned in the article because their importance is minor compared to that of historical events already in the article. To add a reference to this year quake would incur in WP:Undue weight and WP:RECENTISM. Greetings --Victor12 19:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the answer, from an historic point of view of several thousend years you might be right, but that on the page of Peru in english nothing can be found about this is strange. Where do you think is then the appropriate place to better put the link to the existing earth quake page, the peru portal?, only the local pages of the town and federal admimnistrations in wikipedia? Please, could you answer the question of numbers given above! How a historian mesures the magnitud of impact of political dicisions in comparison to the effect of natural disasters? i personal feel very strange to see than ten of thousend of people died and Millions were affected in the 1970 and there is nothing written on this here.thanks anyway for the WP:Undue weight and WP:RECENTISMlinks which i did not know (the Problem of)recentism does not seem to exist i german nor in spanish.

But i feel that at least existing pages of historic events schould be linked in the timescale or from main historic pages (eg. 190 earth quake from main page of history in peru. to make it easier to find. this way "undue weight" could be avoided at least i the main article.WP:RECENTISM contains as well several good reasons to include 2007 peruvian earth quake in the peru history article, i feel. may be not in the peru article itself. stefanbcn 62.57.7.217 20:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Let me see if I get all your questions

• Where do you think is the appropriate place to put the link to the existing earth quake page? The article is currently linked from Portal:Peru as well as the articles Chincha Alta, Ica (city), Pisco, Peru, Pisco Province and Ica Region which were the most affected areas. It is also linked from the History of Peru article per your recent addition. As this article is not in a very good state I won't contest that, otherwise I'll have to correct the whole article for which I don't have enough time currently. The Peru article, on the other hand is a FA quality article and should be kept as such. For that reason "undue weight" is unacceptable in it. It seems we agree on this last point.
• How a historian mesures the magnitud of impact of political dicisions in comparison to the effect of natural disasters? To measure the effect of this events you have to measure their impact on society. For instance, in the case of the 1970 earthquake it is true that there were heavy casualties and damage, especially in Ancash. However, you must ask, what was it's impact on society? Is the Peruvian society significantly different because of this quake? Did it change its history in any meaningful way? Now compare it to contemporary political events. In the early 1970s Peru was ruled by a revolutionary military government which undertook sweeping reforms in almost all areas of the Peruvian society and nation. The impact of this changes in the whole country is still felt today. For that reason the History section on the Peru article talks about this government but not of the earthquake.

I'm not sure if I have answered all your questions (i haven't sleep enough this past days so forgive me if i have not). Feel free to ask again if you have more doubts and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Greetings, --Victor12 01:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Victor12, i understand that you feel aspecially responsable to keep up the FA quality of this article. on the spanish wiki they have found quite a good solution i feel, they make a special section in Geography taking about sismics and earthquakes, that is where earth quakes fit very good i feel. Could you agree on this? The only diffrence is that right at the index you find terremotos within geography chapter as it is an detailed chapter index. Why did you choose the abbreviated chapter index for the english wikipedia of peru? To me more well structured details helps a lot finding fast the info you are seraching for. edit: only after finishing this text i saw that rewriting the chapter index would imply as well changing the whole structure of the text. The two main texts on peru (spanish ad english) can not be compared as the spanish text is much larger and hence requires mor "internal chapter structering" which lead thanks to wikipedia to a nice index. So one has to hope that the reader knows t generalize or categorizes without hints and that he has to search in geography section for earth quakes.

i do fully agree on your measurement of social impact. I remember some 10 years ago i spoke to a peruvian girl in a german train which never wanted go back to the peruvian areas of high earth quake danger afer having suffered once the experience (may be the 1970 one.) . So these things have a long lasting and traumatic impact on hundred thousends of people in this area. and in case of severe damage as well economic and social impact , where they lose everything similar to a civil war or a war, where you loose as well family, loved ones and friends. gracias 62.57.7.217 17:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC) stefanbcn http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Stefanbcn

Hello, the structure of the Peru article is based on guidelines set by Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries. It uses summary style, that is, only the most important facts in each section are mentioned, for other details there's a link to a main article at the start of each section. Furthermore, in the See also section there is a template about Topics of Peru where several Peru-related articles are linked. It seems to me this is a better solution than the one implemented at the Spanish Wiki, because it makes for a smaller and more orderly article which is easy to read to its full extent on a computer screen without tiring the reader. BTW, I'm glad we agree on the measurement of social impact :-) Saludos, --Victor12 18:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Heath Pampas

Sorry, yeah, I guess you are right. Feel free to retag, but I'd rather not be the one to delete. Thanks. J Milburn 15:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

OK...!!! =)

OK thanks! It's really important the scale Top for the article about Machu Picchu, every one know that is our best cultural contribution for the world. Another thing I want to ask you, is I you can propose (please) for the next colaboration effort (in Peru Wikiproject) the article about Inca Empire. I consider it should need an improvement, but I don't speak a good english to propose it, I think. Please do me that little favor! =)--Kanon6917 00:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi

He hasn't been exactly very polite to me...

