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Ruigeroeland
How did you get accesss to all of those Zootaxa sources? I would like to help you out so that I can get them redacted from the page history. Scorpions1325 (talk) 12:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Scorpions1325, Let me send you a message over on discord. — The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 14:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I can safely say that all content that plagiarizes more than 250 bytes of Zootaxa can be redacted. All of the ones that I checked were egregious enough. Scorpions1325 (talk) 22:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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Administrators' newsletter – August 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2024).
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- Global blocks may now target accounts as well as IP's. Administrators may locally unblock when appropriate.
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Arbitration
- The Arbitration Committee appointed the following administrators to the conflict of interest volunteer response team: Bilby, Extraordinary Writ
Question from Yeatard (02:48, 10 August 2024)
I have realized my name sounds like a slur, is there a way I can change it to something else, so it doesn't sound like a slur? --Yeatard (talk) 02:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yeatard, Yes, you can change your username. For simple requests: If you have a confrimed email, you can use this link. If you don't have a confrimed email, click this link. I would highly recommend you read WP:Changing username before changing your name. That page should give you all information you need. Hope this helps. — The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 15:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Copyright violation on The Proofreaders' Page page
Hi,
I'm advised that you removed the text I added to https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/The_Proofreaders%27_Page_and_Other_Uncollected_Items in my attempts to quote a source as demanded by one of Wikipedia's random bots.
I can quite accept that the approach I used to quote a source might not be right as I don't understand the Wikipedia approach at all, but given this was a quotation BY Google of text that I wrote, could you clarify quite how it constitutes a copyright violation?
Regards,
Phil S-P Philsp (talk) 21:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Philsp: here's the problem. Even if you own the text, Wikipedia can not host the text since it's still protected under copyright. Even if you are the owner of the copyrighted material, you adding the text to an article doesn't give Wikipedia the right to host said content. You must explicitly give permission to Wikipedia to use host your copyrighted content. You can give Wikipedia permission by visiting this page and following the steps listed on that page. If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask. The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 22:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this, but the text is NOT copyrighted - it was made freely available as publicity information to go with the book which is why Google, Amazon and anybody else can quote it at will. Text is only copyrighted if I explicitly copyright it and I have not done so in this case. Philsp (talk) 07:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Philsp: unless it explicitly says the text is public domain or under a license, it's copyrighted. Just because it's "freely available," doesn't mean it's free of copyright. Not like you should even be adding the text anyways, promoting your own content. If you wrote the text, there should be no reason for you to be adding it to an article about a book which you wrote. The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 15:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- OK, I give up. I have no idea how I can write an article without adding text that I wrote (which is a contradiction in terms) nor how one piece of text that I wrote magically differs in some way from another piece of text that I wrote, nor, indeed, how I am supposed to flag everything I write as being public domain. I really don't have time for this nonsense any more - I added the page 13 years ago in good faith and there's really little more I can say. Philsp (talk) 20:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Philsp: I get that you added page in good faith, but I'm just here to tell you that the text you added was a copyright violation. Whether the page should be deleted or not is a different story and quite frankly, I don't really have an opinion on that. The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 19:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- And as I have said more than once, it was NOT a copyright violation. Your suggestion that all text is copyrighted unless "it explicitly says the text is public domain or under a license" is simply nonsense. There is no difference "of type" between the text I originally added to the article (which was not deemed a copyright violation) and the replacement (which was, for no valid reason) and there is no requirement for every line added to a Wikipedia article to be explicitly labelled as PD or licensed
- If you can explain why one piece of public domain text that I write IS a copyright violation and another piece ISN'T then I'd be happy to listen, but simply repeating the baseless claim that the text was a copyright violation is unhelpful.
- I agree that whether or not the page should be deleted is a different story, and is one I have very little interest in - I am only concerned with being repeatedly falsely accused of copyright violation when no such violation occurred. Philsp (talk) 19:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Philsp: I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say the "original text."
