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This week's article for improvement (week 28, 2016)

An ear of rye
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Msg from Jane955

Hi Sam. I have a question. How can I become an "Extended confirmed user", so that I can edit topics on the ME? do I have 5000 edits, its not clear?--Jane955 (talk) 21:43, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Herbert Hagen

Hello Sam, I recently PRODDED the above as it is just one line with no information. However the creator of the page bobbed up and said there's a page on German Wiki, as indeed there is here. Seems he was in fact quite notorious and could well be worth a page on en.wiki. I don't know where to find the instructions when it comes to 'tagging' for expansion from the German Wiki. I can't find a page with the notice in place. Can you help (again!) please? BTW I got autopatrolled so thanks again for suggesting. Regards, Eagleash (talk) 13:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

  • The template you are thinking of is {{Expand German}}. Twinkle handles Expand language nicely: Tag, Specific content issues, Language. Fill in the iso code (de) and the article title. If there's a credible claim of significance, it doesn't really matter if an article is an unsourced 1-liner, WP:NPOSSIBLE is what counts. Do a source search on Herbert Hagen and you find plenty just in Gbooks. German Wikipedia has in general a high bar for biographies, so when a bio as this has existed on dewiki since 2008 as de:Herbert Hagen has, I'd be surprised if it wasn't notable under enwiki guidelines - even without my own search for sources. Add to that that de:Herbert Hagen is 19k, and that articles exist on five other Wikipedias, it's definitely not a subject that would qualify for uncontroversial deletion (PROD). Sam Sailor Talk! 14:01, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. If the creator of the article knew about the de.wiki article maybe he should have taken some action himself. On the face of it all we had was, 'he was a major in the German military'; not notable in itself. Other editors shouldn't have to search for information to establish notability, the article should give some indication of that as a basic really. But I agree, that with the amount apparently available, it deserves a page on en.wiki. Eagleash (talk) 14:30, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

  • When I start a stub/article, I always make sure that the subject is to the best of my belief notable, and I include refs to sources to prove it. I know you do the same. In the best of all possible worlds everybody would try to do something similar, but they don't always, and here is where a lot of editors on NPP patrolling go wrong and tag for deletion or tag with a maintenance template, typically one in the group of {{Citation and verifiability article maintenance templates}}, instead of finding and adding sources. I'm no saint and have certainly done my fair share of drive-by tagging, but I try to ask myself nowadays if I can fix a problem rather than smack a maintenance template on top of an article. I added a few cite books to Herbert Hagen. Sam Sailor Talk! 14:53, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

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Jillian Henry

I've nominated this article for deletion. You've done some work on the page so I figured you might want to know. I couldn't find sources with which to improve the article. David in DC (talk) 15:21, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, very kind, I will have a look and see if it can be better sourced. Sam Sailor Talk! 15:26, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

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This week's article for improvement (week 29, 2016)

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Refund

In "I can find no requests for refund.", presumably by "refund" you meant "undelete". Correctly, "refunding" means "giving (someone) his money back". See wikt:undelete and wikt:refund. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:13, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

  • That is correct, I agree. But when an abandoned draft is deleted under G13 the edit summary will read If you wish to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND/G13, a shortcut to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/G13. So, same thing, despite the difference in the meaning of the words. Reminds me of the fact that BLPs are unsourced but non BLPs are unrefferenced. Regards, Sam Sailor Talk! 10:26, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:WHKX

I am quite aware of the talk page rules, 10 years next month, I know the rules. Since the conversation is over and since it spiraled from something about the page to about Omni and I, my talk page was a better location. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:14 on July 26, 2016 (UTC)