But yes I'll try to tone it down. Isn't there a way to report this issue to someone else with equal power on the site?

68.179.176.9 14:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Edward

What if he simply doesn't answer indefinitely? Does he have to actually agree in writing? Either way, hopefully you can use the sources I have provided provided better than I can since I'm not a registered user. Thanks.

68.179.176.9 15:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Edward

Peruvian Coins

I just fixed the UR's for these images. But feel free to double check me! -- But|seriously|folks  01:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I'm happy to help out. Take care! -- But|seriously|folks  01:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Spanish Empire Discussion

Hi, just asking if you made any progress. I tried looking for some maps today but I couldn't find any of the Spanish Empire between 1580 and 1640, however I did find another one that is sort of the opposite of what I was looking for. Details in the discussion page.

68.179.176.9 16:28, 19 September 2007 (UTC)Edward

Well, I had enough time between classes to day to squeeze in another source that clearly backs our argument. This guy isn't going to give in ever though, thus I think we should brng in mediation. I'm sure they would find our argument much more convincing. Before though, I'm thinking of going to a much larger library downtown to look for a few maps as well. I'm finding it very hard to find one that is between 1580-1640 (most of them seem to be c. 1560 or 1648). 68.179.176.9 16:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)Edward

Of course, no hurry here :). I'm also very busy. I did think of that when looking for a map, but I thought a map specifically about the Spanish empire in a date between 1580 and 1640 would include it. As I have said though, there aren't any between those dates, in the books I have checked at least. I'll keep looking for one, since it's the only way I can see to convince him without having to resort to mediation. 68.179.176.9 23:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)Edward

Went to the library downtown today. Wasn't very hard to find the maps I was looking for, only took me half an hour to find 5 maps. If he keeps insisting (which sadly he will, I could tell from the beginning he would deny it till the end) I'll gladly go back and get more, it wasn't very hard :). And if it comes to it, we'll just use mediation which will undoubtedly support our argument unless they're also Portuguese nationalists. 68.179.176.9 22:02, 29 September 2007 (UTC)Edward

Well, I'm not really compromising. You can't compromise' history, we need the truth. Rather I'm using this as a step in the right direction. Once this new map is up the question will be: If Portugal, the base of the empire, is included, why aren't its territories? Rather simple and easy to argue I think. 68.179.176.9 17:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)Edward

"we need the truth" .... from WP:V - The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick ^t 20:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I know. I'll abide by Wiki rules, don't worry. Cheers, --Victor12 20:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Meteor columns

Thanks... I'm at 1600 wide, so I always forget that. • Lawrence Cohen 05:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

In The News section

Hi Victor12, about Fujimori's extradition in the main page, they say it is not common to have two blurbs about a same country on ITN, so removing the meteorite event while adding Fujimori would be an option. What do you think? --Awkawasi 23:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Peruvian Nuevo sol and Images of coins

Hi Victor, could you check out my talk page to see what is wrong with the images of the peruvian coins i uploaded? I´m still working my way back to Lima from Iquitos and don´t have much time to reply. I hope we can keep them on the Peruvian nuevo sol article. Back on wiki in octobre. I see you´re an TWinkle fan also now :) --ErickAgain 27 setiembre 2007, 14.20 PET. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.42.17.137 (talk) 19:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Nepal FAR

I am looking to more involved in the FAR and FAC process and I agree with your points on Nepal. But what's the next step? I agree with your criticisms but on the FAR are we discussing how to improve, or voting to remove? There are some obvious formatting problems I can fix straight away, and possibly copy editing. I took Indonesia to FAC, but do not have the same subject knowledge of Nepal. regards --Merbabu 02:40, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Inca empire, incan agriculture

Hi again Victor12! Could u please help me in correct the mistakes of this section: Incan agriculture#Agricultural technologies, also could u translate this few words: El agua no debe empozarse más de un día por temor a podrir los sembríos. En sus bordes crecen pastos consumidos por el ganado que actualmente aprovechan las cochas abandonadas. Thanks!--Kanon6917 18:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

• PS:Also, I will propose the article Inca Empire as Peru Article Improvement Drive. Please if made any mistake, could you please correct it? Thanks again =)

Belarus

I am about halfway done fixing your comments; I still have a list I need to do. I am still on the hunt for new books, since at the time I wrote the article in early 2007, late 2006, I never used Google Books at all. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 19:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I found some more books and replacing some of the earlier links. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 22:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I am done with what you mentioned. I still know about the books and I had at least three editors deal with the prose. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 00:57, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I responded to you at the FAC. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 22:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I am doing the things you mentioned, but as I am trying to get at; the history of Belarus and the GDL and the LT-PL Commonwealth are intertwined. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Since it seems that grammar is most of my issues now, I am going to enlist some help. I am going to explain at the FAC page. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 08:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Another thing, how do I format the citation of a book that I have used more than once, but different pages? Thanks. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 13:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Template nominated for deletion

Hi Victor, you agree with the following? please add a comment for either keep or delete. Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Navigation_Peru_and_Template:Navigation_Brazil. --ErickAgain 11:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC).

