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Re: Betty Ford

~~https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/avproj/BettyFordWH-01.asp~~

~~https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/images/avproj/pop-ups/A1168-BF.html~~

Public Domain US Government photo-hi-res download also at the link. ;) I'd use {{PD-USGov}} We hope (talk) 10:30, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/avproj/BettyFordWH-03.asp

https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/images/avproj/pop-ups/A8704-BF.html

Here's the gown with the same criteria-PD and a hi-res download-license as above. We hope (talk) 10:34, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

bonus link

bonus link :-D We hope (talk) 11:08, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

We hope you totally ROCK! Not only the photo, but extra stuff too. The interview is amazing. Thank you, thank you, thank you! SusunW (talk) 14:25, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

File:Frankie Welch as bride 1944.jpg Photo of her when she was married in 1944. ;) We hope (talk) 21:02, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Yay! Thank you :D SusunW (talk) 21:21, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Feburary 2018 at Women in Red

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Marjorie Schick

You've put together a remarkably detailed account of Marjorie Schick and her creations. I've been through the whole article for copy editing but you should read it through carefully as there were a few passages I found difficult to interpret and I was unable to access the sources.

I wondered whether the section on 2000s should be divided up into the more traditional sections on Awards and Publications. I also read with interest Marjorie K. Schick -- Artist Statement and wondered whether it might to useful to include the second para as a "quote" in the biography. It's a pity there are no easy-to-find illustrations of her creations. Maybe others can help to look for them. In the meantime, I've included a link in External links. I think it is pretty close to GA but I fear some might call for a section on Critical assessment (although I realize you've included quite a bit in the body of the text). By the way, have you read Who's afraid of Marjorie Schick?? I found it quite revealing.--Ipigott (talk) 16:52, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott Thank you. Yes, it was frustrating that most of the sourcing and thus photographs of her work were on paywalled sites. Also I found it extremely difficult to try to explain the scope and magnitude of the pieces. A visual would work so much better. I love the quote, will definitely use it. I wish I had access to the book written about her, as 10 authorities wrote about her work, which would certainly give us a better idea of her impact. I also wish I had been able to find discussions on her work from the European press/academia. I think it would lend an aspect that is missing. But, clearly her work was valued, as the museum list is a who's who. I found nothing that discussed her publications or awards per se, though she entered and won multiple juried exhibitions from snippets I found in Craft World. Things written about her, but not by her. Possibly rather than publications I could list her exhibitions. I think I found a list somewhere. SusunW (talk) 17:40, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I see you've already added awards and exhibits. On publications, the following might be worth mentioning (although at least two of them appear to have been published to accompany exhibitions):

Schick, Marjorie; Rosolowski, Tacey (2007). Sculpture to wear: the Jewelry of Marjorie Schick. Arnoldsche. ISBN 9783897902589.

Schick, Marjorie (1985). Body works & wearable sculpture: exhibition organized for Visual Arts Center of Alaska, Anchorage, Alaska, april 22 - may 18, 1985 and University of Alaska Museu, Fairbanks, Alaska, may 24 - july 7, 1985, 1985. Visual Arts Center of Alaska. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

Schick, Marjorie; Rosolowski, Tacey (2007). Sculpture transformed: the work of Marjorie Schick. International Arts & Artists. ISBN 978-0976710226.

Rosolowski, Tacey; Schick, Marjorie (2008). Sculpture for the body: taking the human body as her central theme, American artist Marjorie Schick creates and explores a wide range of dramatic, theatrical forms, uniting graphic appearance and complex wearable constructions. Craft Arts International, Sydney.

You could either include these in the body of the article or under Further reading.--Ipigott (talk) 10:35, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

I've just come across this rather well presented obituary in Dutch. It provides a much more complete list of her exhibitions and also has an interesting bibliography.--Ipigott (talk) 10:47, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you again, Ipigott The Dutch list is the one I used :) I tried to find other sources which confirmed the shows and ended up adding one it Italy and one at the Smithsonian that I found while trying to confirm ones on that list. I didn't list them all, but most of them. (I was also totally frustrated that I couldn't find more than a passing mention to a show of hers at the Smithsonian in 2011. I got the idea that it was a solo show, but maybe I misread the source. Still, one would think that there would be better coverage.) I will list the three publications I haven't already used in further reading. I found the one from Sydney earlier and though it is paywalled, I have access. Thank goodness for EBSCO and WP access to it, or I wouldn't have been able to write the article. SusunW (talk) 15:42, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