  • Apparently neither MOS nor TPG is something you willingly follow. And an article talk page discussion certainly should not be moved to a user talk page, when it deals with repeated edit warring against guidelines in said article, and documents that the user did not engage in dialogue with the other editor, Omni Flames, when asked to. Also, {{Archive top}} and {{Archive bottom}} should not be used by involved editor as you did in Diff of Talk:WHKX. I'm sure you think you are doing the right things here, but you are not. Sam Sailor Talk! 07:08, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
    • @Neutralhomer: I too, am concerned about how you seem have neglected to follow a number of different policies and guidelines here. However, that's a seperate issue. Considering that the article is now compliant with the MOS, and you haven't changed it back yet, I think we can let this go. Omni Flames (talk) 12:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
      • Sam, apparently edit-warring is something you allow, but it's against the rules. Omni, apparently removing content is something you allow, but it's against WP:TALKPAGE. I think you both need to get off your high horses and read the rules...ALL OF THEM...instead of just quoting the parts that fit your arguments. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:14 on July 26, 2016 (UTC)
        • Following the multiple mistakes you have made on Talk:WHKX and your repeated disregard for guidelines despite Omni Flames patiently pointing you to the rules, it was indeed I who stopped you from further edit warring, so if you want to come and make accusations like Sam, apparently edit-warring is something you allow, you better present a couple of diffs in support of it. Which you can't. A good advise to you would be to just drop the stick and back off, after all you have been edit warring over things that have zero importance for readers of the article, and time here ought to be spend more constructively. Regards, Sam Sailor Talk! 20:48, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
          • Don't flatter yourself there, Sam. You didn't stop me from "further edit-warring". I was stopped from reverting Omni's continued edits by the 3RR rule, same as he was. You chose to ignore Omni's clear edit-warring (while discussing) and chose to focus on me. I don't need to provide diffs of that, it's pretty clear. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:25 on July 26, 2016 (UTC)

In effect I have stopped your edit warring, since you have not repeated your mistakes in the article since I edited here and posted on the talk page here. Omni Flames' edits were per the guidelines, yours were not. When two editors are trying to correct your mistakes, listen and learn. You do not better your position by following up with further trying to clear the article in blatant disregard of WP:TPG or, when that was reverted, trying to archive a discussion in which you were part. Sam Sailor Talk! 21:46, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Do you not understand the 3RR rule? It means no one (myself included) can revert an article 3 times in the same day UNLESS it is clear vandalism. The latter wasn't the case here, so the 3RR rule stopped me as it stopped Omni. Whatever you think you did wasn't even part of the equation. 3RR rule, plain and simple.
When two editors, who are making mistakes and acting/thinking that they know more than someone who has been here for 10 years, they (meaning you and Omni) need to "listen and learn". I wasn't trying to better any position by moving the discussion, which had veered from the actual page but onto me to my talk page. I also wasn't trying to better any position by archiving the article. Omni had made it quite clear he was done and it seemed a little silly to talk to myself. Molehill meet Mountain....and don't assume. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:09 on July 26, 2016 (UTC)
Actually, the 3RR rule means that no one can revert an article more than 3 times on the same day UNLESS it is clear vandalism.
When an editor who's been here for almost 10 years refused to follow policies and guidelines, that is perhaps even more of a worry than an editor who's been here for ten hours refusing to follow policies and guidelines. Many times, you've mentioned your longevity on the project, but that doesn't give you the authority to do whatever you want.
Also, putting the discussion on your user talk page, whether you meant it or not, is putting you in a better position. Once it's on your talk page, you can do anything. Archive it, remove my comments if you don't like them, or even delete it completely. The discussion was about the article, so it belongs on the article's talk page. Omni Flames (talk) 22:21, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I forgot the word "more", but you understand it. Sam apparently doesn't.
You are right, my "longevity on the project...doesn't give [me] the authority to do whatever [I] want", but it does give me the knowledge of what to do and what not to do. What rules can be overlooked (read WP:IAR) on certain occasions and what rules should always be followed. It also allows me to be BOLD on most occasions and remove nonsensical edits that bots (and newer users) make that should have been done away with years ago.
Again, you are assuming I was going to remove comments, delete it, etc. Remember, that discussion is saved in the WHKX talk page's history. So even if I did that, one could always look over there and see the full conversation. Plus, why would I do that? What would I gain from removing your comments? Nothing. So, again don't assume, remember the old adage. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:38 on July 26, 2016 (UTC)
IAR isn't a loophole that lets you do whatever you want. You can't just remove something because you think it's "nonsensical", and go against well established policy which has been around for longer than even yourself. I can take this to ANI if you like, and we can see what the community thinks. Omni Flames (talk) 22:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Wow, you are reading only what you want, aren't you? Sure, take this to ANI. You will open yourself up to the exact same criticism, but sure, if that's what you want. Feel free. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:53 on July 26, 2016 (UTC)
Oh, you want me to address your last paragraph? Sure. By removing my comments or deleting the thread, you stop all further discussion on the topic, disallowing any of us from trying to resolve the dispute. Omni Flames (talk) 23:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Do you remember this tl;dr mess where, at the end, you essentially walked away? Conversation was over. So, there wasn't any dispute to resolve. If anyone wanted to continue to discuss, the conversation was on my talk page in full form.
Now, if you'd like to discuss the WHKX article, I'm more than happy. But right now, we are rehashing rehashes, and it's growing tiresome, especially since I have to keep explaining things to the both of you. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:59 on July 27, 2016 (UTC)

