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Salam

Salam,

I need your help and support under Shah Ismael discussion. Hope you will see my message.

Sincerely,

Mirhasanov (talk) 21:23, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Rally in support of political prisoners concern

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1st Infantry Division (Azerbaijan, 1918) moved to draftspace

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Article in the draftspace

Hello there! I saw that you moved an article that was created by me to a draftspace, despite me adding the {{Under construction}} template. Well, it is ready now. You can check it out here. I hope that you can review it soon. Good luck! --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 21:05, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

It's fine now that it has sources. ... discospinster _talk 23:10, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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NPOV

Hi. such [1] edits are not appropriate even if you believe you're citing a partisan source. Please read WP:NPOV. GevHev4 (talk) 10:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

@GevHev4: please check the discussion in Talk:2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes. Cheers! --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 11:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

[2] Who added, where? GevHev4 (talk) 18:46, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear @GevHev4:, please check the casualties section, you can find it there. And I was the one to add that info. Cheers! --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 19:00, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

No, you're not right. The info you mention was added by me and then moved by you. You used this action to delete the other part of information (about the awarded living servicemen). Please read the text carefully, before taking actions. GevHev4 (talk) 19:11, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@GevHev4:, then please move the info to the causalities section. Also, I didn't removed that part knowingly. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 19:27, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:DONTGETIT is about editing not knowingly. GevHev4 (talk) 19:36, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@GevHev4:, you removed statements by Turkish political leaders and Mike Pompeo here, which is an unreasonable edit. Why is that? --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 19:49, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Good job

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Your tireless updates and edits on 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani skirmishes‎ are fascinating. Good job on your work. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 18:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani skirmishes

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3rr notice

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@GevHev4:, being a claimant, you have to get consensus before making any edits on the issue. Not me. Thus, you are the one to engage in an edit war. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 20:08, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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AA clashes

Hi. I'm afraid your new edits on 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes are dubious. So please discuss and achieve consensus before pushing august events to the article. Best, GevHev4 (talk) 11:06, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

GevHev4, see the talk page. Also, I'm not obliged to beg you permission for the edits I may or may not publish. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum

12:06, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Stepanakert pogrom for deletion

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Please revert these to unreliable indian referenced edits from the infobox

[3] [4] Resapp (talk) 07:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Arbitration Enforcement request

Hello. There is an Arbitration Enforcement request concerning you: [5]. GevHev4 (talk) 10:19, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Return (2018 film)

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Armenian claimed wounded # update

It is updated from 100 to 200 https://tass.com/world/1205791 can you update the infobox thnx. Resapp (talk) 13:55, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Unbalanced use of words at the casualties section.

In Armenia's claims drones are written as "shot down" and tanks as "destroyed" but for Azerbaijan claims it says drones are "lost" and tanks are "lost" can you make it same for both? I prefer shot down and destroyed for both thanks. Resapp (talk) 14:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Sure. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum

14:25, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijan claims to have captured Fuzuli (city)

Can you add this to the Azerbaijan statement regarding territory? I've made the code which includes the reference here:

Azerbaijan captured Fuzuli city, Mt. Murovdag and 7 villages (per Azerbaijan)^[1]^[2]

I also changed the mountain into its proper name with article, Murovdag. Resapp (talk) 16:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Resapp, only Turkish news agencies like A Haber and TRT World have published these information. No confirmation from the ministry of defence. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum

16:45, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hmm you are right we should wait for official announcement. But can you change the mountain name to Murovdag? Its important to know that its this strategic mountain. Resapp (talk) 16:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh and another request, can you remove the word "Purporting" from under 4 images released by Azerbaijan? It is a non allowed word per MOS:ACCUSED. A user added it and did not revert despite warning. Resapp (talk) 16:48, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

An Armenian Major General and two colonels killed today per Azerbaijan

Maybe add this somewhere in the article ? https://en.trend.az/scaucasus/armenia/3307046.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resapp (talk • contribs) 19:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Armenia claims Turkish troops are fighting together with Azerbaijan

Maybe add Turkey flag under Azerbaijan flag? Resapp (talk) 08:56, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Arab News and Reuters

Neither of the sources you keep using do not support the claim that there are Armenians from Syria fighting in the conflict. The only reference you use is some Azeri news agency. If they do, please use a quotation, but I just don't see it. Read it three times. --Governor Sheng (talk) 17:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Governor Sheng, I've commented on the issue here. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum

17:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Replied. --Governor Sheng (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Governor Sheng, here are some quotes:

Defense Ministry spokesman Anar Eyvazov said in a statement that some of the dead bodies found among the casualties of the Armenian army were determined to be mercenaries of Armenian origin who came from Syria.
— Anadolu Agency.

