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I give you this Ukraine Barnstar for writing new articles — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:15, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Article DYK-nominated, please comment and support

An interesting Ukraine-related article is nominated for WP:DYK now.

Please comment and support by clicking this link.

Thank you, Ukrained2012 (talk) 10:01, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Ukrained2012, DYK nominations aren't a support/oppose-type thing. You simply need to meet the criteria. Right now, it turns out you need to add more material to the article, since the nomination doesn't qualify under the 2x BLP expansion rule due to pre-existing references (these days, it's just about impossible to find articles around that qualify), and must meet the 5x expansion instead. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:51, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, though I've never said it was "a support/oppose-type thing". Ukrained2012 (talk) 21:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mykola Melnyk

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Well-deserved recognition for Mr. Melnyk and tribute to all Chornobyl Heroes. I wish to thank everyone who contributed (and will keep on contributing) to the article and its DYK process. Wishes, Ukrained2012 (talk) 06:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Interstate Aviation Commitee updates

Hi! I notice you said that there were updates about the Interstate Aviation Committee. And so I took a look at your edits:

• I responded to your edits here: Talk:Interstate_Aviation_Committee#Being_correct - Also I notified other Wikiprojects and pages of the Russian, Ukranian, and Georgian Wikipedias so that evidence of the countries leaving the IAC will come to light, if there is evidence WhisperToMe (talk) 00:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Ukraine accident investigation agency

Ukrained, I heard there was a National Bureau for Air Accidents Investigations, and Sealle found some sources about it:

• this one says its purpose is to investigate
• this English source says it is the national bureau for investigation of aviation accidents and incidents with civilian aircraft
• Bylaw of the Verkhovna Rada

With what Sealle found, are you interested in starting an article on the agency? Do you know where its website is? Does it have PDF files of its investigation reports? Perhaps I can also make requests to have this article started on the Ukranian and Russian Wikipedias Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 21:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, I could certainly stub it. Thanks for hinting, I'll do some research. Ukrained2012 (talk) 22:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Ukraine National Bureau for Civilian Aircraft Events and Accidents Investigations is a provisional English name. Ukrained2012 (talk) 22:09, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Awesome :) - I'll add it to Template:Aviation_accident_orgs (it listed the IAC as Ukraine's agency as with the other post-Soviet countries other than the Baltics which are not IAC/MAK members) WhisperToMe (talk) 22:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Azerbaijan may be another country that is a part of the IAC treaty that doesn't use the IAC for accident investigations. I never found an entry for the Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 217 (2005) on the IAC list. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done, no website so far( Thanks again, Ukrained2012 (talk) 22:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem! Another thing that could be useful is, for the history section, to see if it is known what was the accident investigation before the National Bureau for Civilian Aircraft Events and Accidents Investigations was formed. Was it another Ukrainian agency? I'll look and see if there were any Ukraine-related incidents in the IAC list other than the Black Sea incident. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

My understanding is that the State Aviation Service of Ukraine with the Ministry of Transportation/Infrastructure was a sole civil aviation regulator and a chief national counterpart to ICAO. Than the ICAO probably demanded an investigation body to be fully independent of the market and tariffs regulator (which SAS is). Wishes, Ukrained2012 (talk) 22:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok. In the meantime I found uk:Будинок Міністерства інфраструктури України which seems to be about the Ministry of Infrastructure building. Do you know when it was inaugurated? There isn't yet an English Wikipedia article about this building WhisperToMe (talk) 23:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

The UA article says it was completed in 1986 as an Aeroflot premise, renovated in 2003 (at which point it became home for the Ministry). 2003 fits "inaugurated" navbox parameter. Ukrained2012 (talk) 23:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

History categories

Hi

I replied to your post on the Ukraine project talk page.

Basically I said that we have this timeline, worked on by lots of us, and it may be best to try and follow that basic outline when creating the categories.

The timeline is easily pasted into articles by putting

in. It automatically justifies itself to the right.

If you want to discuss, feel free, and if you want assistance I am more than happy to help you in about 2 days time. Chaosdruid (talk) 14:59, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Good point, thanks. Replied there. Ukrained2012 (talk) 06:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Mess deserving a nasty tag on top

I entered a reply to your note "Mess deserving a nasty tag on top" on the talk page for the article "List of countries by number of broadband Internet subscriptions". A bit more information is needed to make sure we understand the problems you reported and are fixing the right things. When you have a moment, would you look that the talk page and provide additional information? Thanks. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 01:22, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Ukrained2012 (talk) 01:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