I think it's now well up to standard for GA. Well done!--Ipigott (talk) 16:04, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

As always, Ipigott I am so very appreciative of your input and help. Except for not having pictures of her work, I'm happy with it. Hopefully, over time, those may surface :) SusunW (talk) 16:07, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

WiR request

Hi! I noticed you are part of the translation project and was wondering if you would be willing to write other language versions of the article on the Hujum, perhaps for the German and Spanish wikis? It would be much appreciated. Thank you.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 22:13, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, PlanespotterA320 I can read other languages, but am not proficient enough to write in them. I can translate from something else to English, but not the other way around. SusunW (talk) 22:16, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for improving article quality in January 2018! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda Arendt! I was sort of just looking at my contributions this month and feeling that I had written very little this month. The two big articles on Native American fashion and Marjorie Schick took up much of my time, but I thought they were significant subjects that deserved a lot of attention. It is sometimes hard to balance filling the gaps with my own desire to write quality, comprehensive articles. So much to do, so little time...you have put it back into perspective for me today, when I was feeling disheartened with my production. ;) SusunW (talk) 16:25, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! - I know what you mean. Yesterday, I wanted just to check an article for quality, then found this wonderful new recording, added it, six red links if I wanted, well, I filled one today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:31, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

University of the West Indies

Actually, it's at Category:University of the West Indies academics. I don't know why the difference in verbiage, but it appears to have something to do with British vs. American styles. (That said, I'll create a redirect nonetheless...those are always useful.) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:53, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Bless you, Ser Amantio di Nicolao. I would never, ever have thought of that. Typically I find that British unis are the reverse, i.e. Faculty of the XXX, of US, i.e. XXX faculty, but that listing seems totally out in left field to me. SusunW (talk) 17:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Might be something worth taking up with CfD sometime...not high on my list at the moment. :-) I've never understood why the distinction, myself. Just one of those things I accept. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:06, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Already closed

Hi Susun, I just wanted to let you know that the Rationalobserver block appeal was already closed (as declined) at the time of your comment. Speaking with my clerk hat on, would you consider self-reverting your comment? Thanks! Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 23:44, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

(It looks like this has already been done by JJMC89.) Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 23:45, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

L235 I got an edit conflict message three times before I was actually able to save it. In light of that, my comment was actually there before it was closed, but thankfully doesn't change the outcome. SusunW (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Precious

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda Arendt for your constant thoughtfulness. SusunW (talk) 14:32, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

question about Njideka Akunyili Crosby article

I was considering working on Njideka Akunyili Crosby for this month's editathon: Black Women. It looks like I would have to cut out a lot of promotional information. I think she has enough sources to meet notability guidelines, but I would have to delete a lot of the promotional information.

Is it ok to take out a lot of text if it does not meet guidelines? MauraWen (talk) 17:57, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

MauraWen absolutely! And you definitely should, as it has already been tagged with suspected COI (conflict of interest) which is a definite marker that it is too promotional. SusunW (talk) 18:41, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

SusunW Thx! and sorry for the duplicate sentences. I need to do a better job of proofreading. MauraWen (talk) 18:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

MauraWen LOL. I type really fast and am often missing a letter here and there. For some reason my "l" key sticks all the time and doesn't type. Then there's the whole get a word-stuck-in-your-head phenomenon. Thank goodness for thesauruses. When I re-read the text I have written, I try to catch the errors, but oftentimes someone else comes along and fixes stuff for me. I think it's one of the reasons I enjoy collaborative projects. We all help each other make things better ;) SusunW (talk) 18:54, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Women's History Month 2018 at Women in Red

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My hat is off to you

I am just dropping by to salute you. I happen to notice the amazing work that you have done in Wikipedia in regard to the biographies that you have written. This world needs more people like you to tell the stories of these fantastic women and their contributions to the world. More too often the contributions which women and minorities have made are omitted from our history books and fall into the cracks of history only to be forgotten. That is why I write in Wikipedia and feel proud to find someone like you doing the same. Keep up your outstanding work. Tony the Marine (talk) 04:51, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you Tony the Marine. I am always surprised when my work is noticed by other Wikipedians. As you say in your bio, "Our history books failed to make mention of the numerous contributions which Hispanics [I would add blacks, indigenous peoples, Asians, and women] have made to the formation of our country". When I was growing up, there were virtually no inclusionary studies. Our history books told us only about powerful people, mainstream movements, and the like. That selective retelling of history, always made me want to find out the "real story". It's a tiny contribution in comparison to all the knowledge that has been ignored, but if in some small way I can tell the stories of diversity, maybe someday our kids will see a different world and feel that their people were part of creating it. SusunW (talk) 14:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Talkback