¿Como puedo unirme al Wikipedia:WikiProject Peru?

Hola Victor12, como habras visto, estoy revisando y editando los articulos relacionados a la Fuerzas Armadas Peruanas, y estoy interesado en unirme al Wikipedia:WikiProject Peru ¿Podrias explicarme como y en que forma puedo contribuir?

Gracias de antemano!

Saludos Cloudaoc 03:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Your GA review of Kiev Expedition (1018)

Thank you, replied at talk.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  22:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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Well done Victor. You have earned yourslef the pictured slot. Enjoy, we always need more Peruvian content on the main page. Happy editing, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Peruvian Navy enlisted rate insignia

A tag has been placed on Peruvian Navy enlisted rate insignia, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing no content to the reader. Please note that external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article don't count as content. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. TomStar81 (Talk) 01:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Salamis

Just a reminder that this GAN has been on hold for more than seven days. Lara❤Love 04:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Otomat

I wish to inform you user Stefanomencarelli presents his theories about posting on wikipedia here in Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Stefanomencarelli/Workshop and Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Stefanomencarelli/Evidence. --EH101 22:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Could you comment...

At Talk:Kiev_Expedition_(1018)#Non-neutral_.2F_non-reliable_sources_given. I don't think either of the two raised issues are serious enough to destabilize the GA, but they need to be addressed - and neutral editors comments would help.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

History of Lima

Hi Victor12, I wonder if you might review the translation of History of Lima that I made into Spanish. I am almost finishing it; there is only one section pending for translation, the "Republican period" one. As I am not an expert in that field I must have made mistakes when translating. So I ask you to help me with Historia de Lima in order to meet the good-article criteria, which is my intention. Thank you. --Guillermo Awkawasi 21:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I checked the article and made a few corrections. Let me know when you are done translating the rest. --Victor12 23:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your corrections. I have just finished the translation, your review is needed before any attempt to nominate it as a good-article will be done. Let me tell you I added a bibliographical reference that state Municipal Palace was built on 1944. --Guillermo Awkawasi 06:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Great work! I have made a few fixes so I'd say its ok to nominate it now. --Victor12 22:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Finally, after have been wating for more than a week and as it was obvious, they approved the article. It was a complete mess a month ago and now is a good article, thank you very much for your help and congratulations for your great job on Wikipedia. --Guillermo Awkawasi 17:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Cool! --Victor12 (talk) 16:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

GA tag at Austria-Hungary

Thanks for fixing it, I didn't know how to do it. Squash Racket 05:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

No prob. --Victor12 13:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

"May we" vs. "let us"

As an native speaker of English and weak speaker of Spanish, I just want to help you understand the difference. I'm more than happy to let you manage the translation. "May we xxxx" is religiously neutral, and expresses a wish for "xxxx" to occur. "Let us xxxx" sounds more like asking of permission, and is usually thought of as praying to God for "xxxx" to occur.Kww (talk) 00:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I was thinking along the same lines when I made the revert: "Let us" as an equivalent of Permítanos ("Permit us") whereas Seámoslo does not imply any outside intervention. It means something like "Let's be so" or "May we be so". --Victor12 (talk) 01:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Russia

I have addressed the issues you opened on talk.--Miyokan 01:52, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

T:DYK.

On January 2, 2002, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Regions of Peru, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Happy new year, and congratulations! · AndonicO ^Talk 12:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Mountain God

Hi! I created a page about a Pervian mountain spirit called Apus. Here is link to the page: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Mountain_god Would you mind cleaning it up or editing it? And changing the title? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 23:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:Pcpnovote

The image was taken from crsp.org, a site that is now down. --Soman (talk) 22:22, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify, Soman is almost certainly talking about csrp.org, a site which is still up. --Descendall (talk) 02:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I think he meant that the materials section is currently down, it currently has a "Materials Page Currently Under Revision" message. --Victor12 (talk) 02:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I just realized crsp.org is down, the correct site is csrp.org. --Victor12 (talk) 02:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

