User talk:Sue Rangell/Archives/Monday 18th of March 2013 09:33:17 PM

Non-Admin Closures

Reminder: WP:NAC is not policy, it is only an essay. My closures follow WP:NACD (actual policy), thank you.

Please place your complaints here. It appears that no matter how an AfD is closed, it will offend SOMEBODY, therefore please place your complaints below. I will read them all, but I will not respond to them if they are rude. I am also likely to ignore your threats helpful comments and advice if your own closures are regularly up for deletion review... I do not take a simple head count of the !votes, I consider consensus and Wikipedia policy. I close Afds that are WP:SNOW keeps. Or if they are hopelessly locked, with three or more relistings, as WP:NOCONSENSUS. If they have less than three listings, I relist. If I closed a 20 day old hopelessly deadlocked discussion as "no consensus", please do not accuse me of doing a NAC on a "controversial" thread, as obviously there was no consensus, and it was wasting everyone's time, and needed to be closed. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 18:50, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I have undone your NAC as it met none of the criteria listed in the appropriate conditions for a NAC. Please review WP:NAC and restrict yourself to appropriate cases where appropriate. Hasteur (talk) 04:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

• You are free to do so of course, but I think it's a big waste of time. There is no chance of it being deleted. I closed it as "no consensus" because there isn't a consensus, nor will relisting likely result in a consensus, as it has already been relisted... In the interests of saving a lot of people a lot of time, I hope you will reconsider, but if not, it will most likely be closed as "No Consensus" anyway. Be well. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 04:30, 5 January 2013

You were wrong sue. The article was closed by an admin as a Keep. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 01:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

• There is no right or wrong. No need for drama. "No Consensus" defaults to "Keep", so there is no real difference in how the article was closed, just a (very slight) difference of opinion between the closing admin and myself. Since the nominator was angry at my closure for not DELETING it, I am sure the backlash would have been considerably more had I closed it as a Keep, rather than "No Consensus". Either way, the article still stands. It was not deleted. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 01:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Let me say this another way: You were unable to see the consensus that was right in front of you. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 01:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

• Let me say THIS another way... I don't like drama. I try to be very friendly to everyone that I meet on Wikipedia. The last thing I want to do is quibble with somebody, on my own talk page, the difference between a "No Consensus" and "Keep". It is the tiniest of judgment calls. The absolute tiniest. Other than what you are doing here, you seem like a very nice and rational person, so I am willing to discuss this trivial matter with you, but I will not muddy up my own talk page with it. This discussion must continue on your talk page, thank you. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 02:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

No Thanks.I have made my point PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 02:10, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

• Very well then, I appreciate your input. Happy editing! --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 02:20, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

WikiThanks

Thanks for the WP:WikiLove I wish you a peaceful holiday. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:27, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

I've sewn together a ribbon bar of your awards for your user page, if you like:

Oh thank you!! That was very nice! Have yourself a great Christmas! --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 03:35, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Updated to add "2" to anti-vandal ribbon. Still not sure why there is whitespace between them. Might be the ribbon images themselves meed cropping. Oh well. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:04, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

It looks good, I love it! Thank you so much! --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 05:58, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Account Creation Interface

I wish to have access to the account creation interface, so that I may assist with account creation requests. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/?diff=4915013&diffonly=yes --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 03:49, 26 December 2012 (UTC)  Done

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A Barnstar for You !

	The Civility Barnstar
	You seem to be have a problem in regards of the recently deleted page about a meme. Thank you for your great work on maintaining the encyclopedia against those wild swarm of IPs. Have a nice day! Mediran talk to me! 01:37, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

THANK YOU SO MUCH!! That may very well have been one of the wildest times I have ever had on Wikipedia. There was something like 12 IP vandals all saying Loveley Things. Reverting reversions as fast as they could be made. At one point the page was deleted only to be re-created instantly. I think they finally deleted it and salted it, due to the over-the-top efforts by the vandals. I felt like I was being swallowed up! :) --Sue Rangell 22:19, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome for that and don't mind those should I say "useless" IPs whose hobby is to vandalized and to harm only other editors like you. That is their problem now, at least, you have done your responsibility to collaboratively maintain this online encyclopedia. Have a nice day! :) Mediran ^{talk to me!} 02:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thrash Metal