Azerbaijan's chief of press services, Col. Vagif Dargahli, said in a statement on Monday that the Armenian Army has enlisted Armenian mercenaries from Syria and other Middle Eastern countries. Basing his remarks on the intelligence information, the colonel stated that using mercenaries enables Armenia to hide the real number of losses. "Since they (the mercenaries) are not officially registered in Armenia, the enemy easily hides these losses," Dargahli expressed.
— Daily Sabah

"There are mercenaries of Armenian origin from Syria and different countries of the Middle East among the losses of the enemy," The Chief of the Press Service, Colonel Vagif Dargahli said, APA reports.
— APA.az

I hope this is enough. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 17:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it seems to me you keep missing the point. The claim itself is not a problem, however, misusing the sources that do not even mention such a claim is wrong. --Governor Sheng (talk) 17:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Governor Sheng, I will edit accordingly. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum

17:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Signature

Hi there. Per the policy about images in signatures, images are not allowed to be used. Can you please remove the Gadsden flag? --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 20:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Guerillero, sure thing. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 20:39, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Armenia did not announce casualties for yesterday or today!

Please add next to 85 killed that it is between 27-28 september like this (27-28 September) Resapp (talk) 10:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Resapp, I don't think that really matters. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 10:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Turkey claims 300 PKK fighters crossed into Armenia from Iran

Maybe add this under alleged combatants in the infobox? Ref:[6] Resapp (talk) 11:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Resapp, will do. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 11:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, it looks like the flag is wrong tho heres the right code:

PKK Resapp (talk) 11:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, you should add Iran and Russia under a bold title saying Supported by: Since they are not alleged to have troops on ground but are alleged to be providing equipment. Resapp (talk) 11:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Ukraine supports territorial integrity of Azerbaijan

Maybe add this to the article? :) [7] Resapp (talk) 12:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Resapp, not 100% sure if "supporting the territorial integrity" means supporting Azerbaijan for the clashes. Please, apply to the article's talk page. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 12:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

14 Azerbaijani civilian deaths

Although the image is really small, that's fine. But why did you revert my edit (sourced to the BBC) which updated the number of Armenian civilian dead [8]? I would ask that you cancel your revert. Thanks in advance! EkoGraf (talk) 13:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Saw your edit, thanks! EkoGraf (talk) 13:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

EkoGraf, cheers! --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 13:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Please reinstall the international reactions map

There is clear consensus for inclusion of the 3 countries, 5 users support vs 1 opposed at the talk page. Resapp (talk) 07:44, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Resapp, I have added this made two times, and it was then removed. Clearly, there is no unanimous support for the inclusion of this map. Please, refer to a different editor on this issue. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 08:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

The editors removing it are sockpuppets there are at least 7 Armenian socks right now. I suspect there are up to 12. Please ignore the socks. Resapp (talk) 08:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Political figures

Please add the two leaders statements in the "political figures" section. Armenians have added leaders' statements only critical of Azerbaijan to section and it is POV. These should balance it. Resapp (talk) 09:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan called Armenia the 'biggest threat to regional peace' and lamented the international community's "double standards" by not condemning Armenian aggression.^[3]
Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan said that he supported Azerbaijan right to self defense.^[4] Resapp (talk) 09:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Turkic Counsil statement calling Armenia to leave occupied territories.

A user has removed the statement which called for Armenia to leave the occupied territories. [9] Resapp (talk) 09:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

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Salam

Your recent edit is wrong. It says: "... from May 12, 1994, when the ceasefire signed until today, 398 Azerbaijani servicemen". Not this conflict. Beshogur (talk) 13:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Beshogur, yes, I saw it and immediately reverted. But still thanks for the heads up. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 13:02, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

4000 Ermeni askeri öldü, kaynak: Bild

Bunu "other sources" per Armenia bölümüne ekle. ^[5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by BakhtiyarRamazan (talk • contribs) 10:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Bild'in WP:RSP'de güvenilir kaynak olmadığı belirtiliyor. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 11:18, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Status update: Editing 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict

Be good. Johncdraper (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

October 2020

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Imamzadeh (Ganja), you may be blocked from editing. The claim by the Azeri government regarding damage to the mosque has not been confirmed, yet you readded the sentence on the page that presents it as a confirmed fact. You've participated in the discussion on the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict talk page regarding the mosque before - the pro-Azeri source has not been re-reported and the event has not been confirmed by third-party sources yet. If you find neutral and reliable sources that report that the mosque was hit - that is another matter. AntonSamuel (talk) 15:59, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Why remove the info as a whole? You can ce that text to imply that it is a claim by the local authorities; but you insist on removing such a vital information. And also, don't try to act liek an admin for Pete's sake, you're still a contributor with disputed edits that have been reverted before and spamming warnings to someone's talk page ain't going to help anyone. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 01:01, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I believe that I've followed the standard procedure for dealing with disruptive editing on Wikipedia, and I'm prepared to defend my reverts/edits - I believe they were quite justified. Even though there has been a debate on the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict talk page regarding the mosque that you've taken part in, and users have been asked to provide neutral and reliable sources to confirm that the mosque was indeed targeted, this has still not been provided. I've rewritten the passage now on the page instead of removing it completely to reflect that it's a government claim and removed it from the lede as such material is inappropriate there per WP:LEDE. If you can find sources that substantiate the claim, please provide them, otherwise I think the removal of the claim is appropriate per WP:NPOV. I would also ask you to maintain civility, if you have a problem with my edits and actions - go ahead and criticize them, show good faith and focus less on me as an editor please. AntonSamuel (talk) 06:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Contact