In case you are interested at all, those posters (and others) are available here. --Descendall (talk) 05:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! --Victor12 (talk) 12:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

English

Just out of curiosity, where did you learn to speak English so well? I've seen a lot of Latin Americans on wikipedia, but none of them writes flawless English like you. Your user page says En-3, but I'd move that up a bit. You make fewer spelling mistakes than I do, and I'm a university-educated American. --Descendall (talk) 20:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Flawless? LOL You should read the FAC nomination for Peru where I got trounced for my grammar and spelling. Nowadays I use Firefox spellchecker, so now I make fewer mistakes. Also, editing Wikipedia has been a great way of improving my written English. --Victor12 (talk) 20:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I actually checked out the nomination. Those guys are nuts. "'Over the last two centuries' should be 'Over the past two centuries'"??? Give me a break. They wouldn't approve an article if it was written by Shakespeare himself. I worked at Euroidiomas in Camacho and Gringolandia Miraflores and I can tell you that the students in the top level classes write worse than you do. --Descendall (talk) 22:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Actually I live very close to Euroidiomas Gringolandia Miraflores, :-D BTW, it's great to see you back at Wikipedia, WP:PERU has a lot of nominal members but very few active ones. Oh, and thanks for the compliments. --Victor12 (talk) 22:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Help with "Did you know" section candidate

Hi Victor12, how are you? I've just started a new article about the National University of Engineering Faculty of Architecture and I'm writing an entry for the "Did you know" section. I wonder if you could help me with the grammar and spelling. The entry is the following:

• ...that the german architect Walter Gropius visited Peru in order to attend a graduation ceremony at the National University of Engineering Faculty of Architecture in 1953?

Thanks in advance. Guillermo Awkawasi 18:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Seems OK to me, except that "german" should be written with a capital G. However, I've read the article and I haven't been able any reference to Gropius attending a graduation ceremony. Maybe you should put that in the article before submitting this proposal. Alternatively you could submit a DYK entry related to the Faculty's building which seems to be quite interesting even though it's only dealt with briefly. Greetings, --Victor12 (talk) 20:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions. I've corrected a reference and added a new one related to Gropius attending that graduation ceremony. I also added a few information about the building but I'm not sure that submitting an entry about such topic would be insteresting enough to a variety of readers since Fernando Belaunde or Mario Bianco are not as well-known as Walter Gropius. Thank you for copy edited the article, could you please check the syntax of my last edition? (I forgot to log in). Guillermo Awkawasi 19:55, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

No prob, I'll give it another check later today. I'm a little worried about the copyright status of the pics though. The FAUA building pic says its use has been authorized by Proyecto Historia UNI. Do you have a copy of that authorization? It would be quite useful if you post it at commons in case anybody has doubts about the pic. An e-mail signed by Lopez-Soria (is he still running the project?) should be enough. As for the Gropius pic, its description page states its copyright (life of the author plus 70 years) has expired. How can that be if the pic was taken in 1953? --Victor12 (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I uploaded such pictures when I was a beginner, later I realized that their status had to be clarified. Both come from El Aquitecto Peruano magazine, but they don't have any photo credit. It seems that Servicio Aerofotográfico Nacional is the original source of the FAUA building picture. I'm planning to send an email to El Arquitecto Peruano website to ask for permission. Guillermo Awkawasi 20:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Javier Perez de Cuellar

You were incorrect in your removal of those commas in the article. They are indeed necessary. Anytime a full date -- woth month, day and year -- is used within a sentence, the year is to be offset by commas both before and after when the year is not the end of the sentence and, thusly, followed by a period instead.

"The edit was made on February 3, 2008, and again on February 4, 2008."

This represents the correct form. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.214.36 (talk) 04:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:PERU

Thanks for your kind words. As far as I can tell, WP:PERU is virtually defunct. Maybe I'll stop in every now and then, but the frequency of my contributions will dramatically decrease. There is a proposal to do peer review on Shining Path; if that ever takes place I might participate. Anyway, keep up the good work. --Descendall (talk) 17:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't do it just to keep me around. Do it if you are really interested, though. I've also thought about editing the article about the trial of Fujimori, but to be honest, it is such a total mess that I don't know where to start. I'll leave it to someone else. --Descendall (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

clarification

Hi, Victor12. You reverted one of my edits on Peru saying, "removed mestizos from lead to match paragraph below." I'm wondering if you clarify for me what you meant by that. Thanks. ~ UBeR (talk) 18:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

greetings

Hi Victor12, I'm looking for some help parsing some peruvian blogs. Drop me a line if you have time. +sj + 03:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

delete img ?