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Your GA nomination of Marjorie Schick

The article Marjorie Schick you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Marjorie Schick for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Rachel Helps (BYU) -- Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 22:41, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

I see it's now GA. Well done, once again, Susun!--Ipigott (talk) 21:18, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Well, you know Ian any of the GA I have done only came about with the help of others. Once Doc became less active, I have relied more heavily on you. I honestly believe that I couldn't do it without your help and guidance. SusunW (talk) 21:23, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Great

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Thanks for your tireless contribution. --Titodutta (talk) 15:38, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much Titodutta. Hoping to have a very productive women's month! SusunW (talk) 15:49, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for improving article quality in Febuary 2018! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda Arendt! little by little we go forward. Do we know someone who speaks Spanish would would be willing to review a GA nominee of mine that has been hanging out since September? All of the sources are in Spanish, but I'd love to get the GA status on Carmen Casco de Lara Castro for Women's Month. SusunW (talk) 15:26, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Let's try Razr Nation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda Arendt, that would be awesome. Casco is one of my sheroes and it would be fantastic to have her reviewed this month if at all possible. SusunW (talk) 16:51, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello Susan, I just read through Elmina R. Lucke; what an incredible person! Thank you for your many contributions here on Wikipedia. Thsmi002 (talk) 00:33, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

I enjoyed learning about her too. And thank you for your lovely comments. I really appreciate them. SusunW (talk) 06:29, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

New Page Reviewing

Hello, SusunW.

I've seen you editing recently and you seem like an experienced Wikipedia editor.
Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After gaining the flag, patrolling is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the tutorial before making your decision. Thanks. —usernamekiran(talk) 18:15, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

usernamekiran not my cup of tea. I have no desire to be an admin, new page reviewer or anything else that requires policing. I am much better at helping people create content ;) If you need help anytime, just message me and I'll give it my best shot. SusunW (talk) 19:41, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Tireless indeed

Thank you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:26, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

From me too. I hope DYK will turn out eight good hooks to celebrate IWD on 8 March, and that TFA etc will join in as well. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:31, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

The TFA was planned long ago, that's what the cabal of the outcasts does for you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:33, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Floquenbeam, I really do try to produce quality articles. The Rambling Man, I do hope that there are 8 hooks accepted for March 8th, but it is truly too difficult for me to deal with. I am totally awful at coming up with hooks. I used to get nailed repeatedly for them being not interesting enough. I read she was an anti-Apartheid activist, and I think, "cool, how interesting", others read it and just say, "boring". (For the record, I struggled through a popular culture course in college. I had never seen any of the movies or television programs that were required. My drummer has always marched to a different beat.) SusunW (talk) 23:05, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Well if there's one thing I'm good at doing, apart from annoying "admins", it's extracting good hooks from articles, so if you ever feel so inclined, drop me a line, and I'll be sure to create something awesome out of your work. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:08, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

The Rambling Man: I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say that (apart from the redirects) every single one of Susun's new articles is well up to DYK standard. You can easily turn them up here. I would certainly welcome seeing some of her excellent contributions on DYK once again. Not too long ago, they appeared regularly.--Ipigott (talk) 14:44, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, that will depend on SusunW's input. I won't be just cherry-picking other people's good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man and Ipigott: If I must do the QPQ and nomination, I truly do not have time right now between writing articles for women's month and real life concerns. But, if someone else is willing to nominate an article and follow it through, Marjorie Schick which was just completed as a GA would be a good choice. SusunW (talk) 14:58, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

The Rambling Man: Maybe the procedures have changed but I remember how pleased I always was in the old days when one of my articles was nominated by someone else for DYK. I think all my more recent DYKs are a result of collaborative work or of articles reaching GA. Perhaps selecting interesting articles created by others would help to increase interest in participation.--Ipigott (talk) 15:10, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Sure, so please do so. I rarely take part in actual process, I just try to check every single hook and related article for quality (or mostly, lack of) before it lands on the main page. If you want to get DYK to improve, probably best to leave some suggestions at the project instead of continually pinging me. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:17, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi again