Hello! I was wondering if there any way I can contact you outside of Wikipedia? (e.g. discord (preferred), mail and etc.) — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 14:04, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden:, hi, I've emailed you my Facebook account. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 16:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

I would advise to have a skype conversation, please add me @CuriousGolden: @Solavirum:

October 2020

Hello Solivarium, could you care explaining why you errased and dont moved the edit made here. Im really getting tired of your POV editing and Bias. You have been warned before and blocked but this is really insultant. Your edits are simply IDONTLIKEIT.Mr.User200 (talk) 02:34, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Mr.User200, okay. First of all, WP:ASSUMEGOODFAITH and WP:CIVIL. Secondly, I've literally explained my edit here. As you saw in the "Civilian causalities section", we are not detailing info on civilian causalities. Seriously, putting "a mother and his son with a disability" in the forefront is to victimize a party. There are kids dying from the both sides, but foreshadowing Armenian civilian deaths are more important? We've discussed this before in the talk page. Also, if I was biased, and edited accordingly to the WP:IDONTLIKEIT, I wouldn't have added statements from the Armenian side too. Before accusing someone of being something, and using a mentoring tone on someone, get your stuff together and reconsider it before publishing. This is not the first time you're doing this, and it is getting ridiculous. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 08:36, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes but you reverted instead of moving to civilians losses. Its obvious you want to promote a point of view and you use some guidelines to play your game.I will only tell you that there are sanctions and try to keep your personal beliefs out of this and other articles.Mr.User200 (talk) 12:17, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

You also claimed that the sources provided are not official ones. But this is not true since both are Armenian official media and have been used to report other events regarding civilian casualties on the article content and have not been errased by you or other editor. So what are you talking about??. You simply errase what you dont want or like and use stock argumemts at your will.Mr.User200 (talk) 12:27, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

"Its obvious you want to promote a point of view and you use some guidelines to play your game". This line is enough for me to understand that you are not interested with leveled and well-formed discussion, and still continue to accuse other editors of being biased or POV-pushing, and violate guidelines. I'm still adding them though, if you haven't read them yet, WP:ASSUMEGOODFAITH, and WP:CIVIL. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 12:31, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

P.S. you've added that there where REPORTS from the media, that's not an official statement. You can check report.az and APA.az for reports by 'Azerbaijani official media', which I haven't been adding for the same exact reason. "You simply errase what you dont want or like and use stock argumemts at your will", you still won't end your stagy and accusative rhetoric. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 12:31, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Mr.User200, this will be my last response to you, as you won't end your uncivil remarks. If you have a problem, check the administrator's noticeboard, where I should have reported you in the first place. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 12:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Armenpress is the main state media of Armenia so all you speak about Official sources, is once again, not true.Mr.User200 (talk) 17:57, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Mr.User200, do not distort facts here. Check every single Armenpress reference I've added to the article, you can see that EVERY SINGLE REPORT cites a governmental body's official statement, whether it is the President of Artsakh, the Armenian MoD, or any other. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:09, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Same goes for APA, Report, and Trend from the Azerbaijani media. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:09, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Solavirum, I would kindly ask that you please undue your edit here [10] and join the discussion at the talk page here [11]. Your edit undid my compromise proposal, taking into account Staberinde's insistence that the figure should not be included as an additional Armenian claim, plus in a separate section, for which I myself had also already voiced reservations earlier in the discussion. A source has also been added for the "documented" figure as "per Armenia". Not seeing how its redundant if its a totally different figure from the one "claimed". As can be seen, after I made the compromise proposal, Staberinde made no more attempts at removing the info. EkoGraf (talk) 18:44, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@EkoGraf:, ah, here we go again. Staberinde did not join the discussion in the talk page so stuff that happened between you two was not concluded with a discussion. "Staberinde made no more attempts at removing the info" is just your own assumption. As for why I removed the "documented" part, I have never ever seen such style of infobox in my three years of active work on Wikipedia. Try to reach to a consensus, then work it out there. For now, I will remove the "documented" thing from the infobox, because it is redundant. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:51, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh shoot, just read the edited variant. Yeah, I will join the discussion. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:52, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Said everything I had to say at the article's talk page. I think I'm done now. EkoGraf (talk) 19:00, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict

Please check the Ceasefire section and ceasefire violations timeline for accuracy on this page. Johncdraper (talk) 14:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Defense pacts

I would like to know more about "see the attack on Nakhchivan which could also trigger Turkey's 100 year old agreement over the region's defense". Would you oblige? Johncdraper (talk) 14:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