Tsarist autocracy

Hi, could you explain to me (with links and templates and such) how to properly nominate a page for deletion? There are several deletion methods, I don't understand. 2001:1C02:1907:9500:38A7:F4A6:E30F:3B9F (talk) 08:48, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

  • We basically have three deletion processes:
  1. Speedy deletion: only used in selected cases where pages are obviously inappropriate.
  2. Proposed deletion: when an editor believes the deletion would be uncontroversial.
  3. Articles for deletion: Our venue for nominating an article for deletion, and other editors will then voice their opinion. Discussion lasts for a minimum of 7 days (168 hours).
The only theoretically possible way to suggest Tsarist autocracy be deleted would be to follow WP:AFDHOWTO. If you were logged in, you could do it all yourself. If you are not logged in, you have to request a regged user to do the last steps for you, a nomination by proxy where the filing editor normally abstains from having an opinion pro et contra deletion. If you asked me to do it, I would decline just based on a quick skim of the article. Seeing the long discussion at Talk:Tsarist autocracy#My two cents. Article deletion. I agree with Piotrus that the way forward is through editing, not deletion. Sam Sailor Talk! 09:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) You have been repeatedly told on the talk page that that is not going to happen, so please stop shopping for alternatives: there are none. Here are the links you require. WP:CSD cannot apply, a WP:PROD will simply be removed, and an WP:AfD will almost certainly fail, not least because your criticism will likely be seen as merely opinion. Cheers, Muffled Pocketed 09:19, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Sam for explaining. Unfortunately, where this is concerned, Wikipedia is a bit unclear to the uninitiated among us. Also, Fortuna, why are you so angry? Care to adopt a more moderate tone? As far as 'opinion' goes, it is actually quite the contrary and my entire point is that the Wikipedia article can be considered mere 'opinion', especially because it is based on extremely poor research. 83.85.143.215 (talk) 14:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
The reason some people are a bit annoyed is because we, the regulars, have repeatedly told you that this will not be deleted, and trying to get it so is a waste of time. We, the regulars, have seen dozens if not hundreds of such deletion discussions and we can tell how it is going to end. Instead, we would like to encourage you, pretty please and with a cherry on top and with a nod to the expertise you've shown on this topic, to try to create content, either on this or on another related topic. What Wikipedia needs is experts fixing and creating content, not expanding our deletion discussion backlog (in clear-cut-this-won't-happen-cases). Again, please don't take this as an attack, just advice from experienced Wikipedians on what would be the most helpful and constructive course of action. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:58, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
@IP: You are welcome, and I hope you will find, as have I, that this place is crowded with people who are happy to help in all sorts of situations. Did you consider Wikipedia:Why create an account?? Right now you are on a highly dynamic Ziggo connection; if you registered an account, other editors would know where to call you, so to speak.
It looks like some progress is being made on the article talk page, and it sounds as if you have a lot to offer in respect to the subject with the way you naturally refer to several authors in your initial post. Disclaimer: I know nothing about subject. It would undoubtedly help if you attributed what you say to published experts, hopefully that way eliminating the hints you have been getting about opinion and original research. L.A.J. Hughes, Russia in the Age of Peter the Great (New Haven & London 1998) pp. 92-97 works fine on a talk page, but generating a Wikipedia citation used inline in articles like
Lindsey Hughes (2000). Russia in the Age of Peter the Great. Yale University Press. pp. 92–97. ISBN 978-0-300-08266-1.
is easily done, if you need it. Let me know if I can help you in the weeks to come; there's a lot to get used to here, so don't despair! Best, Sam Sailor Talk! 20:07, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

