User talk:Somno/Archive 4

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Thankyou

As you could obviously tell, I'm new to wiki and your help in writing my articles to a higher standard is really appreciated. If you spot anything else thats out of place please let me know. Once again thanx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatelyb (talk • contribs) 05:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I think i can i think i can

I think there is enough henirietta material to get either a generic northbridge nightclub art up - I checked henrietta for nightclubs of perth: and might not need much to actually get a stub up and running Satu Suro 13:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh no, don't mention more stuff I might find interesting! Since uni's started again I've already signed up for improving Geelong Football Club - I can't take more on! ;) That said though, I do hope User:Hkneen‎ responds re: Planet Nightclub, because Thermos Cardy played at one of the best shows I ever saw there. Somno (talk) 13:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC) well my club days are so dark and deep in past they have all long gone :) - but material sufficient in henrietta for a stub is encouraging - ill do it first then let you know Satu Suro 13:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey Mr. Australian

SO you're bent on deleting my articles, huh? Well could you please explain, in English, why. Thanks a lot...--Watchout4snakes! (talk) 21:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Watchout4snakes! I'm not "bent" on deleting any articles, but the articles I've prodded do not meet the notability guideline for novels. The articles consist solely of "in-universe" information, with no references. That is why I believe they should be deleted. Hope that helps. Somno (talk) 00:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Template: Savannah College of Art and Design

It is not that big of a deal or anything, but there are some college/university navbars that have unique fonts on the heading. The only reason I did it like that, is because that specific font is very recognizable with SCAD. Rtr10 (talk) 04:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

No worries. I prefer the plain version, but I'm not bothered either way. ;) Somno (talk) 13:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diary of a Teenage Girl

Since you started the AFD debate, and since no other editors recommended Delete, you can indeed withdraw your nomination. And, since that seemed to be your intent, I went ahead and closed the debate as withdrawn. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Best, UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 18:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic, thanks for your help. If I'd been the one who added the prod tag and started the AFD, I'd have just withdrawn the AFD, but I was unsure because there was an implied delete vote from another editor who prodded it. Thanks again. Somno (talk) 13:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Chiropractic

Somno I have sorces that chiropracting is based on pesudoscience, actual M.D's writen material. So leave my edits alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manlyman1994 (talk • contribs) 07:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not the only one who's reverted your nonsense and vandalism. If you have such sources, use them in the article. Somno (talk) 07:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

why do you defend chiropractors anyways, they're quacks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manlyman1994 (talk • contribs) 08:07, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Please remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~), which will produce a signature automatically. I couldn't care less about chiropractors; my concern is that you're adding your personal opinions to articles, which violates the neutral point of view and verifiability policies. Somno (talk) 08:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Craig Betts

Dear Sommo

I am a professional person and I have just signed up on Wikipedia. Do you need any additional info on me to be submitted into this site? If my details are not applicable for insertion, then please delete all my details. All the best, Craig Betts —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craig Betts (talk • contribs) 01:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Craig, I will add a "welcome" template to your talk page that will give you some help with editing Wikipedia. Regards, Somno (talk) 02:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

...for patrollin' my pages, and cleaning them up. :) --Blehfu (talk) 08:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

No worries. When there's that kind of junk put on your user page, you know you're doing something right. ;) Somno (talk) 08:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Alf Barbagallo

http://henrietta.liswa.wa.gov.au/search/X?SEARCH=barbagallo&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=D is one way to start - not easy but Satu Suro 02:26, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I will check it out. I'm now working on Telfer's article... anything to avoid uni work, I guess! :) Somno (talk) 02:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Ahh therein lies something that I indeed can relate to :| Satu Suro 02:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

With your access

To your magic box of tricks (certain databases that is) - could you please do a once over of my recents? bill and lucky? it would be aprecciated and as im not a dyk type, any beefing up is fine - if you so feel inclined - cheers Satu Suro 01:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I like the idea that I have a magic box of tricks! The magic's not there for Barbagallo at the moment though. I will have a look at the articles today. Somno (talk) 02:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Bills looking great - there are more hooks in lucky's art than there are in a deep sea fishing line - but... please email me at some stage - thanks Satu Suro 04:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I left Lucky's article until later because there's heaps of info on him, and I have to work on an essay today! :) Somno (talk) 05:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Back to work email replied thanks Satu Suro 05:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Danish Drummer