Hi, I tranfert this picture from en.wikipedia to wikimedia-commons for inclusion to the french wikipedia : Image:Frigate Koni East German.jpg You have import this picture, and so I dont have account on EN wikipedia, can you ask to delete him ? thank you ;) MaxLelubre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.243.232.17 (talk) 20:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello, could you give me a link to the picture? --Victor12 (talk) 21:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Water Resources Management in Peru

Dear Victor12, just wanted to thank you for your comment on the Water Management in Peru article. Please, check also Irrigation in Peru and let me know what you think! Best, anunezsanchez (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 22:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

HMS Cardiff edits

Hi, thanks for editing HMS Cardiff (D108), I just wanted to tell you why I arranged stuff the way I did (not that I have a problem with it being changed, that's the point of the peer review, just wanted you to know what I was thinking). After speaking to users on the FA class article USS Wisconsin (BB-64) here, I tried to put the images by their relevant paragraphs in the sections e.g the 2002 boarding craft picture by the paragraph that discusses the 02/03 armilla patrol. After re-reading Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Images I can see why you removed the image sizes, but would you agree that the Port Howard surrender pic needs to be 300px so that the reader can read the text without having to open the picture in another window?--Ryan4314 (talk) 02:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello, first of all, nice work on the article! As for the images I think the main issue is that there are a lot of pics and a large infobox for a relatively short text so they kind of run into one another or intrude into other sections. That's why I made those moves. There's also a WP:MOS guideline that images should not "sandwich" text as happens in the "Falklands War" section. Of course there are several viewpoints on WP:MOS issues (specially at FAC) so these are not big issues. As for the surrender pic, I find it hard to read it even at 300px but I can see where you are coming from. As I said before, no biggie, feel free to revert the changes you do not find useful. Greetings, --Victor12 (talk) 02:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I've had some sleep now. I'd been working on the rewrite for just over a month now, and got a little sensitive when I saw the big suave of edits lol. Thanks again for your contributions, I looked at your edit history and it's obvious you know what you're doing in relation to ship based articles, I have to make some more relatively big changes to the article now, the "flow" evidently, perhaps you could come back some time, have a look and tell me what you think please :) Ryan4314 (talk) 12:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

No prob... I'll try go through the article again later today. --Victor12 (talk) 14:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 10 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Andean Trade Preference and Drug Eradication Act, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 08:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Regions of Peru

Hello, Victor12. You have new messages at Matthewedwards's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Congratulations once a again on a job well done. --ErickAgain (talk) 17:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC).

Jorge Basadre Grohmann National University

I see that you created a redirect to an article I translated earlier today. Do you think it would be better to move that article over the redirect you created? done

Also, my fluency in Spanish leaves to be desired. Can you check the accuracy of my translation? --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 01:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure. --Victor12 (talk) 15:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Irrigation in Peru

Dear Victor12,

I followed your advice and included page number in the citation for the article Irrigation in Peru. Some of them, however, correspond to information found on a web site. I have included the direct link to the page I found the info but there is no page number since all the info is located on page one. How would you suggest to cite in this case? Thank you.--anunezsanchez (talk) 17:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

That's OK, web pages don't have pages so you don't need to provide a page number. Page numbers are required for books, magazines, pdf documents and the like. --Victor12 (talk) 19:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:BAP_Grau_post-1944.jpg

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5/4 DYK

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--Bedford 20:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Lima Article

Help Victor!...what the hell happened to the article on Lima? Have you seen that it was populated with all sorts of new photos, and boxes asking for citations, and horribly constructed sentences?...it's a mess! Rafajs77 (talk) 03:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK 6/22/08

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--Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 06:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:United Kingdom ambassadors to Peru

I've responded to your latest at WP:CFDS. I didn't realise before that you were the creator and only editor of the category, so yes — there is a way to do this change right away, as I outline there. Thx for your understanding. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Peruvian articles

Hi Victor12. This brief message is to let you know that the article we are talking about is not whatsoever a copy or violation to any other article. I read some books on Peruvian Geography to add some more information on my trip and studies to the Amazon region. Seems to me that the page you are actually citating, did the same thing. That happened to me already before, once they tried to erase a page I've written without noticing that the web page they were talking about actually read wikipedia information before posting those articles into the web, so it was the other way around. Please do the research you actually have to do before deleting any article without previous noticing. Thanks, --Evelyn Zuñiga 22:50, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Did you know?