did you see the reason. that other person Omair00 Cut it from the Metalcore Page, Im in the process of checking a few things and posting it back. If someone wants those points added to the story then, whoever does needs to re-write their own version of the same facts, not take it from Metalcore thats kind of ridiculous. Its going back I am checking some dates to put it BACK in to The METALCORE PAGE with more impact than before by Placing it as Chronological as possible. However if Wiki allows copying one page and posting word for word on another than it will be the second version as thats been on the Metalcore page for at Least One Year, If I remember correctly. maybe longer . hope that was clear and easy read. I am in hurricane crushed area.24.0.67.248 (talk) 06:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I can see that he simply copied it over. That's not very helpful or accurate. I will whitelist your edits. It will also help if you tag the page so people can tell you are working on it. Nice to meet you! --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 06:12, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi !, Nice to Meet you too. I was signed in and somehow when I left the message above I had been signed out somehow, have no idea, I am going to analyze and idealistically maximize. Thats really cool to have edits whitelisted. I feel like I won a Wiki Award. anyhow have a really great day/evening , and thanks for looking in to what my message meant. Thank You again Miss Sue Rangel CombatMarshmallow (talk) 06:22, 15 November 2012 (UTC).

You are very welcome! Just for the record, I am not an admin or anything like that, so you edits are only whitelisted on my own personal tools, but looking at the work that you are putting into these topics, it's clear that you are one of the good guys. Be well. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 06:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, I really like when people can "see" what my energy really is. Thank You You be Super-well. ! CombatMarshmallow (talk) 06:39, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I may go to sleep, been a long tired storm. I have the paragraph on my desktop and my plan as of now is wake up, and tomorrow blend and add that section/paragraph in to the Metalcore Page. Only because after a recharge I can assess the article and take appropriate action . Thanks again, times seven. CombatMarshmallow (talk) 06:47, 15 November 2012 (UTC).

Hi, I havent put the cut-paste material back in metalcore but the same person just changed the whole page again and its not in tune with consensus . erasing sourced material. the same material that got the one editor to semi-protect the page. this person has a lot of warnings maybe they go and erase pages often. He effectively erase how it started and got until today. could you please show me what to do, or have him stop erasing mtv bands and others with sourced material. he cant change history. at Metalcore this guy / vandalize-r http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Omair00 this person all it does lately is Erase at metalcore. funny thing his edits arent true. all the stuff he/she erases is sourced . sorry hope that was easy to read. happy turkey day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CombatMarshmallow (talk • contribs) 01:00, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I have restored the article to the consensus version, but you may want to check it to be sure. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 20:42, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank You. It looks like everything is there. have a great day/night . CombatMarshmallow (talk) 03:29, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sue Rangell , How are you! Happy New Year ! . that page http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Omair00 is at it same as before. that page reverted all that we did. Most everything that page does, gets reverted from what I checked at other pages. If you look at the page history of metalcore its basically nothing helpful from that page. its been months erasing sourced material, mtv and real bands, and erasing real history. what to do ? Thanks CombatMarshmallow (talk) 04:41, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

The article has been semi-protected until April, with yours as the last edit. You should be ok at this point. If not, remember the 3rr rule, and feel free to post back here if there are any more problems. Don't edit war. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 08:52, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	AfD Barnstar of Distinction
	Please accept this AfD Barnstar of Distinction and my personal gratitude for your tireless work in AfD. Every time I see the pastel cloud, I know that we we are one step closer to having a great encyclopedia. - MrX 01:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

WOW! Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!! I shall endeavor to continue doing my best! :) --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 21:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Many thanks for your edits RFD (talk) 15:48, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Wow thank you very much! I belive that is my first "Original" barnstar. It's one I've always kinda wanted because it was the first, thank you very very much, I really appreciate it. Your edits are pretty awesome too. :) Be well. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 18:58, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Susan Branch

Hi,

I just saw my submission for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Susan Branch was again declined. I really want to get this right, and I thought I had done that by following the previously posted guidelines. I beefed up the references, tried to make it basic black and white facts, and am confident her work is notable.

You stated the article could be possible if sourcing were improved. Can you please explain that a little more so I can do just that and finish this up?

Thanks so much for your help and your comments. I really want to make this work.

Editwriter98 (talk) 15:30, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

The article has a number of issues. (Not just the sourcing) Most of it is simply due to your inexperience with Wikipedia. If you like, I would be happy to rework the article with you. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 18:44, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I would most gratefully and humbly accept that offer! I thought I was doing things correctly, but am not getting it quite the way Wiki wants it. What would you recommend as my next step?

Editwriter98 (talk) 16:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

The next step is for me to have a look at the article. Give me a day or three to play with it and see if I can find some sourcing. :) --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 18:42, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I cannot thank you enough for your help. I really appreciate it!