Hi, I removed your CsD and just added "weasel" at the top, and some "fact?" tags throughout the text. I guess the article is notable enough when properly sourced. (That is: if everything he claims can actually be verified) Hope you agree! Stijndon (talk) 09:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Stijndon, the CSD tag was not for notability, it was because the article's a direct copy from here: http://www.pasborg.dk/pasborg_biography.doc Somno (talk) 09:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFF

Hey, sorry you never got a response to your request for feedback on Sindy. Did you still have any questions about it? If so you can always ask me on my talk page (about that article or any other), I'm always glad to try and help out. I'm going to go ahead and tag the section resolved, but definitely let me know if you need anything, or feel free to file another request. Peace, delldot talk 03:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for following up. The article's since been made a Good Article and gone to Peer Review, so I don't need any more feedback at this time. I think Request for Feedback should be scrapped - not enough response, and it's not clear enough what it's there for, hence why a lot of editors are posting random stuff like the entire contents of new articles. Thanks anyway! Somno (talk) 03:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Great work on Sindy! I can certainly see why you'd think it should be scrapped given the response you got. It seems like it gets few enough requests that a couple dedicated people could keep it under control. I might start helping out there, and others are taking interest too, so hopefully it'll pick up. Peace, delldot talk 04:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Portal link Bankstown

I cant see why the link to the portal had to be removed from every single article that it was in. Why would it be irrelavent in the city of Bankstown article or the bankstown article. All the articles were related to the city of Bankstown. I believe admin who removed all those links has a grudge against me because he had me blocked once and is doing this to annoy. If the links should be at the bottom of the page then why were they not removed there. Shouldn't they have waited until the portal was deleted. Also why would they be calling it spam when all I am trying to do is contribute to wikipedia and trying to help build on topics about Bankstown and link them up. I think some of the admins on this site a bit narrow minded in some cases. This seems a bit like victimization Adam (talk) 03:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say it was irrelevant to either of those articles. I just think it should be considered before being inserted automatically into every article that mentions the City of Bankstown as part of a template, and it certainly shouldn't be linked to instead of the City of Bankstown article at the top of the template. I can't comment on the actions of anyone else or whether the portal will or should be deleted. I respect your work on the portal (I've done a lot of work at the WA portal), and think you should have your say at the Australian noticeboard (there's a link on your talk page). Somno (talk) 03:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

The reason I didn't comment on the notice board is because I wasn't actually worried about this being deleted. Also I have come across other temps with the commens media link and portal link in them and no one complains about these. I think its a good idea to save a few edits Adam (talk) 03:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Does that mean you don't mind if it's deleted, or you don't think it will be deleted? Perhaps no one's mentioned the links in those templates because they haven't noticed, or because they make a lot of sense there? Hard to comment without knowing exactly which ones you're referring to. Regards, Somno (talk) 03:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I found them somewhere along my travels, I forget which ones they were. I meant that I wasn't concerned about it being deleted but I can see that user Steven is trying to entrap me by undoing all of my edits concerning the portal links and draw me into some kind of edit ware and then get me blocked. I think I may have to report this somewhere. Also I know that this admin like to stalk edits and change things just to get under your skin. Adam (talk) 03:22, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried discussing it with him? Perhaps he can explain his reasoning? Or if you say your point of view on the noticeboard, perhaps a consensus can be established and the links kept? Somno (talk) 03:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I have a feeling that this may be like talking to a brick wall due to the fact that I have been blocked a couple of times by these admins so I think there might be some bias involved. Also if the Bankstown Bunker article and the subject itself is in the City of Bankstown then why is it irrelevant to have the portal link in the article especially when the article is in the portal, its like not having the Portal Military Australia not in an article about the Australian army , regardless of how shameful there history is Adam (talk) 07:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I just didn't see someone looking at the Bankstown Bunker article, then deciding to go to the portal. It seems, to me anyway, just related to the City of Bankstown article and not as much to other articles about things/places in Bankstown. I didn't create the WA portal, so I don't know the reasoning behind this, but as a comparison it's only linked to from a few articles. Somno (talk) 03:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Telfer, Western Australia

On 8 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Telfer, Western Australia, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 07:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Data Vault Modeling