On 29 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ollantaytambo, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- Sandstein  18:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK candidate Battle of Ollantaytambo

Victor, I enjoyed the article and made comments about minor tweaks on the DYK suggestions page. Cheers, --Rosiestep 23:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Ollantaytambo

On 8 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Battle of Ollantaytambo, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 15:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Lima talk page

lol [1] [2]--Jersey Devil (talk) 15:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

lol again [3]--Jersey Devil (talk) 21:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah and btw thanks for the comment you left on my talk page. Yeah things are going fine here, just waiting for the school year to finally start. You're doing great work on the Peru articles. Keep it up. Later.--Jersey Devil (talk) 03:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

GA review

Talk:Battle of Ollantaytambo/GA1 is the current GA review of the article you nominated. Please do reply. Wandalstouring (talk) 08:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Economy section, Peru article

I am discussing this issue on the talk page of the Peru article if you would like to add your opinion. Vivaperucarajo (talk) 03:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Hemming reference

I'm just going to make a note thst the Hemming refrence is duly noted in the article. For better clarity, I propose syncronizing the note numbers. InternetHero (talk) 03:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Not a good idea as each footnote refers to a different page or pages. --Victor12 (talk) 03:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I know. There is a way to keep them as letters. Look here. Sincerely, InternetHero (talk) 10:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

WikiThanks. Thanks for your work on the Battle of Ollantaytambo an article I was very glad to read. With hopes of more contributions of the same high quality in the area of Inca history.·Maunus·ƛ· 08:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Atahuallpa article

Hi. I saw you made a comment on the talk page for this article. I wonder if you saw my comments on how to improve the article, with more references and material about debates, and if you had a view on that? Merlewood (talk) 12:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK: Jorge Eielson

On 14 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jorge Eielson, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--PFHLai (talk) 16:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On August 17, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pedro Pizarro, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Nrswanson (talk) 19:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Chalaca/Bicycle Kick (help!)

Regularly I would not bother you with something so silly as what I'm about to tell you, but you're one of the few people that can truly help me with this problem. In the Bicycle Kick article, I've been trying to improve the article by including facts about the move in Peru, some history as to how the move developed in Peru, and a series of other things that would greatly benefit the article (with all the necessary sources to prove such things correct). Yet, this other person, who is also editing the article, is constantly attacking the things I wrote for the chalaca (or the section of Peru) and constantly wishes to point out that the move was invented in Chile, and that Chile this, and that Chile that. I personally don't care if the guy is from Chile (I don't have an issue with them, no matter how much he might think I do), but his constant actions have led to a series of problems in there. For instance, yesterday a random IP address began to vandalize (under my opinion) the Peruvian section by deleting sources, re-writing things seemingly to point it out as a lie, etc, etc. When I reported the problem, the IP address was banned from editing; and ironically, when this guy from Chile once again logged into his account, he apparently could not edit anything like in prior days he did. I don't want to claim he was the random IP address that got banned, but I have my suspicions. Also, this morning (August 22) I found out that the had added a series of links allegedly "validating" the claim of several nations calling the move chilena. When I checked these links, they were sports articles that barely mentioned the move as chilena once. Such a thing, at least the way I see it, does not mean a whole nation calls it that way. The link I posted for validating that Colombia and Ecuador were nations that called the move chalaca completely validates it by stating specific places. Not only that, but later this guy from El Salvador comes in there and begins writing that I'm destroying the article. I'm very frustrated by this point. I've put in a lot of my time improving the article, I even added a section for Brazil and Italy, and yet all I get in return is rocks and insults. Like I constantly state in there, it's not my fault I can't find other things validating the opinions of the other sections. Please help me, I need some sort of advice or third opinion in the article, and I trust you are a good and fair judge. Thanks in advance.--MarshalN20 (talk) 14:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

A request for input

A year ago you've promoted Kiev Expedition (1018) to GA. Since then, the article has moved to A-class, but recently it was destabilized with a major rewrite. I am seeking input at Talk:Boleslaw_I's_intervention_in_the_Kievan_succession_crisis,_1018#Please_explain_major_rewrite_in_detail. Your comments would be appreciated.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

NowCommons: Image:Beriev A-50 black & white.jpg

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2008 Peru oil scandal

Thanks for the corrections. I have nominated the article for In The News . Hope will work. Docku:“what up?” 04:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Peru Portal

Hi Victor. Please can you take a look at User:Ericbronder/Sandbox. Will this tackle some problems concerning the featured status for Portal:Peru? --ErickAgain (talk) 13:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC).

Did some prep work for you on Portal:Peru/Selected anniversaries and for geography on Portal:Peru/Selected geography --ErickAgain (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC).

Another idea is Selected battles: Portal:Peru/Selected battles --ErickAgain (talk) 17:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC).

Basic facts & figures box section to be included on Portal page? Could be generic on all country portals by using general icons, see my Sandbox --ErickAgain (talk) 13:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC).