I wonder if you could clip for me this article about Oleta Crain; I think it's in the lefthand column. Thanks so much, Yoninah (talk) 00:24, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Yoninah Here you go [1] Happy Women's Day! :) SusunW (talk) 00:32, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

That was fast, thanks! Happy Women's Day to you, too! Yoninah (talk) 00:34, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, I had a break in action, had just moved my draft to main space and figured I'd clip your article before I did the gnoming :) SusunW (talk) 00:59, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

April 2018 at Women in Red

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Thank you so much for your help on the MeToo lede

I just wanted to thank you for your help on the lede for the Me Too page! Your time and expertise are greatly appreciated. It reads like a real encyclopedia entry and I'm excited to hopefully get it on the Me Too page :)

Have a great day, Lonehexagon (talk) 21:41, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Lonehexagon, no problem. Good luck with the article. SusunW (talk) 21:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Germany and the second wave of feminism

There is a new article on this topic, Feminism in Germany, The Emergence of the Second Wave, which contains more historical background than information on the second wave. Any ideas on how we can proceed?--Ipigott (talk) 16:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott I agree that the first part of the article is more in line with second-wave feminism, but it looks like Sigrid Rüger, Aktionsrat zur Befreiung der Frauen, and Weiberräte might have been liberationist. The primary key is were the radical groups focused on sexism and an overthrow of patriarchy, as opposed to reformist? Outside of the US, there seems to have been political ties to class, so I don't rule that out as a marker, but if sexism isn't included, it wasn't liberationist. By the by, I guess you saw my note on the WiR talk page. There are articles in French and German about the French and Swiss movements. SusunW (talk) 17:05, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

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May 2018 at Women in Red

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Thank you ...

... for improving article quality in March! Happy Easter! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda Arendt for all of your encouragement! I adore learning about the women I write about. May you enjoy your holiday and celebration. SusunW (talk) 15:19, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Happy Easter! We sang more, deeper, and better than ever ;) - The Alleluia last night was particularly intense. Several more red links ;) - On Good Friday, I came to see the opera based on the audio play by the woman I wanted for my DYK #1000, - deeply moving. If you have the time, look at the trailer, on her page or here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Her story is one of such triumph. Thank you for sharing it Gerda Arendt. I shall never figure out why we allow our history to continue to be that of "great men". I get that centuries ago when kings and generals and popes were the only people who could read and write, they could tell our stories however they wanted, but that hasn't been true for centuries. We now know that powerful people come and go, but they aren't actually the movers and drivers of our societies. It is the hundreds of thousands of women and men who actually feed us, provide for our welfare, and stimulate our learning that are the real sustainers of society. Someday, maybe our history will actually be reflective of the contributions of the many rather than a few. SusunW (talk) 16:16, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

... and in April! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:21, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Great post

This is a great post. Thanks for contributing. --Titodutta (talk) 19:11, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Titodutta. Hard to put into words, but I do truly believe in that jagged mosaic ;) SusunW (talk) 19:17, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Well done Susun Victuallers (talk) 21:04, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I love it, SusunW! So glad Malouma is pictured prominently, too! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:35, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Megalibrarygirl I wanted to use Maymie de Mena's photo, but commons said we couldn't. Thinking it was important to include the kind of inter-sectional women I prefer to write about, Malouma became the poster-woman ;) SusunW (talk) 21:59, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Agree, great post! Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

A dozen pix for you today

... and this one! Any pic before 1880 is fine. Victuallers (talk) 21:04, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Victuallers the nuances of photographs defy my ability to be logical. I am always panicked, is it about the date of the artwork? The date of the photograph of the artwork? The death of the artist? The death of the subject? Well, you see, it makes mybrain hurt. Far simpler to just ask you to help ;) SusunW (talk) 21:16, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Victuallers Can I use the two hotels for the article on Bacon? If they don't fit commons guidelines, since both are discussed in the article can they be fair use? SusunW (talk) 22:55, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I think the hotel pix are debatable - and commons does not usually give benefit of doubt. May be allowed under "for hire" and "70 years" but not sure of US law detail here. Sorry. Victuallers (talk) 07:30, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Women's liberation movement

