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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:35, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Strangeguy91

After being blocked for 1 or 2 weeks, Strangeguy91 returned to genre warring and all the other edits he has made before being blocked. Now he is even using an IP to make these same edits. It's like he's using many accounts to make these edits. There might be a chance that he even is Mikeis1996. It seems like every time we warn him, he persists.

Other possible IPs of Strangeguy91:

Statik N (talk) 17:45, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Spit (album), good article status

Hey, it's Statik. I wanted to let you know that back in December, I nominated Spit (album) for a good article review and haven't gotten any response. The article was copy-edited but never got reviewed for a good article status. I've had other articles get nominated for good article status (Results May Vary, Nu metal, My Own Worst Enemy (song)) and they all got reviewed (Results May Vary passed, the other 2 didn't). Spit (album) never got reviewed. It seems I was told by another Wikipedian that it took 6 months for one of the articles they edited to get reviewed. It's now been nine months since I nominated the Spit article for good article status. Do you know what I could do? Thanks. Statik N (talk) 20:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Statik N - With the video games Wikiproject, editors often set up deals with each other - offering to do a GA review for someone if they agree to do the same for them. You could try WP:ALBUMS and see if anyone would be willing to do the same, if you are hypothetically willing to do a review for someone else. Sergecross73 msg me 17:48, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Questionable sources used to cite for "nu metal" on Mudvayne page

You've got books by no-name authors, Tommy Udo listed as an author on "Brave Nu World" is a character from a 1940s movie: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGGE___US617US761&q=Tommy+Udo+heavy+metal&oq=Tommy+Udo+heavy+metal&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i160k1.1222.3806.0.4085.16.13.2.0.0.0.288.1113.5j2j2.9.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..5.7.791...0j33i21k1.RFRDA3532vY. The sources are BAD and you know it. Stop being ridiculous and remove nu-metal from the Mudvayne pages. --74.42.44.222 (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

You didn't mention the actual source, so I have no way of checking, but I take it you're unfamiliar with the concept of a pen name, I assume? Sergecross73 msg me 21:51, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Mudvayne is very clearly, by all evidence, a progressive metal band

If you actually looked at the evidence and listened to all the people trying to correct your insane, nonsensical rampage, you would understand that Mudvayne is a progressive metal band. It would do you better to correct the genre instead of accusing everyone who tries to correct your stupidity of being "one guy" like an utter moron. Mudvayne is progressive metal. Listen to your peers. --74.42.44.222 (talk) 21:31, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

It's hard to tell what exactly you're referring to with some of your vague accusations, as I haven't had to mediate any disputes about Mudvayne for a while now, but if all you're going to do is remove sourced genre and replace it with unsourced genre, you're going to be blocked from editing. You don't seem new to this, so this is your only warning. Sergecross73 msg me 21:52, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Serge I gave him a block and reverted some 15-20 genre changes, most of them involving the direct removal of sourced genres to replace with progressive metal. -- ferret (talk) 22:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Pretty sure this is the same guy who's been genre-warring and IP hopping over Mudvayne genre for the last 5+ years. Sergecross73 msg me 22:39, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism pt 18