Image permission problem with Image:Mirage2000P.jpg

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History of Lima section

Hello, regarding your recent edit to the history section of the Lima article you seem to have claimed that you were switching text with a referenced summary from the History of Lima article. However, the section which in essence you deleted had already been referenced. Also, in regards to your policy of summarization, Wikipedia:Summary style states that when a section of an article becomes to long that it must be made into it's own daughter article and summarized on the original page. In this case however, the History of Lima article had already existed however was much more lacking in information than the section that you deleted from the Lima article itself. Unfortunately, I have a feeling tFhat many users working on this project prioritze trying go get articles to featured status rather than improve the actual informational accuracy and quality of the article. This is widely exemplified by the unwavering focus on the formatting apect of the articles rather than on their actual content. A user left a comment on the Lima talkpage reading "...the History section is longer than its main article!". I think this generally exemplifies the attitude of some users that rather than enlarge the History of Lima article itself, would rather remove information from the subsection of the Lima article to make it smaller than that of the main article. I understand that the History of Lima article apparently is listed as a good article on the quality scale however I have a belief that this mostly (not entirely) due to it's formating "quality" rather than it's actual content. What I really beleive we should not be doing is deleting information off the encyclopedia. If you wish to summarize for practical reasons I beleive that to a degree that is acceptable however it should be done without the removal of relevant information. When you edited that article however, it shrunk in size almost 10,000 bytes. I can most defenitely say that within those 10,000 bytes contained relevant information. Additionally, I think we should incorporate parts from the previous version of the subsection of the Lima page into the main History of Lima page and start the summarizing from there. Otherwise, I don't think the section needs to be shrunk any more as the article is now only at 63,000 bytes compared to the 119 of London, 96 of Paris, 111 of Sao Paulo, etc. Lima is a capital city article and subsuquently will be considerably long. If any improvement should be made to the article it should be focused on the lead section as according to Levels of desired details this section acts as a "a quick summary of the topic's most important points" something it currently does not. Finally, in response to the history section, the "rules" which are consntantly being referenced to when negatively changing an article, are mostly guidelines and shouldn't "prevent you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia". see Wikipedia:What "Ignore all rules" means My edits to the history section did nothing but improve the article as all they did was add information, and after all information is what this encyclopedia is based on, not formating.

Regards, Vivaperucarajo (talk) 01:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for you comment. I'd really like to agree with you when you say that many WP:PERU users prioritize getting articles to FA status. Unfortunately, most members of the wikiproject are actually inactive and those of us who are active have not been able to make a nomination at WP:FAC in quite a while. In fact, I think the only FA nomination done by members of this wikiproject is that of Peru. Please check Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Peru to see how hard such a nomination can be. BTW, "formating quality" is the easier issue to deal with at WP:FAC.

Now, regarding the Lima article. The previous version of the History section had several serious problems, that's why it had to be changed. Problems included dealing with topics outside the main topic, which is the history of the city; using unreliable sources; making questionable affirmations, rather bad grammar and too much details on minor topics. Let me explain myself with a few examples:

• Lima became the capital of all Spanish possessions in South America, which were named New Castile quite wrong as the New Castile governorship, assigned to Francisco Pizarro, occupied only a part of Spanish possessions in South America. I think the text confuses this governorship with the Viceroyalty of Peru which replaced it.
• Throughout the colonial era, Lima was the stronghold of Spanish military forces and subsuquent military expansion campaigns originated in Lima. Likewise, at the end of the colonial period, Lima was the last Spanish stronghold to withstand independence. Wrong again and sourced to onwar.com, not exactly an example of an academic site. Lima was not a stronghold of military forces throughout the colonial era as there were very few permanent military forces in the Spanish Americas during this period. Most of them were concentrated in strategic points such as the Caribbean and Chile. That's why when pirates threatened the Peruvian coast, the Lima viceroys had to resort to hastily armed militias to defend their capital. Furthermore, Lima was not the last Spanish stronghold as it fell to Patriot forces before Callao, Cuzco and Upper Peru to mention a few.
• The transferring of the wealth of the Incan Empire through Lima to the port Callao transformed Lima into a prosperous and ostentatious city besides the awkward grammar, it must be pointed out that the "wealth of the Inca Empire" run out pretty quickly, the pillars of Lima's colonial prosperity were trade and its control of the silver extracted from Upper Peru mines.
• Under colonial rule, Spain-born Spaniards known as Peninsulares held most public offices and ruled over other social segments of the population quite wrong for most of the colonial period. Lots of Spaniards born in the Americas held public office. A good read on this is From Impotence to Authority by Chandler and Burkholder (there's a Spanish translation).
• As a result rebellion eventually ensued and in 1824, Peru became independent actually, rebellion did not ensue in Lima at all, the attitude of the city towards independence is much better described in the new text and in the History of Lima article.
• Immigration from other non-Spanish European countries to Peru was prohibited during the, colonial era and did not begin until after independence it was prohibited, but it did happen, check any colonial Lima census and you'll see a wide variety of foreigners in the city
• On May 12, 1551, San Marcos University was created and classes began on January 2, 1553 in the Covenant of Santo Domingo too much detail, the university has its own Wikipedia article you know...
• The first recorded earthquake in the city occurred in 1582, with later earthquakes occurring in 1586, 1609, 1630, 1655, 1687, 1694, 1699, 1716, 1725, 1732, 1734, and 1743 instead of mentioning every single earthquake I think it is much more useful to deal with those that caused the most damage (1687, 1746, 1940) as is done in the new text and the History of Lima article.
• At the beginnings of the 19th century, despite the development of other Latin American cities, Lima still retained its place as South America's most important city and the city where the Spanish Empire maintained its strongest prescence wrong and quite jingoistic too, to make things worse it is sourced to a site that only says "In the 1820s (...) Lima was a Spanish stronghold", it never says anything about Lima being South America's most important city or the city where the Spanish Empire maintained its strongest presence.