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This week's article for improvement (week 31, 2016)

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@204.85.29.145: Can I get you started with regular editing? Did you consider creating an account? Big benefits. Sam Sailor Talk! 15:44, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, You reviewed my draft last week and declined it. I have made necessary changes to the draft and posted it again. When will it be reviewed again?

Can You Pls Review This "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koker (musician)"

Good Evening Sam Sailor! can you do me a review on this article "Koker" to see if it passes or meet WP:MUSBIO and WP:GNG.. Thank's.--Obari2Kay (talk) 18:09, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

And good evening to you, Obari2Kay. I'll have a look at it a little later. — Sam Sailor Talk! 18:23, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Ok..--Obari2Kay (talk) 18:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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Discuss your declination of my proposal for a category for "Known Antisemites"

Hi Sam, On Aug 7, I proposed a new category of "Known Antisemites" and provided 9 examples which I found in just a few minutes. I used very specific criteria for these 9: They must be affirmatively referred to as an anti semite in an approved wikipedia article. I didn't include anyone with a mere accusation against them, e.g. Walt Disney nor anyone accused of antisemitism on other websites without agreement from their wikipedia article.

The "Create New Category" Page asked only for 3 examples; I provided 9. Your rationale stated that you didn't think there would be enough examples for this category. I beg to differ. I didn't know that the entire article needed to be completed to create the category. Please let me know the minimum number required to create a category and I will amend the submission.

Thank you, Jeff Jeffp1105 (talk) 03:31, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jeff. Apart from the fixable capitalization and the lack of suggested parent category, I don't find it is a defining characteristic. But even if a consensus were established that it is, the proposed name sounds awkward to me, and I find no other categories named Category:Known <insert text> when it comes to biographies. Feel free to request again and see if another editor will create it for you. The relevant guideline is Wikipedia:Categorization of people. — Sam Sailor Talk! 11:10, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Redirects#Redirect_request:_San_Maroin

