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Remove my ban

Hi, Please remove my ban of editing Indian subcontinent contents. I am feeling sorry and will not edit contents with Talk. Please remove. Loveforwiki (talk) 09:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I will not be unilaterally removing the topic ban any time in the immediate future. I suggest you edit other topics for at least six months to demonstrate you can do so constructively. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

But it's ban for indian subcontinent. Remove ban of these area Loveforwiki (talk) 13:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

If you know you're banned, why did you make this edit? An Indian actor in the Indian film and television industry is pretty clearly under a topic ban for India. Ravensfire (talk) 04:56, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

When does WP:GAMING for permissions go stale?

I've come across an editor who I believe gamed their extended-confirmed permission and since then has posted almost exclusively within the PIA space, with some attention paid to the war in Ukraine. Between Oct 6 and 7th, 2023, they made over 500 edits changing short descriptions. A majority of the edits were on Oct 6th; they stopped their edit chain a few minutes after getting EC on the 6th, then did a couple hundred more on the 7th. They had never made this kind of edit before, and they've only made a few edits of this type ever since, all on one P-I article this spring. But they do now have over 1,200 edits, and I'm wondering if this is still something that should be reported. I've searched ANI/AE and their name has appeared for other reasons (you've interacted with them), but gaming wasn't brought up at the time. I don't want to put their username on a report without some input first because there are implications from a gaming run for PIA on Oct 6th 2023, but those same implications leave me uncomfortable saying nothing.

I'm also wondering if you know whether gaming like this is (discreetly) monitored; I've been looking at Quarry and I think a query could go through the list of EC perming over the past year or two and find users who made many edits of a single type within the month prior to their perming, who then went on to be mostly active in specific contentious topics (maybe even show trends in volume), but I don't have the expertise to write this myself. Thanks for advice in advance! Safrolic (talk) 07:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that there's a stale time for permissions gaming, and it will also draw more attention to their ARBPIA edits. Gaming is a bit nebulous though, so unless it's solidly obvious I prefer to take them to AE or AN.

That query could certainly be helpful. I check the contributions of most editors in ARBPIA that I don't recognize, but I'm sure I've missed plenty. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll take this to AE then. Safrolic (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Safrolic, for interest, I've been thinking about this kind of thing too. Signal shapes for the first 600 revisions can be illuminating. But even for the same person (with many hundreds of sock accounts) there can be a lot of diversity in those first edits, even though the objective is the same, to tunnel through the EC barrier. Also, many tools are provided to help editors get started now, so it is pretty trivial for someone to make perfectly legitimate edits to reach EC within a few days. Here's an especially impressive example of efficiency.

As for extendedconfirmed grants, far fewer accounts acquire it in a given year compared to the total number of new accounts than I expected so that might help. See here. And the speed of acquisition does appear to tell you something about the likelihood that the account will be blocked later (or even before they get EC) for ban evasion or some other reason. Sean.hoyland (talk) 15:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

You could imagine looking for a change of slope in the cumulative bytes around the 500th revision mark as the user changes from gaming to normal editing, but so much of 'gaming' relies on intent, which you can't see with SQL. You can see whether a user suddenly starts making edits in the PIA topic area though. Sean.hoyland (talk) 15:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Those are some very pretty pictures (and illustrate the complexity of the question), thank you. My proposed query probably wouldn't catch anyone deliberately trying to conceal their game, I agree with that. I see that you're using Quarry to collect the initial data, but what tool are you using afterwards to compile the graphs? Safrolic (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I tend to only use Quarry if I need to share a query or the results with another editor. I have a toolforge account so I can do stuff from the comfort of VSCode on my laptop through an SSH tunnel to the databases. Those plots use the matplotlib Python library. But you can do this kind of thing without a toolforge account using the PAWS cloud service. There's also an Apache Superset sqllab service here which I think has charting functionality. Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the tips, I'll try to learn the rest of these words! Safrolic (talk) 17:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

ECR

Hello! I've had to 2RR a WP:FORUM comment on Talk:Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (17 October 2024 – present) by non-EC accounts including an IP sock. Do I have to self-revert or is it justified per ARBPIA? Borgenland (talk) 14:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

ECR enforcement is an exception to edit warring, and the 1RR sanction doesn't apply to talk pages so you're fine. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I hope that my latest edit summary there could further explain why. Borgenland (talk) 14:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

You can also leave {{welcome-arbpia}} on their talk page which explains the sanctions in plain language. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

new user ignoring WP:ARBECR after warning

Hey, not sure where is should bring this up, but i noticed you and a few others have warned Special:Contributions/Fyukfy5 about editing in the Arab–Israeli topic area and Fyukfy5 seems to be ignoring these warnings—blindlynx 19:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorted, thanks for the heads up. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)