User talk:Shane VV ZA

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Hello Jimfbleak. Can you make my Draft:All Things Motoring International article back into a saved draft? I will revise it and then resubmit with draft submission process. Please guide me on why my page is seen as not neutral and unambiguous marketing, what information do I need or what writing style is required? Thanks

~~~~ Shane VV ZA (talk) 14:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Your text was mostly unsourced and the only ref you did give was to a media company page where it's tagged "promosies", not an independent third-party source.
Without proper sources, it can't meet the notability criteria linked above

You must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, with verifiable facts, not opinions or reviews.

We have the title in SHOUT CAPITALS (again), complete with a spamlink to their website and text like Well known...one of South Africa’s most recognized faces... has what it takes to warm the hearts of the motoring public... as a unique way... easy to watch and highly accessible... literally covers All Things Motoring.. We need real facts, not your opinions, clearly wrong on the last item anyway

There shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections.

Especially spamlinks

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I didn't check.

Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article. You must reply to the COI query Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jimfbleak, thank you so much for your assistance in this endeavor, I have taken your feedback under advisement and would like to firstly state that I have no conflict of interest with this show, I am purely a fan of the show after watching it on DStv in South Africa for over a year now.

Before I continue to develop the article I would like to describe why I chose to create this page for this show that I really enjoy and understand to be extremely noteworthy in South Africa. What triggered me was an interview on the show with the world renowned television presenter Derek Watts - whose profile is on Wikipedia here - Derek Watts, who was famous for being on the show Carte Blanche (TV series) which is one of the most famous South African shows in it's History.

Derek Watts has recently passed away in South Africa and The All Things Motoring show did a tribute to him here where they showed their interview with the man at the 2023 Cape Town ePrix, seen here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty7SGRX_j7s&t). In that interview Michael, the host of the show had such a heartwarming interaction with Derek and further cemented me as a fan.

I have been following and watching All Things Motoring for over a year and I really wanted to contribute to Wikipedia's content, starting with their show because of its mass appeal and beautiful storytelling about South African Icons like Derek Watts as well as many others. I would really appreciate your help and guidance on finding the correct manner in which to structure the article to have it approved. I have searched for publications but perhaps I need better ones to further that end.

The presence of the All Things Motoring show on DStv (Channel 189), which is the largest satellite television broadcaster in the country seen on Wikipedia here - DStv, as well as their interviews with massive celebrities like Derek Watts, as well as several others, I believed would be more than enough to prove their notability, but I understand that I need to format the article in the correct manner.

I would like to thank you so much for your rigor in developing authentic articles and look forward to revising the article so fans of the show can see unbiased information about the show when they are searching for it online.

Kind Regards,

~~~~ Shane VV ZA (talk) 19:54, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored at User:Shane VV ZA/All Things Motoring International Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:14, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Jimfbleak. I will follow your initial recommendations so long, If you could provide me with feedback based on my last reply I would appreciate that tremendously.

Kind regards,

~~~~ Shane VV ZA (talk) 09:27, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You may have noticed that I made these changes Your reasons for writing about the show, or why you think it is notable are not really relevant. As a national programme, it's probably notable, but Wikipedia:Notability (television) requires coverage in independent third-party sources, which you did not provide. Two minor points, YouTube is not acceptable as a ref, and the article should be written with South African English spelling, not the American spelling you use in your messages Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:50, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jimfbleak, please see new changes published for the article User:Shane VV ZA/All Things Motoring International, I believe I have found appropriate sources to backup the article's notability, please let me know if I need to change anything further to suit the criteria for to to be published. Shane VV ZA (talk) 10:03, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I made a few minor tweaks and fixed the ref. I don't know SA media well enough to know whether your sources are good enough, but otherwise seems OK. I suggest that you move the draft to Draft:All Things Motoring International and add {{subst:submit}} to attract a reviewer Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:23, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much, will do that! Appreciate the assitance. Shane VV ZA (talk) 10:54, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have submitted it for review here - Draft:All Things Motoring International, please could you let me know if I have done this correctly, thanks! Shane VV ZA (talk) 14:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: All Things Motoring International (September 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Theroadislong (talk) 13:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Shane VV ZA! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Theroadislong (talk) 13:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:All Things Motoring International

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 03:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]