You took "San Maroin" as an appropriate redirect as a "local name" (which should be in Italian, which it already is) with no source, from an IP that spammed about 20 of them into the page, had a slew of warnings on the talk page, and looks like it hopped to another IP and did it again, after making 10 dummy edits to get autoconfirm. I'm pretty sure this is garbage, as are the other requests. Could you please review the requests made by the IP and G7 them as necessary as the author? MSJapan (talk) 03:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Comments:
hopped to another IP and did it again, after making 10 dummy edits to get autoconfirm: No, that's wrong, IPs never get the permissions that come with 'confirmed' or 'autoconfirmed'. Think about the consequences if an unregistered user could become 'autoconfirmed': it would reduce the effect of semi-protection, vandalism could be marked as minor, and pages in ns0 could be moved around. Please read WP:UAL.
had a slew of warnings on the talk page: When I contacted IP in Diff of User talk:65.129.128.18 they had no warnings, and none of the latter notices and warnings relate to WP:AFC/R.
a "local name" (which should be in Italian, which it already is): The remark is unclear, but we should not expect requesters to know the R templates, and the fact that target is a homograph to the national equivalent on itwiki has no influence on how the redirect is categorized, and is not relevant to its plausibility.
with no source: Not relevant either. Many redirect requests have no reference to a source, but even when they have, it is the reviewer's responsibility to verify it to avoid wholly theoretical suggestions. Redirect request: Theresa Brasier May , Theresa Mary Brasier May may serve as an example of of a unreferenced request that's highly theoretical; Redirect request: Формовка, Ушанка, Шапка-ушанка may serve as an example of a more time-consuming verification case. With my suggestions to AFCRHS having been implemented, a Google search is now just a click away.
Neither WP:Spam nor WP:Garbage applies in a case like this if that is inferred. The relevant docs are Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Common outcomes#Foreign languages and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Redirects from foreign languages that specifically mentions endonyms as appropriate foreign-language redirects. — Sam Sailor Talk! 12:13, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Laura Boushnak

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A little more advice please

Hello Sam,

A question. If a draft is rejected at review as lacking notability, is there any procedure equivalent to speedy (say) which could be invoked if it was subsequently moved to mainspace by the creator, without fixing any issues with the page. PROD may not be useful or appropriate here, as, yes it's our F1 IP guy again. He will just remove it (as he does with all advice, warnings, etc.). Thanks. Regards, Eagleash (talk) 19:03, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

There is not a specific speedy criteria for nominating an article in mainspace for deletion just because it was turned down at AFC. But as soon as an article is in mainspace, the Ax criteria of CSD may apply, and of course the rest of WP:DELPRO, PROD and AFD, can be used. Are we talking about Rahal-Hogan RH-001? It's really a pity, isn't it, because a lot of work has gone into that. I have removed the {{unreferenced}} tag, the LA Times article in external links is a reference. Could we find more sources to reference? Even if not, is there an alternative to deletion, such as merge or redirect? — Sam Sailor Talk! 08:56, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Yes that is the page in question. It may look like a look of work but given his track record it is quite possible that it is copy-vio. Parts of it have already been removed as being copied from other Wiki pages without proper attribution and chances are other bits are taken from elsewhere on the web. He's been told so many times about this but takes no notice, blanks advice and keeps going. I'm not active on, or a member, of the American Open Wheel racing project so I'm not certain about their criteria for notability. At F1 just listing out the car's results does not really establish it. I do not know if there's a Rahal racing page (or other suitable page) for re-direct or merger. I notice he's tried to CE it today but there's still a lot of grammatical errors. Eagleash (talk) 13:20, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Just out of 'interest' it's been taken to AfD here (not by me) if you wanted to follow the discussion. He's already attempted to close the disc as 'keep' once... your analogy re teenagers springs to mind! Eagleash (talk) 19:58, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, Eagleash. — Sam Sailor Talk! 02:06, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Possible error

Hello, I'm running my STiki program and came across this revert of another's edits [1]. I see that this was characterized as vandalism or a test edit. However, it appears to be merely a typo to me. I also noticed you left a message on the other editor's talk page with an "information" icon [2]. Since this was only typo I am thinking that this characterization of the edit and the message to the talk page was a mistake. But that is my opinion. If this is a mistake, I am wondering if you would be willing to let the other editor know this on their talk page, Thanks. Steve Quinn (talk) 06:47, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Steve Quinn. While their punctuational corrections in Diff of 2010s in music were good, the change of the possessive its to the contraction it's was not, and it was repeated in Diff of 2010s in music. I have left them a note overwriting the STiki delivered good-faith warning. Thank you for pointing this out to me. — Sam Sailor 09:19, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

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Frank Wolf Edit

Hi Sam Sailor,

I agree it wasn't constructive, I just think the section that is there now under the Social Issues heading it just as unconstructive, it should be replaced with a passage that is less politically charged. I don't know enough about the issue to write the section myself.