@Johncdraper:, the status of Nakhchivan was determined by the Moscow Treaty of 16 March 1921. With this treaty, it was decided that Nakhchivan (under the protection of Azerbaijan) should be an autonomous region. In addition, the Soviet Union and Turkey, the countries have been the guarantors of Nakhchivan. Which means that Turkey has legitimate right to retaliate. In 1992, Azerbaijani leadership were divided between Azerbaijan proper (Abulfaz Elchibey) and Nakhchivan (Heydar Aliyev; who would later overthrow Elchibey). The Armenian forces attacked Nakhchivan, which caused a political crisis between Armenia and Turkey. At the end, with the meditation of US, a ceasefire treaty was signed between Nakhchivan and Armenia. So, yeah, that is what I was talking about. Here are some sources: 1, 2; and a news article by Yeni Şafak. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 14:48, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hadrut

What's the situation re the draft? Johncdraper (talk) 07:08, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Johncdraper, I'm thinking to merge Hadrut, Jabrayil, and Fuzuli into one. Because the Azerbaijani MoD generally refers to that front as the "Fuzuli-Hadrut-Jabrayil direction of the front", while the Armenian MoD refers to it as the "Southern front". --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 12:05, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Johncdraper, boom! It's done. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 19:22, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Please stop

I have been kind with you, from day one, but you keep answering me with antagonistic comments (lying). I wasn't aware that Tolish media was an Armenian owned site, I rely on google translate to render foreign words to search for, it does not cross my mind that hits I get on google in foreign languages that I don't comprehend have to be doublechecked from Facebook accounts from that languages, when most of the time, I have manually copy past the sequences to get them translated on Facebook. Besides, how can you claim proper burial, when there wasn't any proper ceasefire to recover bodies? And I wasn't only talking about families being left in the dark, but for the conscripts and the population who have no information on the cost of the war. Hemşinli çocuk 19:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Ermenermin, there are bodies within the territory controlled by Azerbaijan. Either killed by artillery, landmines, or the territory was captured after the soldier went KIA. It is very public at this point that the government isn't keeping the people in the dark, as the Tolish Media shows. There have been multiple discussion threads about the usage of so-called third-party sources like Tolish Media that were traced back to Yerevan. I don't know what you think, but it is not okay to bash these stuff like legitimate sources. People are dying tragically, mothers are weeping. I saw those things, I can't just let people making Wikipedia a victim of the cold-blooded informational warfare. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 19:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I think that you're taking this way too personally, besides I only read what interests me, if Tolish media was mentioned in those long discussions that I have not read, I then missed that. Hemşinli çocuk 19:29, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Maps

Hey- I have just added a 20th century map on the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict page. That map can be clipped to focus in on specific contested areas like another map I uploaded was here: [12]. Let me know if you need a better map or a map of a different area to "bring to life" the geography on the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict page. Geographyinitiative (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Geographyinitiative, thank you for your contributions! I will try to find better use of that map if possible. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 16:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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october 2020

Hello Solivarium, sorry for my edit on 2020 Nagorno Karabakh regarding the Human Rghts page, I compared pre - cur rversions and restored without reading your edit summary. Also on the Azerbaijani Coronel killed dont read your edit summary since the page was moved. My apologies.Mr.User200 (talk) 15:25, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Mr.User200, alrighty. Things happen sometimes. Anyways, so, about the colonel. Yes, he got KIA. But not during the operations along the Aras River. There is an offensive to Laçın from Qubadlı, along the southern Armenia–Azerbaijan border. He got killed in during those operations, not Aras. The article needs more splitting, and once Aras is done, I will head over to split the Qubadli–Lachin too. Cheers! --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 15:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Warnings issued to Civilians of Ganja on 4th of October

Hey @Solavirum:. As per John's suggestion, here is the edit that I am suggesting this:
On 4 October 2020, Arayik Harutyunyan's, the de facto Republic of Artsakh's president, issued a warning to the Azerbaijani army and civilians for the latter to leave Ganja, claiming that military facilities permanently located there have been targeting civilians in Stepanakert using Polonez and Smerch missiles (sources 1,2,3,4,5)
I would like to add this in the Background section, if not in the intro section of the Ganja article, and in the timeline of the Conflict article. You have said it has no place in the Background section here without explaining why.
The question of the warning is very important, as I'm sure you know there is a controversy about it in relation to the Khojaly massacres

Could we also agree to talk, discuss and engage with each other's arguments/sources as usual on Wikipedia before you go and revert any of my edits? I'm open to discussing anything. Also, if there is a discussion about a certain topic, please don't unilaterally make edits before agreement is reached. Thank you--Sataralynd (talk) 02:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Sataralynd actually I have explained it twice. I've removed it from the background and added to the first attack. Because his "warning" came right after New Bazaar was bombed in Ganja. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 10:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Solavirum:Understand. Why it cannot be included in the background? There were as per the article 4 attacks in total. Why is it just because it happened after the first attack in cannot be in the background section? Would you also care to address the rest of my comment?--Sataralynd (talk) 11:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Sataralynd because the background section covers the stuff happened before the attacks, not after it. Also, I don't think it is too major of a thing to include in the lead, as you see, the lead section is concise. Plus, we're already trying to reduce the timeline section of the main article (but it seems like nobody is doing the first move). --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 12:23, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

First and foremost, I have added the edits back in. Please don't remove before this discussion is concluded. I have also added a sentence in the lead, again given the importance of the topic. Anything to discuss, we first do it here before you unilaterally change the page.