Serge's 18th iteration of his own personal WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. Feel free to report anything you see may need intervention. Ferret may also answer queries, as we're both generally pretty active and on the same page when it comes to policy. Sergecross73 msg me 15:47, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Andy199999999990 (talk · contribs) --The1337gamer (talk) 17:53, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Blocked. I'll start WP:SALTing the stupid hoax game article he creates too, though he keeps changing the naming, in the ones I've come across... Sergecross73 msg me 17:59, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Two more: Andy9999990 (talk · contribs) and Andrew64869099997 (talk · contribs) --The1337gamer (talk) 16:38, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 Done -- ferret (talk) 16:53, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Here's a recent Andy account I found: Andy19999965499990 (talk · contribs) – Hounder4 01:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Another: Andy7543.0000 (talk · contribs) --The1337gamer (talk) 08:18, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Both blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 12:41, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Another: Andy7543.0000000090 (talk · contribs) --The1337gamer (talk) 06:20, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 Done by Serge. -- ferret (talk) 12:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
  • I was initially surprised by the duration, but looking at the block log, it looks like its been the same guy for at least a year, and nothing good seems to come from it, so that's fine. Sergecross73 msg me 12:25, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Yep, I did 3 cause it was consistent disruption and 1 month was the last block. -- ferret (talk) 12:29, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
  • ClassicOnAStick (talk · contribs) continues to go on articles and mass adding the break template to the game's title in the infobox, despite being reverted and warned for it many times over the last year or two. Is it possible to mass revert all of his recent edits, and provide a final warning? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:35, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
    @Dissident93: I've blocked him again (He just came off a 1 week block), since this was specifically pointed out in his last final warning. I will have to leave the clean up to you though. I do not have time today to read through them. I would appreciate if you post to his user talk page in reply to my block if you can further explain to him the issue (again). -- ferret (talk) 11:56, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Interesting. Well by checking the edits, it seems that not all of them include just the break tag, so it has to be done manually anyway to avoid reverting valid ones. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:55, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
  • @Dissident93: Gave a warning to the IP. Would not protect just for a single IP, would block them once sufficient warnings are given. It always helps us if warnings have already been given so we can take actions. Please also remember that unsourced information (i.e. not clearly vandalism) can be seen as 3RR violations. Just friendly reminder. -- ferret (talk) 21:08, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
  • That's what I meant. An overly strict reviewer could hit you for 3RR as well. 3RR's exemptions are fairly black and white and pretty much only exempt direct obvious vandalism. -- ferret (talk) 21:12, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
  • It looks like the PS4 release date has been announced though, per here and here. Adding it with a source would probably be the best solution here. Sergecross73 msg me 20:40, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Addition thoughts: RFPP is never going to protect because of two edits. RFPP (and generally applies to me and Serge as well) will only take action when there's a longer term pattern of disruption, from many different editors. We're talking 6-8+ edits at least over a reasonably short time, generally. I would also advice doing a quick google if you see edits like this coming from multiple editors. While unsourced, the flow of edits generally indicates that its been announced but new editors don't understand sourcing. I.e. its not really disruption, just incomplete. -- ferret (talk) 21:14, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
  • I moved it back, deleted at least one of the implausible names/redirects created by him, and requested that he stop with the page moves until he's got a better grip on editing. (He's got less than 50 edits to his name, so he's pretty new.) Let me know if there are further issues. Sergecross73 msg me 03:20, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
And the user is back to making page moves against consensus. They're clearly WP:NOTHERE. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 06:58, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Has already been blocked for a week. -- ferret (talk) 12:42, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I blocked for a week last night after jd's report at RfPP. Made no sense to protect user talk when one user was the problem. Virtually all Probe's edits are problematic, so I suspect it's going to end up being an indef block. Enigmamsg 15:57, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. I would have done the same, and will likely just indef if he keeps it up when he returns. Sergecross73 msg me 16:46, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Can you provide some examples? Most of what I've spotchecked, look more like "misguided" or "not necessary" rather than vandalism. Additionally, you haven been using edit summaries in your reversions, and your warnings, while not incorrect, are rather vague and generic. I'm not sure they quite get to the issue here. Sergecross73 msg me 18:31, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
  • True, I can now agree that this IP was rather misguided in their series of edits/edit warring, which includes changing "EU/IN" releases to either just "EU" or just "IN", changing genres, and removing release dates from the lead, which the first and last actions were more common in their edits to Super Mario 64 DS. Genre changing seemed more common on Mario Kart articles (Racing to Kart racing), though I don't know if there was ever a consensus related to this. If this IP does come back, I will consider raising concerns at the edit warring noticeboard. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:06, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

(←) Calculator for the two ranges indicates that soft rangeblocks might be reasonable: Sorted 17 IPv4 addresses:

172.58.98.134
172.58.99.47
172.58.99.101
172.58.99.113
172.58.99.166
172.58.99.168
172.58.100.83
172.58.100.115
172.58.100.145
172.58.100.187
172.58.100.212
172.58.100.216
172.58.102.208
172.58.102.221
172.58.103.26
172.58.103.34
172.58.103.79
Total
affected		 Affected
addresses		 Given
addresses		 Range Contribs
2048 2048 17 172.58.96.0/21 contribs
1536 512 6 172.58.98.0/23 contribs
1024 11 172.58.100.0/22 contribs
1025 1 1 172.58.98.134 contribs
256 5 172.58.99.0/24 contribs
256 6 172.58.100.0/24 contribs
512 5 172.58.102.0/23 contribs
481 1 1 172.58.98.134 contribs
128 3 172.58.99.0/25 contribs
16 2 172.58.99.160/28 contribs
64 2 172.58.100.64/26 contribs
128 4 172.58.100.128/25 contribs
16 2 172.58.102.208/28 contribs
128 3 172.58.103.0/25 contribs
185 1 1 172.58.98.134 contribs
1 1 172.58.99.47 contribs
32 2 172.58.99.96/27 contribs
1 1 172.58.99.166 contribs
1 1 172.58.99.168 contribs
1 1 172.58.100.83 contribs
1 1 172.58.100.115 contribs
64 2 172.58.100.128/26 contribs
16 2 172.58.100.208/28 contribs
1 1 172.58.102.208 contribs
1 1 172.58.102.221 contribs
64 2 172.58.103.0/26 contribs
1 1 172.58.103.79 contribs
17 1 1 172.58.98.134 contribs
1 1 172.58.99.47 contribs
1 1 172.58.99.101 contribs
1 1 172.58.99.113 contribs
1 1 172.58.99.166 contribs
1 1 172.58.99.168 contribs
1 1 172.58.100.83 contribs
1 1 172.58.100.115 contribs
1 1 172.58.100.145 contribs
1 1 172.58.100.187 contribs
1 1 172.58.100.212 contribs
1 1 172.58.100.216 contribs
1 1 172.58.102.208 contribs
1 1 172.58.102.221 contribs
1 1 172.58.103.26 contribs
1 1 172.58.103.34 contribs
1 1 172.58.103.79 contribs