70.88.119.125 (talk) 15:40, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/New Editor 121

Hi, please don't close a case at SPI. Only a clerk or an administrator can file a closed case (or close it after it's open). In this instance, you really didn't need to file it "for the record" at all, which would have avoided the issue. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:03, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, Bbb23. — Sam Sailor 12:05, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

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Regarding Draft approval

HI, i have created draft of one famous notable actress.And it is under review. Could you please let me know,how long it will take to approve the article.It's been nearly a week i have created the article.Below is the draft link. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Manvitha_(Actress). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasadz (talk • contribs) 08:38, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Safaru credit

Hi Sam Sailor, I have had a look on the safaru credit article that was submitted (and refused). Seems to me the author is not familiar with the subject in itself. This article should have a title related to complementary currencies in Kenya, and this subject is notable. Will Ruddick, the founder of Bangla Pesa in a Nairobi slum was heavily mediatised as he was emprisonned following the establishment of this currncy, as this wet against very powerful financial interests in the area, although he did nothing illegal and asked for all relevant permission in cooperation with Greenpeace and the national bank of kenya.

So I think the problem is the title in itself, which does not correspond to the notablitiy of the subject.

I have added a few ref for the various currencies. I think the idea was to reunite all those currrencies (you will see media coverage there) in one article - and this does make sens to cover the geographical scope of the use of such currencies.

Are the ref I submitted enough to envisage resubmitting the article, and also what title could we suggest?

Thanks for your patience!

--Nattes à chat (talk) 12:46, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Round-robin move issue

See Special:Diff/735739812, and Special:WhatLinksHere/Caroline_Carver_(actor). Even if the redirect didn't make sense, it made sense to move "Draft:Move/Caroline Carver (actress)" to "Caroline Carver (actor)" to avoid breaking incoming links. Generally, it is encouraged to perform the complete sequence unless you know the link situation of the redirect (and its talk and subpages) well. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 23:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I'm about to sort out the incoming links to Caroline Carver (actor). Thanks for the heads-up. — Sam Sailor 23:10, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Category:Test container kittycatty has been nominated for discussion

Category:Test container kittycatty, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mduvekot (talk) 23:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, that could have waited, or I should have contacted you first. My apologies Mduvekot (talk) 23:56, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #223

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pageswap script for convenience

Hi Sam Sailor, I wanted to follow up briefly about round-robin page moves and plug my new script here (js) that semi-automates page swaps for convenience. Thought you'd be interested in trying it out. You'd simply click "Swap" and enter a page destination, the script performs the 3 moves as necessary (saves time having to manually go through the move form 3 times). (It doesn't correct redirects afterwards, that's still manual)

Anyway, just an FYI, feel free to adapt this script as you see fit, cheers :) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 02:56, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks, Andy M. Wang, I will install and test. Makes me think: why do we use PM/C for the criteria shortcuts? The PM suffix is for Wikipedia:Proposed mergers, and /X is conventionally used for sub-pages. Suffix for Wikipedia:Page mover is PMR, and we have the consistent shortcut to section WP:PMRC; PMRC#1 etc. seems logical. What do you think? — Sam Sailor 08:25, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, that's interesting. Godsy made the redirect to the criteria section. A shortcut even like WP:PMR#4 works as well, but I've been sticking with "WP:PM/C#x" which seems to be convention now. Don't feel strongly either way though... you could bring it up at the project talk? Don't know — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 14:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Jane Austen

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Do not remove page!!!!

Hello! I am the editor of Vladimir Okrepilov's page. At the moment he is reviewing information in order to improve it. It will take not more than 2-3 days. And then I shall fill all parts of the page will actual information, with all necessary links according to the rules of Wikipedia.