Who says the background sentence should only include information that precedes the start of the attack? Any sources or policies? And even if we suppose so, as I said before, the warning preceded the 2nd, 3rd and 4th attacks, so your (non)argument doesn't apply. Please refrain from vague statements like "too major of a thing". As I told you before, there is a huge controversy about the topic of warnings in the case of Khojaly (read about it in the Wikipedia article of Khojaly massacres if you please), and it is key information. Thanks for reminding me to include it in the lead as well.

I reiterate, no change in the article on the warnings topic before we discuss here. I am happy to take this to a larger forum if you don't comply. Thank you--Sataralynd (talk) 16:28, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

It preceding the other attacks has no value here. It literally happened during the given period of attacks. That edit is basically "look, Armenia warned them". No, shooting someone with a gun and saying that "you should have run" isn't a warning. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 02:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

What you mean by "It preceding the other attacks has no value here. It literally happened during the given period of attacks." is beyond me. The warning needs to be mentioned if not in the Background Section, then in the lead. Suggest where, or I will take this to a larger forum--Sataralynd (talk) 23:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Salam

Hi Solavirum, we need to get organized to edit https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict as most of information there is bias and not including Azerbaijani side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirhasanov (talk • contribs) 18:28, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Mirhasanov, aleykum salam. I don't know what do you mean by "organized", but you can always ask for edits in the article's talk page here. But I'd like to remind you that providing reliable sources and factual arguments are necessary. Have a good day. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Solavirum Sure, therefore I need your help to get organized. I tried edit things several times in Wikipedia. Tried follow all rules but somehow admins act bias and protect only those who wrote in Wikipedia for a long time. I saw your discussion with CuriousGolden. Can we have a skype meeting?

Regarding your massive revert on the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict page

I split the article per WP:TOOBIG which states that articles which are over 100kb of readable prose (which this article is) virtually certainly need to be split. The content is duplicated in another article, and if you want to re-add a summary you should feel free to. Otherwise, please note that reverting a change completely simply because you are unaware of it being split, or simply because you put effort into content that no longer has a place in the article is not appropriate. Sincerely, TheEpicGhosty (talk) 22:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

TheEpicGhosty, I understand that. But the timeline section needed to get trimmed. Not fully removed. There, it contains vital information. If you would provide assistance, we can try to bring back the section with much shorter context and a better running prose. My sandbox is free for that. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 00:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

3RR

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Lul what? --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 05:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I wanted to start a thread about @Solavirum: so I'll add my comments here @EtienneDolet:

To avoid making this a very long thread, I would highlight the following episodes by the user Solavirum, which to me are a clear violation of WP:5P2 and WP:5P4

Reverting an edit here 7 days after it has been agreed by a consensus where he took part, but obviously didn't agree with. There was an earlier discussion here as well that he took part in and didn't agree with the change. Things change we understand, but Solavirum should have started a talk before reverting such a contentious topic as per WP:BRD instead of unilaterally reverting a change
Not engaging in discussion (see no answer after 26th of October) and reverting an edit on the 28th when discussion is still open. When I pointed out this, he added his answer which still didn't address any of my discussion points on 29th of Oct
Complete breach of WP:CIVILITY with comments such as "don't spam everywhere" or "images from kindergarten" (see this thread). Or "if footage ain't enough for ya, nothing is" in this thread. And, such heavy handed comments like "I'm not going to let anyone push a particular point of view on this article" here when I repeatedly asks for sources that claim a certain information doesn't belong to the Background, and he refuses to engage.

We are here to uphold the WP pillars, but I see a clear abuse of WP:ASSUMEGOODFAITH as soon as someone challanges Solavirum's behaviors--Sataralynd (talk) 18:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the nonarguments. I've answered after 26 October, because I didn't see your response, you could have blamed me if I had never ever responded. Also, I've seen worse stuff during my activity on this site. Those are not big deals. I've stated before, if someone is going to accuse of anything, they're going to get a decent answer. What's next is not a thing to say to another editor, especially you Sataralynd, you've been talking in accusative and mentoring tone with others. How are we supposed to just digest that? This is WP:BOOMERANG at best. Furthermore, I'm not going to let anyone push a particular point of view on this article, this was not targeted to someone specific. The user above said that I just leave this place, and that was my response. Do not quote someone out of context. I repeatedly asks for sources that claim a certain information, see the definition of background. I've stated this before, you don't get to shoot someone at the foot, then say that you should've left, and say that you warned the guy before hand. So, if your allegations have ended, let me do my stuff. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