- When you say,
there is no requirement for every line added to a Wikipedia article to be explicitly labelled as PD or licensed
. Not necessarily, but if you copy from a copyrighted source, it has to fall under fair use. The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 19:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Philsp: I get that you added page in good faith, but I'm just here to tell you that the text you added was a copyright violation. Whether the page should be deleted or not is a different story and quite frankly, I don't really have an opinion on that. The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 19:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- OK, I give up. I have no idea how I can write an article without adding text that I wrote (which is a contradiction in terms) nor how one piece of text that I wrote magically differs in some way from another piece of text that I wrote, nor, indeed, how I am supposed to flag everything I write as being public domain. I really don't have time for this nonsense any more - I added the page 13 years ago in good faith and there's really little more I can say. Philsp (talk) 20:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Philsp: unless it explicitly says the text is public domain or under a license, it's copyrighted. Just because it's "freely available," doesn't mean it's free of copyright. Not like you should even be adding the text anyways, promoting your own content. If you wrote the text, there should be no reason for you to be adding it to an article about a book which you wrote. The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 15:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this, but the text is NOT copyrighted - it was made freely available as publicity information to go with the book which is why Google, Amazon and anybody else can quote it at will. Text is only copyrighted if I explicitly copyright it and I have not done so in this case. Philsp (talk) 07:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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WikiCup 2024 August newsletter
The fourth round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 29 August. Each of the 8 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 472 points, and the following contestants scored more than 700 points:
Generalissima (submissions) with 1,150 points, mostly from 3 featured articles, 2 featured lists, 7 good articles, and 13 did you know nominations;
Arconning (submissions) with 791 points, mostly from 2 featured lists, 8 good articles, 4 did you know nominations, and plenty of reviews;
AirshipJungleman29 (submissions) with 718 points, mostly from a high-multiplier featured article on Genghis Khan and 2 good articles; and
BennyOnTheLoose (submissions) with 714 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Susanna Hoffs, 2 featured lists, and 3 good articles.
Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated. Contestants put in extraordinary amounts of effort during this round, and their scores can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 36 featured articles, 55 featured lists, 15 good articles, 93 in the news credits, and at least 333 did you know credits. They have conducted 357 featured content reviews, as well as 553 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 30 articles to featured topics and good topics.
Any content promoted after 29 August but before the start of Round 5 can be claimed during Round 5, which starts on 1 September at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. If two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Remember to claim your points within 14 days of earning them, and importantly, before the deadline on 31 October.
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Administrators' newsletter – September 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2024).
Guideline and policy news
- Following an RfC, there is a new criterion for speedy deletion: C4, which
applies to unused maintenance categories, such as empty dated maintenance categories for dates in the past
. - A request for comment is open to discuss whether Notability (species) should be adopted as a subject-specific notability guideline.
Arbitration
- Following a motion, remedies 5.1 and 5.2 of World War II and the history of Jews in Poland (the topic and interaction bans on My very best wishes, respectively) were repealed.
- Remedy 3C of the German war effort case ("Cinderella157 German history topic ban") was suspended for a period of six months.
- The arbitration case Historical Elections is currently open. Proposed decision is expected by 3 September 2024 for this case.
Miscellaneous
- Editors can now enter into good article review circles, an alternative for informal quid pro quo arrangements, to have a GAN reviewed in return for reviewing a different editor's nomination.
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Guild of Copy Editors September Newsletter
Guild of Copy Editors September Newsletter
  Hello and welcome to the September newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since June. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. Election news: Project coordinators play an important role in our WikiProject. Following the mid-year Election of Coordinators, we welcomed Mox Eden to the coordinator team. Dhtwiki remains as Lead Coordinator, and Miniapolis and Wracking returned as assistant coordinators. If you'd like to help out behind the scenes, please consider taking part in our December election – watchlist our ombox for updates. Information about the role of coordinators can be found here. Blitz: 13 of the 24 editors who signed up for the June 2024 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 169,404 words comprising 41 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Drive: 38 of the 59 editors who signed up for the July 2024 Backlog Elimination Drive copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 482,133 words comprising 293 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Blitz: 10 of the 15 editors who signed up for the August 2024 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 71,294 words comprising 31 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Drive: Sign up here to earn barnstars in our month-long, in-progress September Backlog Elimination Drive. Progress report: As of 05:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 233 requests since 1 January, and the backlog of tagged articles stands at 2,824 articles. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we do without you! Cheers from Baffle gab1978 and your GOCE coordinators Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Mox Eden and Wracking. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.
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2 years late, but hi
Hello (not) new mentor Cornishrom20 (talk) 08:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Cornishrom20: Hello! The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 14:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- How are you? Cornishrom20 (talk) 07:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pretty good, and you? The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 00:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- How are you? Cornishrom20 (talk) 07:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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Administrators' newsletter – October 2024
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Administrator changes
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- Administrator elections are a proposed new process for selecting administrators, offering an alternative to requests for adminship (RfA). The first trial election will take place in October 2024, with candidate sign-up from October 8 to 14, a discussion phase from October 22 to 24, and SecurePoll voting from October 25 to 31. For questions or to help out, please visit the talk page at Wikipedia talk:Administrator elections.
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- The arbitration case Historical elections has been closed.
