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Lännen lokari moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Lännen lokari, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:43, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@CommanderWaterford: Yle (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Yle) is site owned by the Finnish government, no way it is unreliable. Also it was a translation from the Finnish wikipedia https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A4nnen_lokari --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 09:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Northumbrians article

The nature of my issues with the article does not revolve solely around that specific source; the source is simply a good example of one specific issue within my overall nomination. Also, I've got a copy of the book, and on page 7 (as you've cited in your recent edit) does not assert that Northumbrians are "distinct from other English people"; in fact the only mention of any form of 'distinctiveness' is in relation to accent (and other things related to linguistics) rather than a separate ethnogenesis and/or cultural distinctiveness making them separate from all other English people. It may be better to continue this discussion on the article's talk page. Alssa1 (talk) 12:14, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

For now i deleted that part of the article, however regional identities should still have articles, it would be more use to improve the article instead of deletion. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 12:17, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I think i accidentaly referenfed the wrong page, it said "Vii" instead of 7. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 12:18, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

If you're relying on "Vii" to support the claim "Northumbrians are culturally distinct from other English people", you're engaging in WP:SYNTH. The source does not make that claim. To quote directly: "Using the more inclusive term 'Northumbrians' avoids bogging us down in the imprecise demarcation of Geordies and Mackems, the two feuding tribes of Tyne and Wear whose modern rivalry has obscured how much they share in common..." Basically an inclusive neologism has been created for the purposes of this book so as to recant the history of the people of the region. Alssa1 (talk) 12:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Well that part can be deleted from the article, however it is still better to try to improve the article rather than delete it. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 12:39, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

We don't create articles for the sake of it, they have to have an encyclopedic value. We haven't got a Yorkshireman article, or West Countryman article, or a 'Gwyneddian' article etc etc. Why does 'Northumbrian' specifically require its own article on wikipedia when the others don't? Alssa1 (talk) 21:17, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Who said other regional identities don't need an article?, even my tribe Finns proper have an article. There is even a whole template for all Finnish subgroups, if Finnish subgroups have articles, why not English? --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 06:08, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Here are more examples of subgroup articles: Pomors Gauja Estonians Ludza Estonians --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 06:20, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

new Kamassian / Koibal dictionaries

Terve,
saatat olla kiinnostunut näistä vastikään julkaistuista kokoavista digisanakirjoista:

• Kamassz szótár
• Kojbál szótár

--Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 06:06, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Kiitos, tiedänkin unkarilaisen joka on kiinnostunut tästä ja lähetin myös hänelle ValtteriLahti12 (talk)

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Minority views

Hi ValtteriLahti12! Hope you're doing good. Just one observation/question: I agree with you about this[1] (we don't have to mention everything that someone has stated somewhere at some time), but: doesn't by the same logic the page Sino-Uralic give undue weight to a fringe hypothesis of a single author (with one co-author in one paper) by having a standalone page for it? –Austronesier (talk) 15:02, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Fringish language theories as far as I have seen often have wiki pages, however its acceptance can be changed to ”fringe”. I myself don’t believe Sino-Uralic at all, I also edited the Uralic page to include Sino-Uralic in the "fringe" section. ValtteriLahti12 (talk)

Don't worry, I am sure that you don't buy into it. Actually, WP has an inclusion policy about fringe WP:NFRINGE which is not against fringe per se but requires it to have a certain degree of notability. Not quite sure whether this holds for Gao's proposal. At least he's more consistent in pursuing it than this notorious guy (talking about non-notable fringe :) ) –Austronesier (talk) 15:25, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Well there are other people who also proposed similar stuff, (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Uralic-languages) "The most radical of these claims is the massive Dené-Finnish grouping of Morris Swadesh, which encompasses, among others, Sino-Tibetan (e.g., Chinese) and Athabaskan (e.g., Navajo).", so I think it is covered enough to have an article. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 15:44, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi ValtteriLahti12, thank you for your contributions. I think Sino-Uralic is "just about" worth mentioning in a standalone article, but it's certainly not well-known. The really non-notable fringe theories and hoaxes that I've been dealing with are pseudo-religious nonsense such as [2] [3], whereas Sino-Uralic is at least something slightly plausible coming from academia, resembling works by the Moscow School of Comparative Linguistics. — Sagotreespirit (^talk) 17:32, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Substrate languages

Hi, I'm the German Kaiserreich and thank you for making the Paleo-Laplandic language page. It was very helpful for me for my research about substrate words. Did you know that the obsolete English word "cote" meaning cottage is speculated to be a borrowing from a Uralic language. Anyways, I've been thinking of a page called the Funnelbeaker language which is a hypothesized language or set of languages spoken by the Funnelbeaker Culture that was the source of presumably most of the Germanic substrate words like knight, reed and pflegen (the last one is German). What do you think about that? Deutschland1871 (talk) 02:48, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I have heard about that proposed Uralic etymology, and if you have good sources go ahead with the page --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 08:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