P.S. I advise you to read WP:CIVILITY thoroughly before citing it. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:28, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Solavirum: even if you didn't see my answer, you made the revert without discussion despite there being an open one without consensus, becuase it suited your POV. See here as well you not engaging in a discussion and pushing your POV. Regarding your source from Cambridge, it doesn't even mention anything about time, which is your argument for reverting my edits (that the warning about Ganja Attacks should not be in the background section becuase it happened after the first attack - a chronological argument), and not sure why a Cambridge dictionary entry even applies in WP. As for your affinity to make claims without any sources, I could simply say that on the Talk Page you currently have 50+ comments, but provided only 9 sources. You need to do better than that for your claims and counterclaims to be taken seriously--Sataralynd (talk) 23:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

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Lmao what? Are you trolling my talk page now? Check the edit you linked, and point where I "added personal information." --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 13:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Solavirum: Please refrain from abbreviations such as "laughing your ass off" when you are warned about improper action. Please adhere to WP:Civility and - there are no trolls here, but editors. Nationality is part of identity and a protected characteristic. Revealing it explicitly (potentially allowing targeting the carriers of that protected characteristic) is a breach of WP rules: Regards, Armatura (talk) 14:54, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Armatura, you've literally stated in your user page is that your native language is Armenian. What are you talking about? Omg, your behavior is really getting out of hand. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 14:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Solavirum: Writing about myself on my page is my right. Announcing my identity to others is not your right. Armatura (talk) 15:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Lol. You are not here to give rights to users. Now, avoid spamming my talk page. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 15:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

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2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict#Non-military actions taken by Armenia and Azerbaijan

I noticed you have edited several times about the restrictions on journalists in Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. Please refrain from such editing. There are no restriction in both places till now. This also was discussed. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 16:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Գարիկ Ավագյան, we've literally got sources on that. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 16:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Solavirum, well, at first, the source you have provided and which was published on 8 October is Opinion piece. Secondly, neither Armenia nor Artsakh have any restrictions (until now). There was a discussion about this, where you did take part. So, please, do not edit this information for the third time. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 17:38, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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Capture of Shusha

Hi Solavirum, are there any reliable, neutral sources confirming that Shusha has been captured? I have been unable to find any. Announcements by the Azerbaijani government are not good enough, if the city really has been captured I'm sure there will quickly be coverage in independent news outlets. Jr8825 • Talk 09:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Jr8825, third-party sources geolocated Armenian forces outside Shusha yesterday. Here's one. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 09:32, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

This is original research and Twitter is not an RS. If this is correct, there will be reports in RS newspapers very soon, and we should wait for these. Jr8825 • Talk 09:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Another source

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1325841818269982720 VladBelousov (talk) 18:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Just a note...

I ran into your request for page protection (which I'll be declining, since it only involves one user) as well as your report at the edit warring noticeboard. Since the user self-reverted themselves, I believe that they got the message - I'll be leaving them a custom warning after I finish with my message to you here. :-)

I wanted to drop you an informal note and advise you to be careful with edit warring in the future. I know that you started this article and I understand how aggravating it can be when someone just steps in and makes less-than-ideal changes to it. However, nonetheless, you were also engaging in edit warring as well as VladBelousov, since you were reverting this user's edits repeatedly. Just be careful in the future; I don't want to see you falling into the same pit as another user for edit warring if you can avoid it. I've seen admins "drive-by shoot" edit war blocks before, and had an admin with this habit saw your AN3 report, you might've ended up blocked as well. It also would've much easier for them to justify it given the fact that you have two blocks on your record from this year and both for edit warring.

Just be careful, and keep my words in mind. :-) Anyways, that's all I wanted to say. I hope you have a great day, and I wish you happy editing. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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Akhiljaxxn, he's extremely notable, see this. Also, he was appointed the commander of the peacekeeping forces in Nagorno-Karabakh. Just wait for me to finish. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:02, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Armenian-occupied_territories_surrounding_Nagorno-Karabakh#After_2020_war

Can you expand this section? Would be good. Thanks. Beshogur (talk) 21:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Beshogur, sure, would take a look tomorrow. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 21:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

To explain to you my reasoning, when I learned Geography Azerbaijan was clearly Asian. Since apparently that has changed or is a gray area now, I understand where you are coming from. Someone needs to go update the European Maps on Wikipedia though, as they do not reflect Azerbaijan's transcontinental status. I don't know also how you ended up at WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH, there is also no mention of Azerbaijan being a transcontinental country in the Asian article, someone might want to go update that. Esw01407 (talk) 15:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Esw01407, this actually shows it. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 15:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

That's not constituting the whole county however. Barley a minor slice to even see I had to make it much larger. Esw01407 (talk) 15:35, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Esw01407, that's why its called transcontinental :D --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 15:36, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I'd still recommend efforts be put in to clarifying the maps and articles, this topic is unclear unless you end up at certain articles. Have a nice day. Esw01407 (talk) 15:39, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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November 2020

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Shusha, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. I've explained why I consider your removal of the Armenian name in the introduction for the Shusha article to be problematic on the Shusha talk page AntonSamuel (talk) 08:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Returning of occupied territories

