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Soumi

I noticed you added many Wikilinks to the Finnish Wikipedia, especially at Hero of Belarus. If there is anything you need, just let me know. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:20, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sápmi kit picture

What do you mean by license information? I created the picture myself. Deallus 12:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I uploaded it to Wikimedia Commons so other language versions can use it. --SM 13:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tytti Isohookana-Asunmaa

Why did you remove the joke at Tytti Isohookana-Asunmaa? It's not very often we see a politician named after two rappers. JIP | Talk 17:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think encyclopedia is the right place for that kind of jokes. --SM 20:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of map

Hi, why did you remove the map Image:Football world popularity.png from the football (soccer) page? What is untrue about it? The sources used for it are noted on the image page. – Elisson • T • C • 16:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Savonian people

Hey, you applied the article to be featured on the main page as "did you know..". The article is a stub right now, so it can't be featured as dyk. But please expand it, it should be easy since the Finnish article is quite comprehensive. For example, few of my articles that have been on main page include Aimo Lahti, Aero Flight 311. They don't have to be that long but they should have references. --Pudeo ⺮ 20:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Is it OK now? --SM 18:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Finland and the 1908 Olympics

Hi there. Just to let you know, the reason there are Russian flags next to the Finnish wrestlers at Wrestling at the 1908 Summer Olympics is that Finland was part of Russia at the time. See Grand Duchy of Finland. The Olympic organizers, under pressure from Russia, required the Finnish athletes to compete under the Russian flag even while fielding a separate team. Hope this helps. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 03:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Team Finland (M-1 Challenge)

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Lauri Dalla Valle

Do you have a source for Dalla Valle refusing to play for Finand under-21s? Giant Snowman 17:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I put now the Finnish language news article refenrence in the Dalla Valle page. --SM (talk) 18:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! Regards, Giant Snowman 18:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Finnish league isn't professional

Where's your proof that it is? Both Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues and Veikkausliiga say it isn't fully professional. Removing the PRODs without a valid reason isn't enough. Spiderone 07:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deljan Bregasi

Your removal of the PROD here shows a complete lack of understanding of WP:ATHLETE. Yes, Serie A is professional but he hasn't played in the Serie A, he is just a youth player and there is absolutely no guarantee that he will play in future. Also under 17 caps are worthless in fact even under 21 caps don't justify notability. If someone was capped at youth level for American Samoa, for example, they would still fail WP:ATH. Spiderone 07:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bregasi has a professional contract with Sampdoria, so he is a pro player in one of the top leagues of Europe. --SM (talk) 09:36, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is irrelevant, I'm afraid. Unless he has a claim to fame like Gael Kakuta, he fails notability. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mattia Destro Spiderone 09:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't matter if the player is professional

See WP:ATHLETE. The club or the league must be professional and in the case of Finland neither is professional so your keep votes are invalid unless you can prove either that Finland is professional or that they have played in the main stages of the Champions League or UEFA Cup/Europa League. Don't vote keep unless you know the rules of WP:ATHLETE. Spiderone 13:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Finland's league is still professional. I don't need to prove that in every article or comment. Playing in UCL or UEFA Cup has nothing to do with this, and yes, Finnish clubs have played in European competitions. You should stop giving false information. --SM (talk) 13:48, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Finland's league isn't professional until someone links us to a website that isn't Wikipedia that tells us that everyone is on a full-time contract. Spiderone 13:56, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Of course everyone is. You can't play without contract. --SM (talk) 13:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can be on a part-time contract or an amateur contract too which means that the league isn't professional. Spiderone 14:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again one more claim without any source. Of course it is not forbidden to play as an amateur but it does not make the league non-professional. Or are you telling that Spanish Primera division is a non-professional because Etxeberria is playing for free? --SM (talk) 14:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source you provided clearly said that people have to work and do degrees around their football careers because it isn't enough to make a living out of. Simply put, the league isn't fully professional. Spiderone 14:27, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It means more they have to plan their lifes future - playing in Finnish league does not make majority of players so rich that they don't have to do anything after the end of their playing career, which does not mean that the league is not professional! In 2001 questionary research within league players only 8 percent told they had had other jobs than football. [1] Now, almost 10 years later the league have advanced still.--SM (talk) 15:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Finland Fully pro league

Hi, I noticed you recently added a source that Finland is fully pro. As the page is in Finnish could you add some English text after the source to show the exact location i.e. as done for the Austria and Belarus entries above it. Thanks Eldumpo (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of The Monastic Protestant Community in Enonkoski

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Speedy deletion nomination of Mervi Tapola

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It was not an attack page, and it was not unsourced. Please don't use scripts or bots if you can't control them. --SM (talk) 13:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did not use a bot.. I read the article it was unsourced and contained defamatory remarks about an individual and it was deleted. Teapotgeorge^Talk 13:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think that is a nomination anymore if you already delete the page. In spite of all, I put the hangon template on the top of the page like you adwised. --SM (talk) 13:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your Split of Sápmi_(area)

