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Can you clarify why an image is a candidate for speedy deletion as an attack page? I'll make my decision as soon as you let me know. JodyB talk 14:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:JackieVendetti/Fair_Mortgage_Collaborative RESPONDING TO YOUR RESPONSE
Hi Uzma,
Thank you for responding. That is what Chevy said,[1] but when I try to move it, I get this response:
"User:JackieVendetti" cannot be moved to "Http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Fair Mortgage Collaborative", because the title "Http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Fair Mortgage Collaborative" is on the title blacklist. If you feel that this move is valid, please consider requesting the move first.
It says the title is on the backlist. I am confused and not sure what to do now. Do I just have to wait or do I have to bring it to someone's attention?
Thanks so much! Jackie JackieVendetti (talk) 15:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
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I've removed the "failed" from PE (policy) that you added. I noticed that you'd done the same thing at PE (guideline) and that that has been removed. I'll suggest completing the discussion at (guideline) first - as it strikes me that this is quite against current rules, e.g. it has been characterized by its supporters as "Don't ask, don't tell" which doesn't apply in any COI situation. Once (guideline) has been resolved, it may be much easier to resolve (policy) Smallbones (talk) 14:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- Here's what I posted on 21 November 2010 at Paid editing (guideline): "I thought that it had been so long since this was requested a guideline that Consensus in its favor was not established within a reasonable period of time. So I posted {{failed}}. I don't think there needs to be a formal discussion to reject this proposal, otherwise this would drag on. -- This [Paid editing] proposal was first proposed on 11 March 2007. -- Oh, it is dragging on. :) -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 17:43, 21 November 2010 (UTC)"[2] I'm assuming that you agree with the removal of the {{failed}} templates because you believe that 3 1/2+ years is not a reasonable period of time to establish a favorable consensus for the paid editing guideline proposal. What can I say? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- When a third party specifically asks for a discussion on the "failed" tag, I think it would be polite to discuss - if only briefly. The 3.5 years refers to the attempt to lighten up the restrictions, now shown in (guideline); the proposed policy has been around for about a year, and it is just meant as a statement of what the rules are, not what somebody would like them to be. It may be better proposed as a guideline, but (guideline) massively confuses the issue. If you want to put Reject with a half line explanation on either or both, please go ahead. Smallbones (talk) 14:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not aware that a third party specifically asks for a discussion on the failed tag, and I'm fine if that is what you want to do.
I put the failed tag on there because it belongs there. I still think it belongs there and the paid editing proposal likely belongs at Wikipedia:Perennial proposals. If people want to engage in activities to keep that page open, who am I - a lowely cog in a big wheel - to interfer. Tell you what, if that page becomes a guideline, is marked with the "failed" tag, or is otherwise considered resolved on 24 May 2011 (6 months from today), I'll give you a
. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:14, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not aware that a third party specifically asks for a discussion on the failed tag, and I'm fine if that is what you want to do.
- When a third party specifically asks for a discussion on the "failed" tag, I think it would be polite to discuss - if only briefly. The 3.5 years refers to the attempt to lighten up the restrictions, now shown in (guideline); the proposed policy has been around for about a year, and it is just meant as a statement of what the rules are, not what somebody would like them to be. It may be better proposed as a guideline, but (guideline) massively confuses the issue. If you want to put Reject with a half line explanation on either or both, please go ahead. Smallbones (talk) 14:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
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Are you sure that all these categories should be included in Template:Cite DNBSupp/doc? As there are two parameters "title" and "wstitle" that Category:Missing encyclopedic articles (Dictionary of National Biography) should be conditional on that parameter and that Category:Attribution templates ought to be in the sub-category category:Dictionary of National Biography templates. -- PBS (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Are you sure your approach to the situation is the best approach?-- Uzma Gamal (talk) 19:18, 5 December 2010 (UTC)- Never mind. You're all right in my book. I didn't give that edit too much thought and should have given it more. I'll give it my best shot at fixing it. If I'm wrong, please fix my fix. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 19:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
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- Hi Uzma, left a note on some problems I have with the direction of the article. (Good pic of the guy from the Royle BTW. got a giggle out of that) The Interior(Talk) 03:25, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Zishan Engineers
These were the concerns highlighted in both the deletions " doing a quick check on the web, I can find primary sources establishing interantional nobility in their projects, but aside from job postings and business directories I cant find anything (yet) to suggest notability in secondary sources" by Ottawa4ever. "quick check did not provide enough notability to be listed in en.wiki" by Neozoon "The article was previously nominated for deletion here and shortly after the article was deleted it was re-created. That would be fine if the reasons for deletion were addressed, which they appear not to be. A company is considered notable if there is significant coverage in secondary sources, which this appears not to be the case. Company listings as in buisness directories which appear to be the bulk of the referencing and secondary sources are considered trivial coverage at best. Without significant coverage in secondary sources the article appears to be failing Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) Ottawa4ever (talk) 10:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)"
If you can retrieve the cached version of the article, other pointers were asking for "citations" on the points. The reason why this was being discussed was that no secondary source was mentioned in the article and only primary source of the company's website was mentioned (which was true). 1) The first new change is that the primary sources has been updated. Alot more new projects and work the said organization has done can be found at their website. If you want to see their older version of the website you can still access it at http://zishanengineers.com/old/index.htm. 2) Regarding secondary sources, you may find three secondary sources in the article in reference nos 10), 12) and 13). I have not deleted the business directory listings as references that were there in the article earlier as I felt that they didnt do any harm and the fact that secondary sources (like mentioned above) do establish notability. If you read above, Ottawwa4ever, who was the principal opposers does agree that the article now provides secondary references which do establish notablity.