The Meeting Place Cannot be Changed

Hi! I did explain the reasons for reverting to my version, they being 1) bad English, 2) biased nature of some of your statements, and 3) too much unnecessary detail considering the target audience for this article. But I will work within the framework of your version to improve its quality. Thank you Goganess (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:12, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Back at you) Ukrained2012 (talk) 11:32, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Kiev City State Administration

Dear Ukrained2012. Please leave this article alone - you have no authority to delete it. It was clearly not a "mistake" on my part - it is obvious that I wrote a new article, adding content, an image and a template. The article is consistent with its inter-wiki corresponding articles. If you feel strongly enough that it should be nominated for deletion - then please prepare your case and present it using the correct procedure via WP:AFD. --Very trivial (talk) 04:29, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. Ukrained2012 (talk) 10:58, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Have responded to your answer. --Very trivial (talk) 10:30, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Nominating to block Shervinsky

I noticed that you left a comment on Shervinsky's talk page regarding blanking. He/she has just indulged in a serious free-for-all blanking, redacting and basically dragging in vast tracts of fairly illiterate translations of RU Wikipedia material, and blatantly heavily biased, into the Name of Ukraine article, not even bothering to add edit comments regarding any of them. Even more unfortunately, they are literate enough to be comprehended and I am unable to just hit the 'undo' button due to the number of them, so I've applied for a RevisionDelete in order that Shervinsy's behaviour remain on record.

Given that these 'edits' have been made over the period of only a few days, and that your warning was issued prior the series of edits of the "Name of Ukraine" article, I would suggest his/her activity is going to escalate rather than subside. Would you be willing to back me up on a request to block this user? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 02:51, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello. You have a new message at Iryna Harpy's talk page. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:19, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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... to find the Wikipedia:WikiProject Explosives in our restless world). Ukrained2012 (talk) 01:37, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Can't believe

that i've just improved the Feminism in Russia. I must be a really mature and unbiased male Wikipedian then) Ukrained2012 (talk) 02:52, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Heh, I can't believe I started that article ;)

Anyway, thank you for your thank you for my edits to Protected areas of Ukraine! It was kind of hard to understand the relationship between all the funds and ministries and sub-departments, so I gave up for the time being, but I'll try to come back to it later. I saw you added quite a few Ukraine-related articles to the translation cleanup queue – did you translate these yourself? Let me know if you need help improving them or others in the future. Рідну мову непогано знаю, хоча на жаль нерідна вже давно перемогла... Accedie^{talk to me} 03:04, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

God no! I didn't create those awful though useful articles and I'm and an oldschoolie that still uses his time and keyboard instead of Google Translate) Thank you, let's keep in touch. Ukrained2012 (talk) 03:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Correct procedure

Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions and Wikipedia:Translation, please familarise yourself with both. Adding content like this and tagging it for somebody else to fix is not the way to make Wikipedia better--Jac16888 ^Talk 22:37, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ukrained2012. The article you started — Kamyanets-Podilsky Ivan Ohienko National University already existed as Ivan Ohienka Kamianets-Podilskyi National University, though it was very "bare-bones". So as not to have a duplicate I merged it with your new article and made a redirect. Tip: look at the interwiki links on the page your translating from, or at least do a search on the relevant wiki page, or if all else fails, try a Google search eg. "Kamyanets-Podilsky national university site:wikipedia.org". :-) --Very trivial (talk) 07:27, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, this is really an oops moment for me. Sorry. Ukrained2012 (talk) 15:27, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Your revert

Do you really think we should keep this OR-like unencyclopedic peace of writing added by some IP some time ago? [1] --78.84.42.190 (talk) 20:15, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

You may not delete demonstrably relevant pictures merely because you disagree with their captions, or relevant referenced paragraph only because you dispute particular sentences in it. Please add templates, rewrite and provide better refs instead. As for question, no opinion for now. The text that you challenged is far from perfect so nobody demands to leave it as it was. Wishes, Ukrained2012 (talk) 20:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I just think that it's normal for a Wikipedia article to have a "In fact" section, and not somewhere at the end, but right after the lede before the history section, and giving information only about one country the article subject has to do with. Moved to where it belongs to... --78.84.42.190 (talk) 20:51, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

That's much better, thank you. In fact, you're welcome to replace the "In fact" with some better headline as well. Ukrained2012 (talk) 20:58, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

AfD for the Ukrainian Wikipedia

Hi Ukrained2012. You have used Twinkle to leave me a message on my talk page where you warn me against "introducing deliberate factual errors" on a page I never edited (Ukrainian Wikipedia) and you called me a troll for nominating an article at AfD. You've been on Wikipedia for over a year now, so by now you're expected to know that such behaviour is not welcome as it counts as an egregious breach of WP:AGF. Especially calling people 'trolls' and threatening action at ANI for wanting to delete an article you think should be kept is very disruptive and also unlikely to influence the AfD debate in your favour.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 19:29, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I've been her for MUCH longer, but who counts. My strong belief is that you've severely understudied the subject (for whatever reason) before filing that AfD request, and I expect no "debate" on such an obvious issue. Thank you, Ukrained2012 (talk) 19:38, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