Hi Solavirum, could you let me know when you're finished editing this section of 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war? I'm trying to do some copy-editing but keep running into edit conflicts as you're still working on it. I'd appreciate it if you could let me know once you're done. Cheers, Jr8825 • Talk 19:51, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Jr8825, I think everything's done for my part at least, until Lachin gets handed over on 1 December. Unless, something turns downhill like Sotk mine incident. Cheers! --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 20:54, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up :) Jr8825 • Talk 21:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijani place names for towns in Armenia

Hi, it would be good if you substantiate your addition of Azerbaijani place names for towns in Armenia, such as Goris, Sisian and Kapan with sources describing the previously prominent Azerbaijani communities/minorities/majorities in the relevant towns - then the inclusion of the names may be valid. It's also always good to discuss the addition of material on the article's talk pages if the matter is controversial - which it most likely will be, and certainly would be in the case of Baku and Yerevan for example, which have both had prominent Armenian and Azerbaijani populations in the past. However, I haven't seen any sources provided with historical demographics for the relevant towns so far.

I argued the case for including the Armenian name for Shusha [13] pointing to the large amount of sourced content substantiating the town's connection to the Armenian people.

I got the question on my talk page regarding the issue recently and I summarized my interpretation of Wikipedia guidelines:

Per MOS:LEADALT: "...Significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph. These may include alternative spellings, longer or shorter forms, historical names, and significant names in other languages. Per WP:OTHERNAMES/WP:NCPLACE: "The lead: The title can be followed in the first line by a list of alternative names in parentheses, Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or that is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted."

So - historical and significant alternative place names may be placed in the lede if either 10% of English language sources use the name or if it's used by a people that used to live in the locality - for example, the existence of a large diaspora community from the specific place. Historical context should also be taken into consideration - what significance/connection a city has for a people historically, culturally/religiously, while recognizing the various national narratives that exist and staying inclusive.

AntonSamuel (talk) 13:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

AntonSamuel, sure, I'll return with sources as soon as I can. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 14:11, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

AntonSamuel, hi. Sorry for the wait, I was busy with Shusha and my math class was a headache. There's no doubt^[6] that many Azerbaijanis had inhabited today's Syunik, Vayots Dzor and Gegharkunik provinces; until they were ethnically cleansed^[7] in the early 1900s, and deported throughout the Soviet era. Seems like the Tsarist era statistics lack clarifying some major towns, but this ethnic map of the 1880s should do the trick I think. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

References

^ "Azerbaijan kills over a dozen Armenian servicemen in Karabakh fighting". trtworld.com. TRT World. 27 September 2020. Retrieved 27 September 2020.
^ "Fuzuli kenti 27 yıl sonra özgür!". Super Haber. 28 September 2020. Retrieved 28 September 2020.
^ "Erdogan says Armenia 'biggest threat to regional peace'". Anadolu Agency. 28 October 2020. Retrieved 1 October 2020.
^ "Pakistan'dan Azerbaycan'a destek: Meşru müdafaa hakkınızı destekliyoruz". Yeni Safak. 27 September 2020. Retrieved 1 October 2020.
^ https://defence.az/en/news/146130/armenias-death-toll-from-military-operations-hit-4000-%C2%A0german-journalist%C2%A0
^ demoscope.ru
^ ceghakron.ru

Southern Azerbaijan (political concept)

Can we make such an article if possible? Similar to Western Azerbaijan (political concept), in order to split it from Azerbaijan (Iran). Beshogur (talk) 12:48, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Possibly. We've got this too. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 14:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Lachin

Please check the talk page for the Lachin article and discuss the alleged handover of the town before changing it again: [14] AntonSamuel (talk) 10:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

AntonSamuel, seems like the city would be administrated by Azerbaijan with Russia's supervision. Check the sources (and do some digging for yourself) I've given please. I'm going to join the talk later on. Bit busy atm. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 15:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

It's been discussed at some length now on the Lachin talk page, I've checked numerous sources and will continue to keep track now and again - from what I've seen this is the situation:

1) With regard to the ceasefire agreement the status of the settlements in the Lachin corridor remains unclear. Most Armenians do not want to live under Azerbaijani rule (partially or fully, which may be the eventual prospect) because of the enmity and mistrust that exist between the two peoples after the numerous massacres, wars and ethnic cleansing on both sides. So most have left to a large extent, but have they been ordered to leave per the treaty?

2) The Lachin district has been handed back today, but the Lachin corridor is to "remain under the control of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation" - so will Artsakh retain civil control openly as before, or unofficially through some type of "local self-administration" by Armenian residents of the town under Russian protection? Or will civil control be given to Azerbaijan under Russian military control or some form of joint Russian-Azeri military control? Joint military control would be unlikely because of the tense situation between Armenians and Azerbaijanis I would argue.

These questions have not been answered as far as I've seen, so for now we can only speculate. All in all, the situation remains unclear until there is a clear statement from all sides or a clear depiction of the situation from a neutral and reliable third-party source about the situation.