Uzma, I invite you to read the article again and tell me what portions of the article you see that are copied verbatim from the website? I can safely say that the major portion of the article is encyclopedic in nature and invite you to check that out of the 45 line article, over 40 are related to information not found on the website. This is in no way a reproduction of the website. My mentioning of the article "was based" meant the article was discussing the organization in view of the projects is has done and the impact it has had gets substantiated more when they have updated to include latest projects. The latest projects reflect more on governmental policies. It didnt imply that it was like a newspaper publicity of the organization which I can say it wasnt.
Let me summarize. The new informations are as follows: primary sources reflect better the point the article was discussing. References 10), 12) and 13) establish secondary sources (which werent there before)which is "not a business directory". This was a concern highlighted in the first deletion review and seeing that now it has been addressed , I think the deletion should be revoked. The main concern for deletion has been address and the deletion should be revoked. The person who suggested the deletion in the first place thinks so too. The article has room for improvement, to cover design engineering in pakistan in more depth . Uzairsyedahmed (talk) 15:23, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Re Uzma, would you please consider references 10), 12) and 13) as secondary resources listed in the article. You have not addressed these points which the initial opposer who deleted the first article has endorsed as secondary sources. I implore you to not quote me out of context without having read the discussions on the articles for deletion. The discussion did mention no secondary source for notability (which has been addressed too) and also that the primary source seemedly barely sufficient.My mentioning of the website upgrading was to reflect that the primary source discussed earlier on the first articles has been improved too, I did not mean to overshadow the fact that secondary references to establish notability has been done on the article now and citations for points has been provided too.I may repeat this for clarity if my summary was misleading. The article now includes secondary sources which are NOT business directory listings (as objected earlier), the article includes citations (as objected earlier) and the primary source which the discussions established to be the only item presented in the first article has improved too. I hope this has gotten clear now. -- Uzairsyedahmed (talk) 21:26, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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This is a warning to you in relation to your actions on the Deletion Review for Tase Matsunaga - refactoring other people's comments (as you did to mine, here) is strictly forbidden within Wikipedia. You may edit your own comments, but not those of other contributors. Please be warned that users have been blocked for this in the past, and this is not something you should do again. If you are seen to do this, your actions may be reported for administrative attention. BarkingFish 04:20, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- You and I had an editing conflict and I mistakenly overwrote your post when refactoring Ryoung122's post.[3] While we are on the subject, why are you interleaving your post within someone else's post?here It looks like you are taking credit for Ryoung122's post. Empty head and additionally a lack of assuming good faith do not build on each other to justify using a warning with a big read "Stop_hand_nuvola.svg" on my talk page. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 05:57, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks Tagging Category talk:Freight with {{WikiProject Philately}} was incorrect. Thanks for the post to my talk. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
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I don't really remember what the content of that page was, so I don't have anything useful to say at the deletion review... AnonMoos (talk) 21:47, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for finding references, I dont know hw you found those. I've been searching since yesterday and didnt find those. Someone65 (talk) 14:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC) |
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I moved this to the January 24th discussion. As that's where it belongs. CTJF83 chat 21:01, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
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Hi Uzma, I responded to your post here, but I would like to thank you for the work you have done so far and ask you to do some more in developing the article as you see it. I will of course include you in DYK nomination as a creator of the article. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 19:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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Yeah, the GFDL 1.2 is definitely a problem. It's officially deprecated on the English and German wikis, but not on Commons. There was a deletion debate on all of Fir0002's images just a couple weeks ago in fact.[4] Maybe one of these days I'll get around to trying to deprecate the license on Commons as well. Kaldari (talk) 17:58, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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Your feedback on this issue is very much appreciated! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:04, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
- Your welcome. I'm glad I was able to help resolve one of the old copyright poroblems. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 16:08, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
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I posted a request at Wikipedia:Blocked external links/Current requests. Since you created that page,[5] I'm hoping you can address the request. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 17:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- Oops. The page was never enacted. I've moved your request to MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist. Stifle (talk) 18:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I thought something was up when there were few requests at that page. I had spent a while trying to figure out where to post such a request. I even saw MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist, but that didn't clue me into posting on its talk page, MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist. (Would you mind editing MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist at the top and adding something like
*# Spam-blacklist requests may be posted at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist.