Please, give us time-out. Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by О. Евдокимова (talk • contribs) 05:01, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi О. Евдокимова. Don't worry too much if Vladimir Okrepilov gets deleted this time, I see that you have blanked it yourself. What you do need to remember is not to violate copyright and not to use Wikipedia for promotion. Please read Your first article and use the Article wizard when you are ready, that way experienced editors can help with the draft. Did you consider adding yourself to our Russia related project Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia? Let me know, if I can help you. — Sam Sailor 08:56, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Regarding changes on Sanghi Temple page

Hi,

Thanks for your concern regarding the edits made on the mentioned page. You mentioned that the changes made on the page were made from Copyrights material. I could not understand what made you think that. I wrote everything myself and almost everything added there were just facts, which couldn't be copyrighted.

Please let me know which line that I edited comes under the copyright violation. just go through the material and read it and then assess it. Just because a page has been added by copyrighted material by someone in the past, doesn't imply that the newer additions would also be copyrighted. I don't know how you finds these kinds of edits made of seemingly irrelevant pages ! Perhaps, you have created a bot which just crawls the wiki and reports the edit made on the page which has history of copyright issues and which has newer additions having some common words with that older material.

Nevertheless, I'm not much concerned with whether those changes are retained but it certainly seems that you have a long history of marking Wikipedia user's edits as invalid and reverting them especially if the users are new and in turn deleting the valuable material added on this knowledge repository by the caring readers and editors. Also, I'd suggest you to not attract my scrutiny.

Regards, --Longlastingpeace (talk) 20:04, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

If you are "not much concerned with whether those changes are retained" then why bring it up here? But having looked into the matter, it's actually an interesting little case of WP:REUSE-violation and quasi-WP:CIRCULAR.
The reverted edit in question is Diff of Sanghi Temple, erroneously marked as minor, where you added:

The temple complex is located on the top of Paramanand Giri hill. The entry to the temple is from Maha Dwaram gateway at the Paramanand Giri. There are three Gopurams seen at the foot of the hillock. On the top of the temple complex, one can see the shrine of Lord Hanuman.

The temple is constructed in South Indian style of temple architecture and houses many Hindu God idols. It is also one of the favorite tourist spot. The idol of Venkateshwara inside the sanctum sanctorum is 9-½ ft tall. There is also a Pavitra Vanam, or holy garden.

Timings

The temple opens at 5.00 a.m. For one hour, Suprabhatam is recited, followed by Archana to the deities from 6 a.m. to 8 a.m. General darshan for the devotees is allowed from 8.30 a.m. to 10.30 a.m. and again from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. Poojas and Sevas are held between 6 p.m. and 8 pm. The temple remains closed between 12 p.m. and 4 p.m. and after 8 p.m. Weekly Abhishekam is performed to the deities between 8 a.m. and 9 a.m.

As can be seen using Earwig's Copyvio Detector it matches text from www.apentertainmentnews.com/temples/sanghi-temple-in-hyderabad.php, bar small changes such as
  • the substitution of "The temple" for "Sanghi Temple",
  • the added wikilinks, in itself a good thing,
  • changing "one can see the shrine of Lord Anjaneya" to "one can see the shrine of Lord Hanuman" - they are synonymous,
  • changing "It is a favorite getaway point for the Hyderabadis as well as a popular tourist spot." to the incorrect "It is also one of the favorite tourist spot." - a plural -s is missing,
and retaining "Pavitra Vanam" which, judging from a Google search, is a term extremely rarely used, at least in this transliteration.
Add to that a little piece of of technical evidence: you switched to VisualEditor in your previous edit, and because you did that, the horizontal tabulation found on www.apentertainmentnews.com/temples/sanghi-temple-in-hyderabad.php on the otherwise blank line prior to