That's not a sufficient reason for calling me a troll or falsely accusing me of adding factual errors, and calling people names for spurious reason in itself could be considered a form of trolling. If you want to take this matter to ANI you can do that, but I don't think you'd get any support whatsoever, and in fact you might well be warned against making similarly deceptive accusations in the future.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 19:45, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

In fact, I was only choosing a proper TW template, and picked up that of "factual errors" as the closest to my objections. I'm deeply sorry if you were upset about that message. Also, my sincere indication that you've probably abused AfD procedure by filing a moot request was not a "deceptive accusation" at all. Looking forward to eventually fruitful cooperation with you, Ukrained2012 (talk) 20:08, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Can you find any policy that says something against starting AfDs? If not, it was a "deceptive accusation", as are your continued accusation that I "abused AfD procedure" without providing any evidence of that, which despite your non-apologies points to a continued lack of good faith on your part.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 20:58, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

And still you're continuing with your personal attacks against me, this time by hiding behind the pretence of 'humble guesses' and similar junk. I would highly recommend that you remove that message and avoid similar ones in the future.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 21:12, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Question about Russian Wikipedia

Since you know Russian, are you interested in starting Russian-language versions of Ukraine-related topics?

I'm looking for someone to start stubs on the following:

• en:State Aviation Administration of Ukraine
• en:Ukraine National Bureau for Civilian Aircraft Events and Accidents Investigations

Thank you WhisperToMe (talk) 02:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Are you willing to do other aviation-related topics in Russian as well? WhisperToMe (talk) 05:04, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

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Здравствуйте, вы бы могли мне помочь добавить статью на английскую википедию, у меня есть весь текст и я ее выкладывал раньше, но статью удалили через месяц и написали что бы я обратился за помощью к украинским пользователям которые могут правильно выложить статью и посоветовали обратиться к Вам, заранее спасибо. Мое мыло: slipchenko_m@mail.ru

Hello, you could help me to add an article on the English Wikipedia, I have all the text and I laid out before her, but the article was removed a month later and wrote what I sought the help of Ukrainian users who can correctly lay out the article and was advised to write to you , thanks in advance. Fightmaximus (talk) 22:51, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your user talk. In short: can't help with that, and no Wikipedian can. Ukrained2012 (talk) 22:13, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

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Georgia no longer on MAK/IAC list of countries

Hi! I found Georgia is not longer on the list of MAK/IAC countries. This is true on the Russian and English webpages. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:38, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Ukrained2012 (talk) 20:06, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

edits

it might be best if we all try to sandbox larger edits so we don't get caught up overlapping, and the review proces would be easier if it were in larger chunks than a dozen smaller edits. I dunno, just throwing it out there.--Львівське (говорити) 22:49, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Good idea, but you should never violate in use tags anyway. I'm going offline soon (and will remove THE TAG), so you can start our sandboxed versions (at article talk?). We could schedule the sandbox implementations for, say, every 8 hours? Ukrained2012 (talk) 23:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

there was no talk page discussion about a shutdown, and using a tag like that on an article that is also a developing news story is not the best idea IMO. It's a courtesy, but no one is obliged not to "violate" the request by any means. I haven't been the only other one editing the page since it went up.--Львівське (говорити) 23:17, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

also, can you get a better source for this? i dont see it in any other news sources; were the masked men government troops? my translation of the page is confusing. --Львівське (говорити) 23:17, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Looking... when find time. IT'S INFORMATION NIGHTMARE HERE, in which I should work full time BTW. The article says they were first held by own foremen and the rest of the crowd, then came the MIB) ... who are definitely MVS troops - nobody else here is wielding guns YET) Thanks, Ukrained2012 (talk) 23:27, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

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Airports in Ukraine

OK, so my change is slightly unusual, but it's really because there is no separate page for List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_Ukraine as there is with other countries - it just redirects to List_of_airports_in_Ukraine. I suppose the correct thing really is to separate the information into 2 distinct pages and then move the navboxes about busiest airports to the relevant wiki page. Gratifying though to see that someone is looking at my edits and making me think about what I'm doing though ! Pmbma (talk) 15:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

A list _of_the_busiest_airports_in_Ukraine would be so short that it won't warrant separate article( Ukrained2012 (talk) 09:06, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Major edit?

what are you planning? i was going to add more details to the article --Львівське (говорити) 17:46, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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