) I ultimately followed the instructions at Wikipedia:Blocked external links. I just modified that page to lead others to the correct page. In my quest, I also ran across Wikipedia:Spam blacklist, which I just modified to provide better info. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 09:04, 25 February 2011 (UTC)Done Stifle (talk) 09:28, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. Also, it looks like no one is responding to posts at Wikipedia talk:Spam blacklist. And should MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist be added to Template:Noticeboard links? That template is posted at the top of MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist but MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist doesn't seem to be listed in the template. Sorry for peppering you with so many request. I had a hard time trying to find MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist and perhaps others might have run into the same problem. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 09:48, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
- I think the noticeboard links is already too cluttered. The Wikipedia talk:Spam blacklist is probably too out of the way for anyone to notice. You've encouraged me to restart my efforts to migrate this whole sorry mess to Wikipedia:Blocked external links. Stifle (talk) 10:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. Also, it looks like no one is responding to posts at Wikipedia talk:Spam blacklist. And should MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist be added to Template:Noticeboard links? That template is posted at the top of MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist but MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist doesn't seem to be listed in the template. Sorry for peppering you with so many request. I had a hard time trying to find MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist and perhaps others might have run into the same problem. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 09:48, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I thought something was up when there were few requests at that page. I had spent a while trying to figure out where to post such a request. I even saw MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist, but that didn't clue me into posting on its talk page, MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist. (Would you mind editing MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist at the top and adding something like
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I had already reported it here. I left the warning in place so the admin could see it was a vandalism only account in addition to the name. SQGibbon (talk) 14:05, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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Hi Uzma, thanks so much for cleaning up my contribution. It looks good. You asked a question, why would the artist Brian Whelan let his 'paintings' be used...I think since they are images (not the painting itself), and most all of them sold, he has found that rarely does anyone abuse them...anyway he is pretty laid back about this. cheers, Wendyroseberry (talk) 16:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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- You did a good job, but some of your contribution into Handwriting (disambiguation) will be removed. Thank you for your understanding. Ufim (talk) 18:41, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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- User:Doctorgeo made the AFC submission. I just fixed the submission as part of my WP:NPP efforts by substituting Template:AFC submission/submit, an AFC step Doctorgeo forgot to do. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:15, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I will inform him accordingly. Thanks
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I have mentioned in that articlw which this case is the first well documented spirit possession in America and all details of incident are based on the memories of eyewitnesses as i have mentioned so there is doubt about the reliability of them,but about the nobility you should consider this case as one of the rare super natural cases which was documented and recorded by verifiable eyewitnesses.--Navid1366 (talk) 17:02, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
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- If, after substituting Template:AFC submission/submit, you change the u parameter to be the username of the author rather than your username, this will avoid you getting these false notifications and make sure the real author gets the notice! By the way, thanks for helping with this. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:54, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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parameter of Template:AFC submission/submit.[6] In the future, I will change the u parameter to be the username of the author rather than my username. Thanks again. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- There it is! I've been looking all over to figure out how to fix this. See Automatic delivery of Template:Afc decline. Thanks for letting me know that my name appeared in the
- If, after substituting Template:AFC submission/submit, you change the u parameter to be the username of the author rather than your username, this will avoid you getting these false notifications and make sure the real author gets the notice! By the way, thanks for helping with this. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:54, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Article drafts
Hello. If an administrator wishes to delete my drafts per WP:STALEDRAFT, they are more than welcome. Otherwise I don't really care, since the substance of my private sandboxes is the gargantuan amount of notes taken verbatim from (and often paraphrasing) academic sources. As for English translations of Han era titles, I would favor de Crespigny, but that is just my inclination. One could just as easily accept the "Loewe School" of translations. I wonder, has a majority consensus been reached in favor of the "Dubs School" and de Crespigny?--Pericles of AthensTalk 15:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- I tagged the drafts with the suggested template, so they should be taken care of soon. Regards.--Pericles of AthensTalk 16:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
If you could take another look at this MfD you started it would be much appreciated. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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Request review of revised Air Cycle Corporation article
Hi Uzma Gamal. A couple months ago, you commented on the Deletion review for my Air Cycle Corporation article. I've substantially reworked the citations for the article, and was wondering if you could take a look and let me know if you can approve it for the mainspace. It can be found here. Thanks so much. Synthality (talk) 18:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, in case my response was unclear, I didn't mean to discourage you from adding this material, if you can cite the reliable sources you learned it from. I think it would be useful at the Abbottabad article. At the moment, except for a single sentence in the lead which is repeated in the body about bin Laden's death, the article suggests the place is a lovely tourist attraction. That seems to be a misleading impression if what you suggest about the nexus of terrorism there is correct, and it could go in the history section or in a new section. I would be very interested to read it. Best wishes, Abrazame (talk) 05:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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