Editwriter98 (talk) 19:59, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I made some changes for you, I hope you appreciate them. You might want to consider researching some of the other similar articles about other authors and examine how they are worded, formatted, etc. It will give you a better handle on improving this article, or writing similar ones. Be well. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 21:38, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I appreciate your comments and your willingness to spend time on this more than you can know. Thank you so much for your help, your additions, and your time. I will continue to look at other similar articles and try to refine it even more. As far as the sourcing, do you think I need more references or is it sufficient? thanks againa nd all the best in the new year to you and yours! Editwriter98 (talk) 15:44, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thanks for all your hard-work in WP:AFD and WP:PROD. Keep it up! LlamaAl (talk) 00:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

You are very welcome, thank you very much! --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 00:46, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 00:59, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Question

Hello Sue Rangell, I recently noticed that you added "The Barnstar of Diplomacy" to the page User talk:Beyond My Ken ([2]). May I ask you why? I find it hard to understand, considering the user in question recently violated WP:3RR (see [3], [4], [5] and [6] [he even made further reverts during the next few hours, as you can see at [7]]), and then went to my talk page, and threatened to report me for "disruptive editing", even though I had not violated the 3RR. In the history of his talk page, one can find material such as "You are totally out of your league in this instance, so I suggest you deal with subjects about which you know something, and keep your nose out of things about which you clearly know nothing. In other words: please fuck off." ([8]), as well as an edit summary containing the passage "this piece of bullshit" ([9]). The user in question also strikes me as uncooperative; I invited him to take part in a discussion found at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music, and he ignored that ([10]). This is not what I associate with diplomacy, and I'm curious why you appear to think otherwise. Best wishes, Toccata quarta (talk) 13:44, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello! It is nice to meet you. The barnstar I awarded him was a reflection on my experience with him in the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Susan Essien Etok discussion. Even as other editors were getting nasty, he seemed to be keeping a cool head and remained quite civil with me. The 3RR rule is a very important rule, and editwarring is not acceptable. If you feel he has done anything untoward, you should report it. My barnstar comes from my own experience with this editor, and reflects that. I am very sorry that you did not enjoy the positive experience that I did with this editor, as you seem to be a very nice person. This just goes to show that we, as human beings, tend to have many faces. One person's thorn-in-the-side can obviously be another person's barnstar awardee. Be well, and have a wonderful new year. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 19:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Yet another Barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		To also reiterate thanks for your much improved comments and work at WP:AfD and your particularly supportive 'oppose' on Darkwind's RfA. As you said, truly an experience I'd never wish on any editor, friend or foe. Mkdwtalk 08:15, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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NAC again...

Per the previous discussion about Non-Admin Closures of AfDs, I would like to invite you to re-nominate MUD trees for deletion.

1. I was under the impression that you agreed to restrict yourself to only the most obvious AfDs when performing a non-admin closure as evidenced in the earlier discussions here on your talk page.
2. It is considered best practice to only NAC items that are unanimous keeps or merges. As evidenced at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MUD trees this was not the case.
3. As evidenced at ANI it was observed that there had been a external canvassing attempt.
4. Per the directions at WP:DRV, I am attempting to discuss the issue with the one involved in the closure. As the original AfD was tainted by the effort of a canvassing attempt I think that re-opening the AfD after the closure is not in the best interests of Wikipedia.

If you do not intend to re-nominate, I will request a review at WP:DRV citing the above inconsistencies with the first AfD. Please let me know within a reasonable time (~3 days) so that the issue may be addressed. Hasteur (talk) 17:44, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

I think you can just revert your closure, and then relist. Alternatively, I can do it for you at your request. DGG ( talk ) 05:02, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Hasteur, you've been around long enough to know better. It was a good close, NAC or not. --Nouniquenames 02:43, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Rigged votes/WP:MEAT violation. Thank you. Hasteur (talk) 17:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Resilient Barnstar

Hey Sue. It's been days since you last edited here in the English Wikipedia and it's really worrying me and probably the rest of Wikipedia that you might not come back after that issue at ANI, I guess. Wikipedia needs great people like you and I hope you edit back and help again to improve this encyclopedia you once lived with. Now, at this very moment, I award you this Resilient Barnstar to cheer you up and as per this Barnstar is awarded to any editor who learns and improves from criticisms, never letting mistakes impede their growth as an editor. I wish anything that happen in the past is that you will learn from it and let's just get back in building this encyclopedia. "There's nothing as exciting as a comeback - seeing someone with dreams, watching them fail, and then getting a second chance. " - Rachel Griffiths ;) Mediran (t • c) 09:30, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

When I run into a problem like that, I don't run away. I won't ever leave Wikipedia so no worries there. If the drama gets too thick, I simply move to a different area of Wikipedia. I have been focusing on more administrative aspects of Wikipedia, such as Account Creation. So don't worry, I'm always here. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 19:14, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

RfC input needed

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