So, the Sources are from mainly Wikitionary and Wikipedia so the information is kind of being reused. But I have a few problems, first I have no idea how to cite sources which is a big one since when you are editing or adding information, you need to cite them which is important. Secondly, the Funnelbeaker language is unclassified meaning that there is no way of relating it to any existing language family. However, I've came up with a few theories. First, O speculate that it might be an Afroasiatic language from a previously unknown branch from which I called the "Early European Farmer branch" after finding that Proto-Germanic *gaits is from a substrate but it might have some relatives I some Semitic languages which are Afroasiatic and look similar typologically. Then I found out that Proto-Germanic *skēpą looks like the Hebrew word for sheep when transliterated "kéves" and it only strengthened as the Proto-Indo-European word for sheep had a speculated relation with the same Hebrew word. However, then I contradicted my theory that the Funnelbeaker language is not from an unknown branch of Afroasiatic and possibly from a dead language family after realizing that I had little to no evidence after realizing that I've drawn up my previous conclusion with only two reconstructed words. Then, I recontradicted my theory after finding that the Proto-Germanic word for wren *wrandijo looked like the Arabic word for wren when transliterated "was". Then, I rerecontradicted my theory that it might be related to the Sumerian language under the idea that they must have seemed from a Proto-language and finding that the English word "ass" referring to a type of horse comes from Proto-Germanic which us from a substrate that looks like the Sumerian word for ass when transliterated "anšu". But for now, the Funnelbeaker language has to be classified as unclassified because we don't have enough proof yet. Deutschland1871 (talk) 05:15, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

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• Wikipedia:Citing sources --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 05:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. It may take me some time but I'll get it eventually. Deutschland1871 (talk) 07:16, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Meryas redirects

Hi! Wouldn't some of the redirects here [4] need repointing to Meryas? – Uanfala (talk) 23:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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Starred forms in Uralo-Siberian languages

I have added asterisks to all of the proto-forms in the tables in Uralo-Siberian languages, since I'm assuming that they are all proto-language reconstructions. Can you confirm that they are all proto-languages and not attestations of synchronic languages? — Sagotreespirit (^talk) 14:15, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, they are proto-languages ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 14:39, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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I have doubts about the article's notability myself, so go ahead. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 05:51, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Predestinatian

Predestinatian is not an English word. Editor2020 (talk) 02:50, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I made a typo ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 04:26, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Tertullian article. Please be more careful in the edits you make.

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Saying that Tertullian believed that "in an emergency, the laity can give the sacraments" is not the same as saying that Tertullian believed that "in an emergency, the laity can give the baptism".

By saying all the sacraments, it is a very serious error since you are saying that Tertullian believed that a layman can ordain priests, consecrate the Eucharist, administer the sacrament of Marriage and Confirmation, forgive sins in the sacrament of Reconciliation, etc...

The source only says that in an emergency a lay person can administer baptism, not all the sacraments. Please be more careful what you put in your edits.--Rafaelosornio (talk) 15:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Rafaelosornio: Most edits you seemed to delete were me trying to change the wording of the sources so that I do not copy directly, thus breaking copyright. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 16:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

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Alpha and Omega is the blog of a theologian who is an expert called James White, it is not unreliable as blogs ran by professionals are accepted ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 11:43, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

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You don't need to delete stuff when I changed the wording, for example for "heretical" I used the word "heterodox", still keeping the general meaning. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 15:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

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Hi @ValtteriLahti12: I reviewed this article and don't have a clue who the Hussites are. You have to tell the reader what is going in. I have no idea what thats about. Can you update the lede to give a description please. Great referencing. scope_creep^Talk 06:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

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most of what I copied was written by me. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 12:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

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Now you see what I talked about here[5]. My appreciation was heartfelt then and even more, now. Austronesier (talk) 16:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

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If you are latinlearner13, I already blocked you multiple times and you still try to message me here, I am not interested in debating.--ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 09:41, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

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I wrote it a long time ago and barely have any memory of what the sources say. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 13:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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This group doesn't have many of their peculiar doctrinal stances very public, and most news focus on their more political takes, so their theological views are mostly kept within their sermons. I tried to add quotes to make it more accurate and to avoid too much paraphrase. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 16:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

That's generally better - it allows the reader to decide. Good efforts on expanding the article. ButlerBlog (talk) 17:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 16:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you approve of my changes to 'Eternal generation of the Son'?

Hello, thank you very much for creating the article on the eternal generation of the Son! I just expanded it and change the title as I believe 'eternal generation' is technically a common noun. You will also see in Herman Bavinck's writings (which I quoted in the article) that he says 'eternal generation' in lower case. (This is also why I came to your article, to let you know that the link you have is now to a redirect). I also changed the image though I admit it is a dubious choice. I further admit that I am an iconoclast and was driven to do this because in Reformed theology, we regard nature and Scripture God's means of leading us to know his nature. Thus the three-headed depiction of Christ I find to be unsatisfactory. How can one possible depict such a concept as the eternal generation of the Son? However, I realise the current image of the Pleiades star cluster is not particularly compelling. In any case, I would appreciate your opinion. Violoncello10104 (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't know about changing the image for iconoclastic reasons. But I guess expanding the article and making the name more accurate is okay. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 13:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, I cannot put up a depiction of God in good conscience, so I leave it to you discretion. May I edit your user page to remove the redirect link to the old 'Eternal Generation of the Son' page? Violoncello10104 (talk) 21:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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