Pleas do not delete the Data Vault modeling page. It is NOT promoting a product. Data Vault modeling is known as common foundational data warehouse modeling architecture. It is publicly available as a viable data modeling technique (just like 3rd normal form and Star Schema) on www.TDAN.com (the data administration newsletter). I've got a book I published recently about the Data Vault Modeling. Data Vault modeling is different than what you would consider "data vault security" technology from Oracle. I have hundreds of users all over the world who rely on this form of Data Modeling to build their enterprise data warehouses. I feel it would be unfair for you to delete the page, and leave Dr. Ralph Kimballs pages about Star Schema, and 3rd Normal form pages. The Data Vault modeling techniques are not something you buy, in fact, you can't buy it. You read about it, and build enterprise data warehouses from it. It has been endorsed by Clive Finkelstein, Stephen Brobst, Bill Inmon, Claudia Imhoff, and so on. My web-site: http://www.DanLinstedt.com doesn't sell anything, in fact it's a FREE knowledge portal / forums site for people wanting to discuss Data Vault Modeling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlinstedt (talk • contribs) 19:07, 9 September 2008

Hi. I can't check the contents of the page as it was deleted on 28 August. From memory, it read like an advertisement for data vault modelling and your website, where you sell books and training on the subject, which is why it was deleted. For the future, you might find it helpful to read the conflict of interest guideline. Regards, Somno (talk) 02:13, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I've added another new page with content driven specifically by definition. I still don't understand why I can't reference my book, or my site while Dr Kimball and Bill Inmon have this opportunity for their pages. However, that's niether here nor there. The Data Vault Modeling concepts are in fact public domain, and have been since 2000. I've made the page definitional in nature without any discussions, links, or any other quotes from customers who are using the techniques. Please let me know if this is in accordance with the guidelines, email me directly. Thank-you for your kind consideration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlinstedt (talk • contribs) 14:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

? The page now complains that there are now links, no references, no direct correlation to published material. However I'm in a catch 22. I'm in the process of publishing material, but since I can't link to my forums, or the www.TDAN.com site (where I have published articles), it thinks there are no references. I can rewrite the intro for additional context as requested, but how do I deal with these new "problems" regarding content? These are new ideas that I've been introducing to the world since 2000. Can you assist me a little bit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlinstedt (talk • contribs) 19:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Dlinstedt. You need to find references in third-party publications to establish notability. For example, has data vault modelling been reviewed by an industry publication? Have magazine or newspaper articles covered the topic? These are reliable sources in the context of Wikipedia. Forums and blogs generally aren't reliable sources, so aren't much help when establishing notability, but other websites might be if they're independent from you. Satisfying the verifiability and notability policies by referencing these sources will mean the article won't be deleted, and the first and third tags can be removed from the top of the page, so I think that's your first step. Somno (talk) 01:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Template tag

No problem, I'm fiddling and adding to a rail sucession template, hopefully will be finished soon.MrHarper (talk) 06:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

No worries, good luck! I stay away from templates myself - too technical for me. :) Somno (talk) 06:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

thanks & short note on my talk page GlenDillon 07:35, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

Somno, this is way overdue and that article is one of our best. Thanks and please keep up the good work. Kind regards Moondyne 11:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I second that. An ambitious project on a complex and significant subject. Comprehensively treated. GlenDillon 16:46, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I hope the article gets to FA some day - another thing on the never-ending to-do list! Somno (talk) 04:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

just saw your most recent edits to the gas crisis article. slick! great skill you have for adding precision, refining, tightening and removing redundant words. I'm going to look over my recent work on WA and the related Petroleum article etc and try and refine the material before you get to it! (But don't let that stop you from applying the knife as you see fit) GlenDillon 10:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Haha, a skill I've learnt from applying the knife (or red pen) to my own work. I'll have a look at the petroleum article at some point; just remember I've little technical knowledge of this stuff! Somno (talk) 01:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your note--I just weighed in at the AFD page. Cheers, JNW (talk) 02:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks. I will reference the countries in the articles. I just noticed how the other ones were done, so that was what got me interested. --FMBlogger (talk) 03:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page. :) Somno (talk) 03:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Wizards of Waverly Place spells

I turned this into a speedy delete; it's already been deleted twice via the AfD process, and it's obvious this user will not comply with the decision. I have put the title on my watchlist and hopefully I won't see it pop up a fourth time. Nate • (chatter) 05:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, didn't notice that in the logs. Sounds good! Perhaps it should be salted? Somno (talk) 06:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it should, the article creator seems to love to create alot of Disneycom cruft, and he deletes all the warnings he gets on his talk page. Nate • (chatter) 06:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The downside of deleting warnings is he can never claim he hasn't read them! If there's one thing the encyclopedia needs, it's more trivial fancruft. Give up working on whatever articles you normally work on, and let's think of more Disney lists to add. Somno (talk) 06:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Madison Amps

Did you delete the Madison Amps page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AbbandonZK (talk • contribs) 02:53, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi AbbandonZK. I tagged the page for deletion because it read like an advertisement for the company and did not establish the company's notability, using this deletion criterion. Jimfbleak was the user who deleted the page, as I don't have access to do that. To have an article on Wikipedia, Madison Amps must meet the notability criteria - for example, there must be multiple independent sources discussing the company. Wikipedia is not an advertising medium. Hope that helps, Somno (talk) 03:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

My pages deleted.