Sorted 3 IPv4 addresses (after omitting some duplicates):

172.56.6.252
172.56.7.77
172.56.7.162
Total
affected		 Affected
addresses		 Given
addresses		 Range Contribs
512 512 3 172.56.6.0/23 contribs
257 1 1 172.56.6.252 contribs
256 2 172.56.7.0/24 contribs
3 1 1 172.56.6.252 contribs
1 1 172.56.7.77 contribs
1 1 172.56.7.162 contribs

--Izno (talk) 20:06, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm afraid I still haven't gotten around to learning range-blocks, so you may have to present that elsewhere if you want that done. Sorry. That being said, unless I'm looking at it wrong, it looks like the damage is primarily at the template itself, so it seems like the template's protection should stop the bulk if the issues at least. Sergecross73 msg me 02:30, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
A host of IP users undoing numerous edits on List of iOS games, which are listed here, here, here, here, here, here...it appears the list just keeps going and going from here on out and appears to be disruptive edits causing a massive edit war. Do you mind protecting the page against any further IP edits? Be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Zacharyalejandro (talk) 22:37, 17 September 2017 (UTC)Zacharyalejandro

Hi, I wanted to talk to you about the use of "Encyclopedia of Popular Music" on Mudvayne. I contacted the author of the book, Colin Larkin, asking for a retraction of the claim of Mudvayne being nu-metal. He responded that the book was authored by people other than him and that the research in the book was based on the Internet, which makes this source unusable for an encyclopedia as the book itself is unencyclopedic, despite the title. His email is documented here: http://mudvayneisaprogressivemetalband.blogspot.com/2017/09/mudvayne-is-not-and-has-never-been-nu.html

I do not intend on using Wikipedia and since I am writing you from a public computer station, I ask that you email me at isaacbaranoff@gmail.com if you wish to respond since I do not have an account here that you can respond to. All I have to say about the citations being used on the Mudvayne articles is that they are being used irresponsibly and incorrectly and the citations used to claim Mudvayne as a nu-metal band do not warrant any intellectual consideration, as the ultimate source of said information is, to be absolutely frank, Internet trolls. Mudvayne was always a progressive metal band and was never claimed as a nu-metal band by any credible authorities, and certainly not before 2014. -- Isaac Baranoff, noted progressive rock composer/recording artist since 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.115.13.114 (talk) 00:03, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Sources call them both genre. So we label them both. The end. The lengths you're going to portray a subjective things as objectively wrong is baffling. Sergecross73 msg me 00:18, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello

Good day. Please can you check out the new article i'm making.... If there are mistakes please send them to my talk page. Do not put it up to deletion please. A kind request from Arepticous (talk) 13:06, 11 September 2017 (UTC)Arepticous

Sure, I can look it over. I assume you haven't made it yet, as I don't see it in your recent list of edits? Sergecross73 msg me 13:12, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Please can you tell me what we are supposed to do when signing messages. I dont understand how to put Arepticous (talk) 13:07, 11 September 2017 (UTC) when signing. Please send me how. Arepticous Arepticous (talk) 13:07, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Arepticous - To sign your posts, all you have to do is type ~ four times. So, write your message, and write ~~~~ at the end, and it'll automatically show up when you save the edit. Sergecross73 msg me 13:14, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for replying on my message. I finished the article.But i have a few problems. Can you fix that. Arepticous (talk) 16:05, 11 September 2017 (UTC) Arepticous