AntonSamuel (talk) 15:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

AntonSamuel, looking at Aliyev's speech, it seems that Laçın city itself won't be administrated by Azerbaijan for some 3 years, until a new corridor is built. Currently, there's an Azerbaijani flag waving over the city's main building. So, de jure Azerbaijan, but controlled by the Russian peacekeeping force? Maybe not. Another interpretation would be the city getting administrated by ethnic Armenians who are Azerbaijani citizens. Early to say I guess. Seems like more info would came later on. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 17:28, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Anti-Turksim template

I have opened a discussion at the talk page. Just get involved. Turkism doesn't exist as a page and is associated with Turkism Day which is celebrated in memory of racist ideologues. I don't think this is a good name for a template. The template needs a fix.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:24, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Paradise Chronicle, I don't really care much about your feud with the other user. Just respect the WP:CONSENSUS. Also, avoid remarks like Turkism doesn't exist and in memory of racist ideologues as they mean you've engaged in WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and WP:RGW respectively. If you need help with the guidelines, ask right away. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 21:29, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

There isn't any Wikipedia article/page called Turkism, to this I referred. And I have created the article Turkism Day now, so you and others know as well in which memory this is celebrated.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:37, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Paradise Chronicle Turkism and anti-Turkish are, terminologically, two different things. Another term for Turkism can mean Turkish nationalism, or Pan-Turkism. In any case, that isn't a case for deletion. There are many reliable sources supporting the current name. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 23:11, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Can you help me?

Hello, and greetings.

I've been working on an article about racism towards Turks and Azerbaijanis in Armenia on my sub-userpage User:Saotura/Anti-Turkism in Armenia (the name Anti-Turkism in Armenia is just experimental, it can be changed), and even though the article is pretty long so far with around 92 thousand bytes, i believe that i might be needing help. I would be happy if you could check the article to see if it's missing any information (especially the First Nagorno-Karabakh War section) and if possible, expand the article to include this information. Thanks, and warm regards. -Śαǿturα^💬 22:48, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I will try my best. Thank you for the article. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 09:53, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! -Śαǿturα^💬 14:51, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

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Dadivank

Hey, could you please explain the source you've cited here? It doesn't seem to be related to the Dadivank (aka Khutavank) monastery but is refering to an Albanian monastery apparently named "Khudavan", which i couldn't find on Google by the way. LevonAUS9 (talk) 17:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

LevonAUS9, the Azerbaijani government and historians claim that Dadivang is a Caucasian Albanian monastery. That might cause the confusion. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 17:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, i'm aware of that. Is the name "Khudavan" a new one among the media as well? Because a search for "Khudavan" on Google literally gets you this aznews.com piece you'e cited in the article. I'm sure you can do better with the sources, please avoide citing sources using non existent names next time. Have a good one. LevonAUS9 (talk) 17:32, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

LevonAUS9, its just a misspelling. You can find many sources about that development. Here's one without the misspelling. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:00, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

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Disruptive editing

There seem to be a pattern of disruptive editing by you in articles related to Armenia

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Addictedtohistory, and who are you to call them disruptive? See our discussion at Shusha talk page. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 10:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

No reason for biing WP:PA. I'm WP editor. It has nothing to do with Shushi. You've been adding azeri names to cities in Republic of Armenia, under pretext that at some point it had also azeri population. There are cities in Russia, with significant azeri population, so what? Addictedtohistory (talk) 12:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Again, see the discussion we had about Shusha. You'll get the idea. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 12:17, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

No personal attacks

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Why am I even trying to explain? --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 15:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Misusing the guidelines and falsely giving warning to others is also against the rules, let me remind you that. None of the comments by me referred to your personal life, or anything personal actually. In every comment, I've referred to your worrying edits. If you feel like your publicly published edits are somehow personal to you, that's your problem, not ours. If anything bugs you out, you can always ask for a third opinion. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 15:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Reverting at 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war

Hi Solavirum, rather than continue to revert the changes regarding the number of casualties please only engage in discussion on the talk page so that blocks aren't necessary. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:47, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I did that though --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 11:37, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I know, I'm saying keep doing it until there's a solution. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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[1] "Azerbaijan kills over a dozen Armenian servicemen in Karabakh fighting". trtworld.com. TRT World. 27 September 2020. Retrieved 27 September 2020.

[2] "Fuzuli kenti 27 yıl sonra özgür!". Super Haber. 28 September 2020. Retrieved 28 September 2020.

[3] "Erdogan says Armenia 'biggest threat to regional peace'". Anadolu Agency. 28 October 2020. Retrieved 1 October 2020.

[4] "Pakistan'dan Azerbaycan'a destek: Meşru müdafaa hakkınızı destekliyoruz". Yeni Safak. 27 September 2020. Retrieved 1 October 2020.

[5] ttps://defence.az/en/news/146130/armenias-death-toll-from-military-operations-hit-4000-%C2%A0german-journalist%C2%A0

[6] scope.ru

[7] ron.ru

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