Thanks, Susun, for all the improvements you have made to this article. It seems to me that given its current length, we are now reaching the point where we should either consider cutting it up into shorter pieces (e.g. a separate article on women's lib in the U.S.) or simply stop making any further substantial additions. As you are an expert in this area, I think you could advise on how proceed. If we could do a really good editing job on the article as it now stands and fill any important gaps, we could possibly put it forward for GA. Perhaps Megalibrarygirl would also like to comment.--Ipigott (talk) 14:04, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ipigott and Megalibrarygirl: I was having the same thought, that we split it up into various countries and have this one be an overview. From where we started, I was unsure if there would be enough info to do that, but clearly as it is developing, it was far more broad than the previous article indicated. Possibly we break it out into separate articles and then do a North American section, European section and Asian section? I have yet to discover any significant movement in Latin America or Africa, but they were still involved at that time in independence movements. Though it is very clear that they were impacted by the ideas of sexism, it happened later there. SusunW (talk) 16:25, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

If it is to be broken up, then I think we still need to have a "main article" which gives a good overview including basic details of developments around the world. Maybe we break off the section on women's lib in North America (USA and Canada) which would substantially reduce the size of the main article?--Ipigott (talk) 16:46, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ipigott and SusunW: as I was adding the info about Japan to the article, I realized we'd only hit the "tip of the iceberg" just for that country. I agree about North America, Europe and Asia. What about Australia though? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

BTW, I did find this image from Argentina in 1984. Maybe the women's lib movement was just slower to catch on there. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ipigott and Megalibrarygirl: Good catch, Sue, we'll need an Australia section too. And yes, that is what I think Ian, an overview and then individual country articles. That way we can tie into the Wikidata stuff and possibly make sense of it all. And yes, Sue, I had the same reaction. Tip of the iceburg, as I was writing Australia and Canada, I realized that there was so much more that could be input and so many more women who were involved. Imagine if we ever tackle all the second wave feminism movements. That will be a daunting task. ;) Possibly, Sue, as the dictatorship certainly would have slowed down any movements. The thing that identifies a movement as WL is a focus on sexism and creating separate spaces for women, as opposed to reforming existing spaces to include women. It's hard because of all the efforts to wipe out the movement because it was so misunderstood, so every piece of evidence has to be weighed. SusunW (talk) 17:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@SusunW and Ipigott: Well my Spanish-speaking friend may be able to tease it all apart for Argentina and Latin America. I'll set him on it. :) So are we all agreed to split the article up? We can always add Latin America and Africa later if something is found. I'm guessing that South Africa may have had such a movement. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:38, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ipigott and Megalibrarygirl: Yes, I think it best. I'm a bit hip deep right now, it's my b-day, but split away ;) I'll pop in and out as I can today. Any split off article should be added to the villains editathon, IMO. SusunW (talk) 17:42, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Have fun! I'll probably start splitting. I've found some photos, too. Enjoy yourself, me and Ipigott got this. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:50, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks :) I love that you have found photos! SusunW (talk) 18:25, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

A belated Happy Birthday from me too. It's a date we should all be able to remember.--Ipigott (talk) 06:19, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, Happy Birthday, SusunW! Also, a friendly FYI that the splitting needs to be sorted out a bit, so, if possible, please hold off making further changes to the article till we hear from Megalibrarygirl. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:38, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Ipigott and Rosiestep:. Okay, I was just putting some of the overall aims back in to the main article, but I'll go work on my woman of the sea ;) SusunW (talk) 16:51, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

"::::::::::::A friendly FYI that the splitting conversation is done so editing can continue full steam ahead! --Rosiestep (talk) 20:49, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Rosiestep! @Ipigott and Megalibrarygirl: do you think I put enough of the aims of the movement back into the main article? If so, I'm gonna move on for now to fleshing out Europe. SusunW (talk) 21:04, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Susun, I think the aims section looks good. My friend who is fluent in Spanish found some info for me to look over about Latin America, but I'm going to focus on Asia for now. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:09, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Very cool Megalibrarygirl, as I said at the get-go, we can work on improving the coverage all month and then add the articles to the villains editathon page ;) I am working on a villain right now, but will go back to the WL Europe tomorrow. Very glad you have found info on Latin America. Will be interested to see if we get enough to develop a page. SusunW (talk) 21:23, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