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Query on slideshow for my mentor
Hello, I wanted to add a slideshow of images to my user page. It functions nicely on desktop, but on the app it loads them all in a list. I have been informed this is a fallback due to javascript. I would have put the slideshow in a collapsed section, but when I did so, the images failed to load (unless I loaded the jump-to directly, rather than opening the collapse after the page had loaded).
I would like to know if there is a way to have my slideshow not display all of the images on mobile, while retaining functionality on desktop. If not, I will probably make a subpage for my slideshow.
Thanks --Cmrc23 (talk) 11:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hey @Cmrc23: sorry for not responding earlier, I've been a bit busy. To answer your question, I'm not sure. I'm not very knowledgeable about the tech side of Wikipedia. I would recommended asking Oshwah, he knows a lot more about that side of Wikipedia. Best, The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 16:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
A stamp for you!
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For your work at CCI |
| We'll get Werldwayd finished someday- but until then, here is a 1976 United States stamp in honour of all your work at CCI, and the two cases we've closed together. Though I may not understand how you survive in those temperatures, seeing this made me thing of you. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 09:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |
- GreenLipstickLesbian Thank you! I really appreciate it GLL! The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 04:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Question about copyright
Hello, I wanted to know if copying a reference from a Wikipedia article and pasting it in another article is considered a copyright policy violation or not? I am talking about this edit in particular. Thank you -- Mahan (talk) 19:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Mahan: No, it's not. Copyright wise, you're in the clear. I'm not going to comment on whether or not you should add the reference. I think that's an issue you should raise on the talk page. Best, The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 04:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
The Signpost: 19 October 2024
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Happy First Edit Day!
 | Happy First Edit Day! Hi The4lines! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! Adr28382 (Talk to me!) 05:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC) |  |
- Adr28382 Thanks! How time flies. The4lines |||| (Talk) (Contributions) 15:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
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WikiCup 2024 November newsletter
The 2024 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round being a very tight race. Our new champion is 
AirshipJungleman29 (submissions), who scored 2,283 points mainly through 3 high-multiplier FAs and 3 GAs on military history topics. By a 1% margin, Airship beat out last year's champion, 
BeanieFan11 (submissions), who scored second with 2,264 points, mainly from an impressive 58 GAs about athletes. In third place, 
Generalissima (submissions) scored 1,528 points, primarily from two FAs on U.S. Librarians of Congress and 20 GAs about various historical topics. Our other finalists are: 
Sammi Brie (submissions) with 879 points, 
Hey man im josh (submissions) with 533 points, 
BennyOnTheLoose (submissions) with 432 points, 
Arconning (submissions) with 244 points, and 
AryKun (submissions) with 15 points. Congratulations to our finalists and all who participated!
The final round was very productive, and contestants had 7 FAs, 9 FLs, 94 GAs, 73 FAC reviews, and 79 GAN reviews and peer reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!
All those who reached the final will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or in the event of a tie, to the overall leader in this field.
- Generalissima (submissions) wins the featured article prize for 3 FAs in round 4, and 7 FAs overall.
Hey man im josh (submissions) wins the featured list prize for 23 FLs overall.
MaranoFan (submissions) wins the featured topic prize for 9 articles in featured topics in round 1.- Hey man im josh (submissions) wins the featured content reviewer prize for 110 FA/FL reviews overall.
BeanieFan11 (submissions) wins the good article prize for 58 GAs in round 5, and 70 GAs overall.
Fritzmann (submissions) wins the good topic prize for 6 articles in good topics in round 2.
Sammi Brie (submissions) wins the good article reviewer prize for 45 GA reviews in round 2, and 78 GA reviews overall.- BeanieFan11 (submissions) wins the DYK prize, for 131 Did you know articles overall.
Muboshgu (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 15 In the news articles in round 1, and 36 overall.
Next year's competition will begin on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to see you all in the 2025 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement!
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Administrators' newsletter – November 2024
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- Following a discussion, the discussion-only period proposal that went for a trial to refine the requests for adminship (RfA) process has been discontinued.
- Following a request for comment, Administrator recall is adopted as a policy.
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- Mass deletions done with the Nuke tool now have the 'Nuke' tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. T366068
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- RoySmith, Barkeep49 and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2024 Arbitration Committee Elections. ThadeusOfNazereth and Dr vulpes are reserve commissioners.
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- The Arbitration Committee is seeking volunteers for roles such as clerks, access to the COI queue, checkuser, and oversight.
Miscellaneous
- An unreferenced articles backlog drive is happening in November 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles tagged with {{Unreferenced}}. You can help reduce the backlog by adding citations to these articles. Sign up to participate!
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