Hi there. I don't meant to be harsh...but the article is in pretty rough shape. There really aren't any proper references, and there's a lot of typos and errors in it. I'd recommend moving it to the WP:DRAFT space - essentially turning it into a "rough draft", and improving it there. Not many people will see it in the draft space, but at least that way it won't be deleted. (I won't nominate it for deletion...but if someone else did, they'd probably be successful in getting it deleted.) Sergecross73 msg me 17:08, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Good day. But the user Sitush on his user page has used some inappropriate language. Please consider checking it. Thank you.Arepticous (talk) 17:23, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

You'll have to be more specific, as it's not jumping out at me. Sergecross73 msg me 17:26, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Nor would I think its particularly actionable. I didn't see anything either. -- ferret (talk) 17:54, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Good day. Can you please tell me how to join a wikipedian project? I'll keep trying. Thanks. Arepticous (talk) 01:46, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

It's pretty informal process - there's usually a list you can add yourself to, and a WP:USERBOX to put on your WP:USERPAGE, but otherwise, you just start editing related articles and being involved on the respective WikiProject's talk pages.
If you want to read more about WikiProjects, here's a bunch of frequently asked questions. Sergecross73 msg me 14:31, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Good day. But i don't understand what you mean. The typical typing means? Arepticous (talk) 02:09, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Are you referring to when I renamed your article because I said your version wasn't how the book was typically titled? Sergecross73 msg me 02:20, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

GOOD DAY, I need you to check on Pxbot II/Bad words. He made a list of bad words. Which i erased from his user page. Please check on him. He also didn't have permission to write anything yet. Thank you Arepticous (talk) 05:36, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

What you posted does not link to anything, so I am unable to check it. Sergecross73 msg me 14:54, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

how can we be a member of the counter vandalism unit? I would love to join it! how can we join the counter vandalism unit? Please reply. Arepticous (talk) 06:38, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

It's pretty similar to joining a WikiProject. You add yourself to the list, put a userbox on your talk page, and start removing vandalism. This page explains how to add yourself to the list. The rest is just covered at WP:CVU. Sergecross73 msg me 14:34, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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Harsh personal attack

Hi Sergecross. I tried to explain—with no condescension intended, but perhaps some frustration showed—why I redirected several of the user Sidewalkfins87's articles for failing WP:NALBUMS on their talk page. They responded with calling me a "fucking prick", then removing this and calling me an "entitled twat" in the next edit upon embellishing the message. I asked them not to personally attack editors and to remain calm, but it's quite honestly baffling to me how an editor thinks this is acceptable conduct. Do you think my warning is sufficient? Ss112 19:57, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

I've given them a final warning. It does seem like common sense would dictate that comments like that aren't allowed, but it doesn't seem they were ever directly notified it wasn't allowed, so I'll give them one last chance. Let me know if any other unconstructive comments are made. (Though his conduct is not very subtle, so I imagine I'll catch it.) Sergecross73 msg me 20:05, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Copying contents into a draft

Hi Sergecross: is this okay for a user to do? Daddy Issues (album) is an album by Brooke Candy that has been constantly hinted at as coming out since 2015. The article was redirected in August by Anonpediann; they had previously expressed to me that they were unsure it was ever going to be released. Then, on September 9, the user Love on the Brain copied the contents of the page into the draft space at Draft:Daddy Issues (album). Shouldn't the page have been moved into the draft space to maintain its history? The page has a significant page history, dating back to June 2016 when it was created by the user "Sweden Rocks hard". I'm just concerned that this user, if the album gets the official go-ahead, will develop the draft themselves then request that it be moved over the top of the article, erasing its history. Ss112 13:58, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I think it depends on how they handle it from here. If they do it as you fear they would, yes, that would be frowned upon. But sometimes, what people do is, copy/paste an article into draft space, make a bunch of edits themselves there, and then copy/paste it entirely back into the main space. I've seen a number of experienced editors do that without any opposition, so I've assumed that is okay. (Conceptually, it seems like it would be - let's say an editor copied it to the draft space, made 10 edits, and then copies it back to main space. Even if the 10 small edits in the draft were lost, technically all the actual changes would still be documented in the one edit where it's copied back into the article. This concept wouldn't hold up though, if 2 or more editors were editing the draft though, which is why I think people usually do this is sandboxes or userspace drafts.
So, short version, I dont think they've done anything wrong yet, but yes, there are a few ways where things could go wrong though. Sergecross73 msg me 15:01, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
A redirect is valid, as is draft work on the article. What is likely to happen is the draft would be histmerged over the redirect later. That maintains the history of both. -- ferret (talk) 15:40, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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