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July 2024

A page you created has been nominated for deletion because it is a biography of a living person that is entirely negative in tone and contains unsourced content, according to section G10 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

Do not create articles about living people that are entirely negative in tone and unsourced. Wikipedia has a policy of verifiability and any negative information we use must be reliably sourced, and our articles must be balanced. Negative, unreferenced biographies of living people, along with other attack pages, are not tolerated by Wikipedia, and users who create or repost such pages and images in violation of our biographies of living persons policy may be blocked from editing. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have contested your nomination. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 18:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Assassination of Donald Trump" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Thank you for declining the nomination for speedy deletion mentioned in the section above. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A lengthy welcome

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1RR violation at Majdal Shams attack

This was a violation of the 1RR sanction in place in the WP:ARBPIA topic. Please do not violate 1RR again. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How could it be a violation if it was a 1st revert? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 22:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was the first, this was the second. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why you think this edit was a revert. I just saw what I thought (and still think) is a mistake, so I fixed it. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 23:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A revert is any edit that undoes, in whole or in part, another edit. Someone edited the article to label the casualties in the infobox, and you undid that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So you're saying the addition of content is not a revert, but a removal of content is a revert by definition? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 04:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of content can, in some cases, be a revert if it negat[es] the effects of one or more edits, but generally an addition will not be a revert. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't really answer my question regarding removal of content, so I'll ask it again. Is the removal of content by definition considered a revert? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After some amount of time which is highly variable and seldom agreed on content becomes the status quo and removing it is a bold edit rather than a revert. If you're editing in a contentious topic it's safest to assume that any removal is a revert. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your answer just adds more confusion. Am I expected to see how long the content has existed before removing it in order for it not to count as a revert? If so, how long would "some amount of time" be? - a question that you yourself answered with "highly variable and seldom agreed on".
I thought Wikipedia is not supposed to be bureaucractic. Bottom line: I think you jumped the gun accusing me of violating WP:1RR, and would appreciate if you issued a retraction. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can assure you that I did not jump the gun. Please do not violate 1rr again. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have literally failed to make the case that this edit was a revert. Move on. There is no need to continue this pointless conversation. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 22:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It reverted this edit which added they were Syrian children. nableezy - 06:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That edit was 10 days prior. Calling it a revert is the equivalent of saying that any content removal is a revert. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 12:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, any content removal is a revert, one needs to examine the circumstances, 10 days is recent in my view, I suspect that would be the view of a majority of seasoned editors, so you would do well to attend to it. Selfstudier (talk) 13:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's also not just time, it's stability, it's other edits leaving it intact, or building on it. It's complicated, so it's best to assume any removal is a revert. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]