This is all coming along very well but I would have liked to see at least a short summary of developments in the major countries/continents. We need to remember that more readers will probably not open the new pages which are now being developed but will expect to obtain an overview from the WLM article. I think it would be good to have a fairly short section on, for example, "Devolpments around the globe" with links to the relevant "main" articles. I could help with this myself but given your special interest in the subject, Susun, it might be better to leave it to you.--Ipigott (talk) 07:59, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott Okay, Ian, I can do that, but think it will be easier after we have finished the sections to summarize the material. Can you work on Switzerland? de:Frauenbefreiungsbewegung SusunW (talk) 15:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

You are probably right but I think it would be useful at least to have a summary for the U.S. and Canada sooner rather than later. As for Europe, I'll try to put something together on Germany, Austria and Switzerland but it might take me a few days to find time for it. Finland could also be covered in connection with Sweden. I think we also need to include something on Israel. Lots of young European women went to the kibbutzes there in the 1970s to gain independence.--Ipigott (talk) 16:40, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay Ipigott and thank you. I'm working on Netherlands at the moment, but I'll work toward summarizing North America today. This book [2] might be helpful for Germany, as it gives both east and West. I'd love to have info on Israel! SusunW (talk) 16:48, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

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		I just now happened across Elmina R. Lucke which you recently wrote and was impressed. I then checked the list of articles you have created and was blown away. Thank you so much for your work on Wikipedia! Daask (talk) 14:07, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Daask. I try really hard to write well documented articles. Mostly I focus on minority women, women who are not English-speakers and women who have been ignored by the historic record, but are clearly notable. SusunW (talk) 14:37, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Your WMF blog post

We are reprinting your blog post in the next issue of the Signpost. I don't want to misrepresent anything you said/wrote and would like you to take a look at the drafted reprint before it gets published. I did some editing that I thought would clarify some of the content. Also, you can change anything you would like, expand it, remove content or other edits. You will find that I've included images and wikilinks that were not part of your original blog post along with some section titles to help break up the content. You will find the draft here: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Blog

Best Regards, Barbara ✐ ✉ 22:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

It's fine Barbara (WVS). I made two small edits. SusunW (talk) 22:24, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

You can make as many edits as you would like! I just wanted to make sure you were okay with what I did to your original content. I really liked your blog post. Best Regards, Barbara ✐ ✉ 22:43, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Barbara (WVS), I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm not likely to change it, as it was difficult for me to decide to write it to begin with. Had I not been asked, I am sure I would not have. Once it was "off my desk" I moved on to working on real articles ;) SusunW (talk) 22:52, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Great post "Why I write about women on Wikipedia"

I enjoyed your post very much.

I have a similar background in finding history a boring subject and being focused too much about "great men" and dry facts. When I became interested in my own family history back in the seventies, I found that history could actually be very interesting. I learned about amazing women in my family, starting from Ella who gave birth on the Oregon Trail in the 1840's, to her daughters and granddaughters whose stories of survival, tenacity, abuse, abandonment, independence, lawsuits, and murder inspired me to start reading social history about the "rest of us".

Thank you and your fellow editors for starting WikiProject Women in Red! It was a poorly written, misogynistic (my view) article on women in Anglo Saxon Society that led me to WikiProject Women last year and what I read on WikiProject Women inspired me to start contributing articles on women.

I learn so much from reading other women's biographies. The monthly editathon is not only a place I try to add or update biographies, but also a wonderful place for me to read about other women's accomplishments. I often order books at the library that are either written by women I have read about on Wikipedia or books on their art or their research findings.

I enjoyed reading the paragraph beginning with "While we focus on biographies of notable women, a critical part is adding links of those women to the world in which they participated" I am interested in learning more writing anchor articles, but I need to get some information together first and I will check in with you again with my questions. MauraWen (talk) 14:31, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you MauraWen, I too pursued my family history, but alas, I come from aliens, LOL. I strongly suspect that one ancestor was a Tory whose lands were confiscated to become the University of Pennsylvania, but in spite of years analyzing records cannot make a connection between my direct ancestor who arrived in western North Carolina around 1780 and the only other person in the colonies with his surname in Pennsylvania. Yet another line turned out to stem from a Hessian mercenary who was a very good spy for King George III. (His family papers were confiscated after his death and are part of a presidential library, which I was assigned to research in college—the library, not my ancestor.) He was such a good spy that he gave accurate details to troop movements and regiment organization and secured a pension from the US government who were convinced he fought for the continental army. The truth only came out after his death.

Ping me anytime. I enjoy collaborations and anchor articles are a way we can add women back into the history of the world. Even better if we can link articles on women's participation into world events. ;) SusunW (talk) 14:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

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