Hi, you deleted my page I made about the 1990's Band "Sons of Angels". But I don't see why you should have. I mean, I only made the article because there was already an article about Crush 40 (the band who have an article on this site already, and when you type in Sons of Angels, it takes you to the Crush 40 page). Even though there are already 2 other bands in existence.

The reason why was because Sons of Angels (the Crush 40 guys) had to change their name to Crush 40 because there was already a Sons of Angels band. They were from 1990 to 2001 and they released 2 albums. The article was my own work and I referenced to all the sources available, but out of nowhere you delete the article, possibly without even trying to find information outside of Wiki to find out who they are, and you didn't even give me a proper chance to fix up the article while you were going to delete it!

And please tell whoever it is to stop messing around with the Dojin Music page, because I keep on adding in more REAL bands but some moron keeps on deleting them, making the list look very small! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamaluigibob (talk • contribs) 12:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Mamaluigibob. I do not have access to delete the article, I tagged it for deletion but someone else deleted it. I tagged the article because it did not assert notability - as in, you did not say how this band met the notability criteria. Not every band can qualify for a Wikipedia article; only bands and musicians that can meet this criteria. If the band does meet the criteria, then make sure you cover this if/when recreating the article. In regards to the Dōjin music page, please note your concerns on the talk page of the article. Make sure you avoid personal attacks (i.e. don't call other editors "morons") and assume good faith, as these are important principles when communicating with others on Wikipedia. It's a collaborative effort that requires working with others. Hope that helps, Somno (talk) 04:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Deleting new pages

Hi, I've noticed you trolling the new pages with me and wanted to point out that a lot of the pages you've prodded for deletion can probably actually be speedily deleted - that's my main tool to get the pages that obviously don't belong on Wikipedia off here just a little quicker. Of course, it always depends on the circumstance, but it's a helpful tool. Thanks for doing so much for Wikipedia. Anafar (talk) 03:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Anafar, what speedy category would you use for Jake Wexler? I mostly only use speedy for people, companies or musicians that don't assert notability, simple vandalism or attack pages. Speedy is definitely preferable for some of the stuff that gets added (like that article), but I feel sometimes I'm stuck with prod if it doesn't fit easily into a speedy category. Thanks for your help, Somno (talk) 03:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Nadav Shiffman

Hey, I did not create the Nadav Shiffman page. So why can't i remove the speedy deletion tag?CheeseKing112 (talk) 10:24 29 September 2008 (PCT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheeseking112 (talk • contribs) 05:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Because sockpuppets of the original author are also unable to remove speedy tags. Somno (talk) 05:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

But im not sockpuppets so why can I not delete the speedy tag? CheeseKing112 (talk)

10:28 29 September 2008 (PCT)

So it's just a coincidence that your first edit on Wikipedia is removing the speedy deletion tag on that article? Somno (talk) 05:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Sanjay Pandey

Hi Somno, are you sure the references you've included in Sanjay Pandey are for the same person? Bongomatic (talk) 05:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey Bongomatic, been running into you a few times today. :) I added that ref in a bit of a hurry - same name, mentions politics... So I'm not entirely sure, no. I plan to do some more research to verify this but have so far been distracted by work. Somno (talk) 05:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. A point and a request. 1) Even if the protest is notable, one person participating in it is not. 2) If you determine that the references you've cited are for someone else, can you please add back the {{Notability}} tag? Thanks. Bongomatic (talk) 06:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll be prodding it if the ref I've added is unrelated and I can't find anything else that is related. Somno (talk) 06:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

And now that's what I've done. That guy is quite good at self-promotion, has his stuff in blogs everywhere... Just nowhere that's independent or reliable. Somno (talk) 06:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

See WP:Why I am a deletionist. Bongomatic (talk) 07:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

YOUNG PEOPLES THEATRE

this is about an organisation!! --Dramafreak92 (talk) 07:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Dramafreak92, articles on organisations must meet notability criteria. Your article on a local children's theatre did not meet this criteria. Please let me know if you have any questions. Somno (talk) 07:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)