I could go on but I think you get the idea, the previous text had several mistakes, poor sources and poor writing so I think it was for the benefit of the article to replace it. --Victor12 (talk) 17:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

First off, I would like to thank you as it seems as though you have a genuine commitment to the betterment of Peru-related articles and and obviously have a wide knowledge of accurate historical data. I also believe it to be to important to find reliable sources that convey accurate information into the article and as you pointed out many of the sources had unreliable information or the information written in the article didn't match that of the source. I also think that these changes should be carried over to the Spanish wikipedia as the text was directly translated from that article. Despite this, it is still my belief that the history section should be enlarged. I still see that images are being removed from the article, something I think should not be done as long as they don't present formatting errors due to stacking.

Vivaperucarajo (talk) 01:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Edwin Donayre

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BorgQueen (talk) 21:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Peru

I just wanted to stop by and say very nice work overall, the portal looks much better! There are just a few minor things which I feel remain that have not yet been addressed. Cirt (talk) 23:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Archaeological sites in Peru

Hello,
in some days this page will be completed. Can you please translate it into Spanish? Regards, --Dmitri Lytov (talk) 20:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure, just let me know when you're done. --Victor12 (talk) 15:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Victor, you can start right now, if possible. Both AgainErick and myself can then extend the Spanish version with new images and dates. Thanks again. --Dmitri Lytov (talk) 19:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello Victor, can you please help with this translation? --Dmitri Lytov (talk) 04:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

So once upon a time...

...back in 2006, you expanded De Zeven Provinciën-class cruiser. I was thinking of working on that and taking it to WP:GAN, but I'd need sources; would you happen to remember what books/websites you used in writing the article? And would you want to collaborate to bring it up through GA, A and FA? Cheers, —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 19:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello! I'm glad to see someone interested in improving this article. The sources I used back then were an old edition of Jane's Fighting Ships and a book in Spanish about cruisers in the Peruvian Navy, both are referenced at the end of the article. As for a collaboration, I'd love to but currently my real world jobs have limited y wiki time to a minimum. Even so I'd try to help you as much as I can if you decide to engage in this endeavor. --Victor12 (talk) 13:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Heh. I missed your reply on my watchlist way back when, but caught Marshall's post below just now. :-/ As you can tell, I never got around to Zeven; didn't have the sources and was caught up in Brazilian battleship Minas Geraes along with a few other articles. If I do get sources in the future and start to expand it, I'll be sure to ping you. Apologies, —Ed (Talk • Contribs) 08:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Lima article?

Hey Victor...have you and JerseyDevil and all other contributors decided to abandon your work on the Lima article? It is a mess, as you know, and images are still being added/deleted without justification. Can you still help? Rafajs77 (talk) 22:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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I see you've already asked Victor to intervene. To Victor12, the above user is having a content dispute with another user on the War of the Pacific article. I know that you are quite well versed on these issues so your input on what should be done in that article would be helpful in settling their dispute. So if you have that time your input would be much appreciated.--Jersey Devil (talk) 22:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

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Rwanda

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Thanks for the peer review of Rwanda, there were some very useful comments there. I've fixed the obvious ones and will look into the others in the coming days. All the best  — Amakuru (talk) 06:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

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It seems strange to me to get such an strong warning for one revert which tried to preserve a text formed by consensus and reviewed at WP:FAC. Specially considering the history of edits to the article after this particular event. --Victor12 (talk) 19:10, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

It is more that I see you reverting edits without edit summaries on both Lima and Peru, edits that aren't obviously vandalism...and then no attempts to communicate with the other editor on either their talkpage or on the talkpage of the article. If there is some reason to consider the other editor a vandal (like previous disruptive behavior and refusal to accept consensus) then my apologies. As you say, the other editor is now blocked and you aren't. Syrthiss (talk) 11:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

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