You moved parts of the Sápmi_(area) article into Lapland (region). By doing that I believe you created a parallel article. Please ,see the discussion in Talk:Sápmi_(area)#Requested_move about why the current name was chosen. Also, I don't see a good reason for why the geography should be in a separate article. Regards, Labongo (talk) 07:57, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lapland is a geographic area and the English name for that area is Lapland. I don't see the reason for "Sapmi" area, I have never seen articles about that kind of "cultural areas" in en-Wikipedia. Much of the Sami people don't live in Lapland and they are only a small minority in Lapland. Couldn't that "Sami cultural region" information be included in the article of Sapmi people? --SM (talk) 09:54, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are already articles for Finnish Lapland, Swedish Lapland, etc (see Lapland for a list). Merging Sápmi_(area) and Sámi people is not practical as the latter is already too long. For a detailed discussion about these topics refer to the talk page discussion I linked above. Labongo (talk) 20:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Wikipedia has separate articles of each country of Europe, but there still is article Europe. Like I said I don't see it reasonable to have an article of that kind of "cultural region", but however if there is, it doesn't mean Wikipedia should not have article of a region Lapland. For example there is entry of Lapland in Encyclopaedia Britannica, and Sápmi is only a Sami language word meaning Lapland. --SM (talk) 23:01, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure if I understand you. If you think that Sapmi and Lapland are the same, then "Sapmi (area)" and "Lapland (region)" are parallel articles (and should hence be avoided in Wikipedia). With regards to the name, there has already been a discussion about what the name of the article should be (as linked above). In summary the problem with the Lapland term is that it is confusing and not widely used in Norway and Russia. For example the counties Nordland and Nord-Troendelag in Norway has never been consider as part of Lapland. If you think articles about cultural regions should be deleted there are places where you can propose these for deletion. In conclusion, I will revert the removal of the geography information in Sápmi (area) and encourage you to delete the parallel Lapland (region) article. Labongo (talk) 23:51, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, please do not put words in my mouth. They are not parallel articles as long as the other is of "cultural region" and the article Lapland is a normal encyclopaedia entry of a region. In my opinion the best solution is to merge parts of the "Sapmi (area)" to Lapland and Sami people. Sami people and "Sapmi (area)" are highly parallell. --SM (talk) 11:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are suggesting major changes to the article and should therefore start a thread on the articles talkpage. Note that "Sami People" is the parent article to the Sapmi article and hence it should contain a summary of the content in the Sapmi article. I still fail to understand the difference between an area and a region in this context. Labongo (talk) 22:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lapland is an area in Northern Europe like and the Sami people are only a small minority there, so it deserves an article from the neutral point of view, not only as an "daughter article" of the Sami people article. I am not suggesting any chances to the article "Sápmi_(area)", because I still seem to fail to understand what its purpose is. --SM (talk) 04:19, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of the Sapmi article is to describe "the cultural region traditionally inhabited by the Sámi people". I still don't understand the difference between Sapmi (area) and Lapland (region). Perhaps you can list which parts of the Lapland region are, or are not, part of Sapmi as defined by the article? The Sapmi article describes Lapland as "inner parts of Sápmi". Do you think this is correct? Labongo (talk) 06:21, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The more reasonable way is to put it this way: why Wikipedia needs an separate article of "the cultural region traditionally inhabited by the Sámi people" if it is almost just the same as Lapland? Like I said before the issues especially related to the Sami population are already or could be included to the article Sami people. Now the article Sapmi (area) seems to be just article of Lapland with a Sami point of view and on a name that is uncommon (and so against the Wikipedia:Naming conventions). --SM (talk) 13:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And yes I saw the discussion Talk:Sápmi_(area)#Requested_move and i see the current name was chosen because you moved the article to that name. I don't think you are serious if you say Wikipedia should not have a neutral-point-of-view article of Lapland. --SM (talk) 12:03, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't remember if I did the move, but we were a couple of editors that discussed this and ended up in an consensus that the Sapmi name was better than Lapland. Labongo (talk) 22:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I read the article Sampi (area) and i saw multiple issues there. I tagged the page with "article issues" template.--SM (talk) 04:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you need to be more specific and describe the issues you have in the talkpage. Labongo (talk) 06:21, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now I have described more specifically the issues. I suggest that we continue this conversation in that talkpage. --SM (talk) 14:28, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I also added a link to this thread there. Labongo (talk) 06:43, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Finnish league fully professional

Hi, I would like to add the Veikkausliiga to the pro list at WP:FPL based on the reasonableness consensus displayed at [2]. Can you indicate the best source(s) for me to use showing the league is (mostly) professional. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 22:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The best source is the annual wage enquiry of the Players' Association: PPT-file --SM (talk) 09:23, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I have moved Finland to the Pro section with the source you provided - let's see what happens. Eldumpo (talk) 11:53, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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