Sanghi Temple is constructed in South Indian style of temple architecture

was retained in your edit. I have included the tab in this reply, it can be "seen" in edit mode, and it can be "seen" as well in edit mode of your previous revision of Sanghi Temple.
Do you wish to uphold the claim that I wrote everything myself?
The section Timings was verbatim identical to the source, you did not even link to Suprabhatam, or to Archana (Hinduism), or to Puja (Hinduism), or link Sevas to Selfless service, or link Abhishekam to Abhisheka, despite all these terms can reasonably be assumed to be unknow to non-Hindus. And I don't believe any of these terms should be capitalized according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters. So claiming that you wrote everything yourself is hard to believe. But apart from being copy-pasted, the Timings section poses other problems:
  1. While "timings" as reflected in timings.co is commonly used in Indian English to convey the meaning "opening hours", cf. J. SETHI (1 November 2011). STANDARD ENGLISH AND INDIAN USAGE: VOCABULARY AND GRAMMAR. PHI Learning Pvt. Ltd. pp. 30–. ISBN 978-81-203-4274-3., that is not the case of timing in Standard English, please see wikt:timing.
  2. On Wikipedia we are trying to build an encyclopedia. Trivial information such as opening hours is not considered "valuable material", it falls under What Wikipedia is not, more specifically WP:NOTTRAVEL. I was just about to say that you could try and see if the opening hours would be OK over at Wikivoyage, e.g. in wikivoyage:Hyderabad, but don't! Do you still wish to uphold the claim that I wrote everything myself?
  3. If "yes", you have put yourself in what appears to be a catch-22 position. Another good reason for not including information such as opening hours on Wikipedia is that it often becomes outdated, especially in an article that is, to quote yourself, seemingly irrelevant. And if we are to believe www.sanghitemple.in, a webpage about the temple that on its front-page give these "timings":

Darshan Timings

Monday to Saturday 8 A.M. TO 1.00 P.M. 4 P.M. TO 8.00 P.M.

Sundays, Festivals & Holidays

8.00 A.M. TO 8.00 P.M.

then your information that you claim to have written all by yourself

General darshan for the devotees is allowed from 8.30 a.m. to 10.30 a.m. and again from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m.

can not exactly be true, can it? Or more bluntly: why do you introduce false information on Wikipedia?
If after all this you should still entertain the idea that you wrote everything yourself, I am going to ask you why you did not tell me right away that you wrote this almost 10 years ago?
Resurrecting www.apentertainmentnews.com/temples/sanghi-temple-in-hyderabad.php from the depth of the Internet Archive, we can see it has existed since at least 2011, and comparing it with previous revisions of Sanghi Temple shows us that www.apentertainmentnews.com/temples/sanghi-temple-in-hyderabad.php is mainly just a copy-paste of one or more previous revisions of the article, where the bulk part of the material was added on 5 October 2006 by 61.1.35.70 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) that geolocates to Pune, Maharashtra, and thus the webpage in turn violates WP:REUSE. (Looking at that IP's other edits, their addition to Sanghi Temple may well be copy-pasted from somewhere else, but I have no intention of digging deeper into this rabbit-hole.) So, are you claiming that you edited the article as 61.1.35.70? I suppose that's theoretically possible, although I have no idea how you are going to lift the burden of evidence. You created your account Longlastingpeace on 8 March 2014, and the promotional material in Sanghi Temple was removed by Vin09 on 9 November 2015. It took you more than 9 months to get back to the article you supposedly previously contributed to as an unregistered user?
All in all, it doesn't add up. My suggestion is to drop the bovine defecation, and try to become a decent editor. Here's an idea: The article deserves an expansion, and sources are available to do so. The temple looks nice, but I don't think we have any good photos of it on Commons. File:SANGHI TEMPLE-Dr. Murali Mohan Gurram (8).jpg and File:SANGHI TEMPLE-Dr. Murali Mohan Gurram (13).jpg may or may not be the temple, but they are both of poor quality and composition. Assuming you live in the neighbourhood, why not take some good photos and upload them to Commons? Then get back to me and we'll try to expand the article. How does that sound? — Sam Sailor 06:36, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
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