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Section sizes

Section size for Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (17 October – 26 November 2024) (46 sections)
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(Top)	180	180
October 2024	19	159,186
17 October	11,683	11,683
18 October	8,604	8,604
19 October	12,946	12,946
20 October	6,825	6,825
21 October	9,105	9,105
22 October	11,373	11,373
23 October	14,440	14,440
24 October	13,826	13,826
25 October	10,576	10,576
26 October	12,201	12,201
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28 October	9,963	9,963
29 October	9,834	9,834
30 October	8,104	8,104
31 October	9,758	9,758
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2 November	11,078	11,078
3 November	8,019	8,019
4 November	7,310	7,310
5 November	5,735	5,735
6 November	5,782	5,782
7 November	6,041	6,041
8 November	9,674	9,674
9 November	7,648	7,648
10 November	11,320	11,320
11 November	6,458	6,458
12 November	7,712	7,712
13 November	9,472	9,472
14 November	13,267	13,267
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16 November	11,064	11,064
17 November	7,832	7,832
18 November	6,872	6,872
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20 November	8,229	8,229
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23 November	10,575	10,575
24 November	5,654	5,654
25 November	4,973	4,973
26 November	9,971	9,971
Notes	24	24
References	164	164
Total	376,802	376,802

Splitting Proposal

Having already reached 844,000 bytes in size making it the longest page on wikipedia, this article needs to be split. Anyone got any idea at which point to divide it though? I think it cannot just be an arbitrary timeframe. N1TH Music (talk) 17:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Hezbollah ceasefire is the most likely at this stage, though I also suspect cleanup has to performed due to tons of overquoting and liveblogging. Borgenland (talk) 17:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also think that Hezbollah ceasefire is the best option to split the article. I am only adding quotes for Al Jazeera liveblogs when I cannot find its exact url. Without quotes, it is hard for the readers to find source among its almost 100 or more than 100 updates daily. I know that its live blogs are not best source due to their pro-Palestinian bias just like international western media outlets and Israeli media outlets having pro-Israel bias, but it is one of the few international media outlets with journalists in Gaza. Pachu Kannan (talk) 04:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Due to the lack of an agreeable date I suggest cutting it off depending on the season, citing the Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine as an example. Borgenland (talk) 15:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what is the date we can split at? Pinging participants due to a urgent need to split it. @Alien333 @Borgenland @N1TH Music @Pachu Kannan.

For the splitting, can we first copy the entire article to the new page, then do another edit cutting of the duplicate part. This will allow User:AnomieBOT to find and fix the orphaned refs from the split parts of the page. Speaking of refs, is it just me or is the reflist missing with just a link to the template? Is this caused due to the excessive number of refs? ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that means we've just gone past WP:Post-expand include size. — Alien 3
3 3 14:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Any suggestions on the date? I would say maybe December 1, since that makes the page about 2/3rd its current size. If that is still too long, mid November is also an option. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm leaning December, when it got really cold. Borgenland (talk) 14:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably when cold-related humanitarian problems started. Borgenland (talk) 14:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reached the million bytes now, we probably need to do something. — Alien 3
3 3 19:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree with December. But 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement is another option. Pachu Kannan (talk) 15:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good option. This series has been based on events, rather than months, and the date is pretty close to 1 December anyways (it is 27 Nov). I'll hopefully do the split tomorrow. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since the page is now definitely broken due to WP:PEIS errors, I am going to go ahead and implement the rough consensus to split it at the ceasefire agreement. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 December 2024

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I do request this gets added for December 2:

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump in a Truth Social post calls for Hamas to release the hostages prior to the start of his second term.^[1] 217.180.201.163 (talk) 22:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say no. WP:INDISCRIMINATE applies here. Frankly it's somewhat irrelevant what Trump says on his social media network - this isn't an encyclopedically significant action within the war. Simonm223 (talk) 14:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with @Simonm223 per WP:NOTNEWS. Borgenland (talk) 15:02, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: this is neither an uncontroversial improvement nor one that is already supported by a consensus (see per WP:EDITXY for more information of what an uncontroversial improvement is). M.Bitton (talk) 12:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://apnews.com/article/trump-threat-hostages-israel-gaza-1aa9af22c070ab8ee0d8baf97bb05df8

Edit Request

This would be an enormous project but this entire page is filled with information that isn't part of the Israel-Hamas war such as the US military attacking the Houthis and reports if settler violence in the west bank. These are just a couple of examples but this page and the other timeline pages are full of the same type of information. Fyukfy5 (talk) 15:03, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citation cleaning (remove quotes)

This page is over a million bytes, the largest on Wikipedia. However, scrolling to the citations makes you notice that nearly every single one has excessively long and ultimately unnecessary quotations of the articles.

I propose these be removed. The size of the article would decrease to a much more reasonable size, without losing any real content. Obviously we should still keep the title, author, work, dates, etc, we just do not need the quote there. Chew (talk) 04:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chew I agree, and removing the quotes would also allow a huge amount of consolidation of references. Even after splitting it's still the third-largest article on Wikipedia. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mostly brought it up because the other, much smaller, timeline pages don't have quotes, or much meta at all. Don't think this information is necessary for timeline lists like this, especially if it gets this long and starts breaking templates.

If there's a bot or regex that can do it, it'd be great, as there's hundreds of citations now Chew^{(V • T • E)} 19:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The liveblogs should also be minimized as it provides excuses for such quotes to be included. Borgenland (talk) 19:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done I went ahead and boldly removed the quotes and standardized the liveblog reference names so that WP:REFILL could consolidate them (using User:Ahecht/Scripts/refconsolidate.js). It cut the size of the page almost in half, at least from a source perspective. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 02:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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