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Elliott Broidy

Dear , Robert.Allen My revisions and edits to Mr. Elliott Broidy Wikipedia page are based on accurate, current, and reliable sources from highly trusted American and international media such as The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, BBC, CNBC, Al Jazeera, Los Angeles Times, Bloomberg, Politico, New York Magazine, New York Daily News, Esquire, Buzzfeed, The Huffington Post, The Times of Israel, OCCRP, and many others. Additionally, there are public records available in open source that support the revisions I have made. Material about Elliot Broidy has been written with the greatest care and attention to verifiability, neutrality, and avoidance of original research. At the same time, respectfully, your edits are aimed at hiding important information about the life and professional benchmarks of Elliott Broidy; your revisions are outdated, incorrect and misleading as to information about the areas of his business and life. No source confirms that he is or was a philanthropist and venture capitalist. Therefore, attributing to him this fake activity is pure PR, and an attempt to hide the truth. Annmorgan24 (talk) 01:43, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

I haven't done much editing on this article other than to restore text that got garbled by the reversion of your ealiest edits that were identified as copyright violations and were removed. I think you may be referring to work done by other editors. I have not attempted to evaluate the claims of violations of the criteria for BLP articles, and I believe those editors reverting your additions should specifically discuss all alleged violations on the talk page with you and other editors before they revert them. --Robert.Allen (talk) 01:56, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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Dear Robert.Allen appreciate for your help in the creation Robin Broidy wiki page, have you any ideas and thoughts or recommendation for future? Annmorgan24 (talk) 20:14, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

|archive-url= requires |archive-date= (help)

@Robert.Allen: sorry to bother you, but since you seem to know a lot on references and external links, could you take a look at this page (references section) and advise what to do? Thank you for your help and time. Lotje (talk) 08:49, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Lotje: Add the line " |archive-date=2013-01-30" just below the line for " |archive-url =". For an example, see here. The archive date is encoded in the first eight digits after "/web/" in the archive url. All you need to do is add the hyphens. If you would like more information about finding archived pages (typically we try to do that for dead links), I can also help with that. Best, --Robert.Allen (talk) 09:12, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
@Robert.Allen: Thank you ever so much for your kind help. Lotje (talk) 09:18, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
@Robert.Allen: only me again. Can you give me advice on these references? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 07:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
@Robert.Allen: is i.y.o. the references section okay in this article? Thnks. Lotje (talk) 13:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

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An apology

I just wanted to express my regret that Frederica von Stade - Mahler Songs has been nominated for deletion, which, I'm afraid, is very much my fault. I came across your article while editing Frederica von Stade, and I liked it so much that I thought it would be fun and useful to try to create more in the same vein. Unfortunately the new articles that I initiated came to the notice of a user who thought that, irrespective of how good or bad they were, they should never have been written in the first place, because in her view von Stade's albums simply aren't notable enough to merit their own individual articles. She put almost all of my articles into AfD, and your article became, in effect, collateral damage in her campaign. I've added a comment to the AfD discussion about your article in support of your work, and, with apologies for the impertinence, I've shortened your reviews to try to neutralize allegations of COPYVIO in the hope that this surgery may improve your article's chances of survival. Once again, I'm very sorry that you've become embroiled in a conflict that only came about because of me.Niggle1892 (talk) 11:45, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

No worries. No apology necessary. This is just the way of the Wikipedia. --Robert.Allen (talk) 22:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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Pieter Pourbus

Good evening, I have seen your message indeed, and your "editing" of the article on Pieter Pourbus.
I feel sad that you reverted, without contacting me first, to what was, and now is again, a very short and indeed very poor article on this painter, the major painter of the city of Bruges in the 16th century.
If the catalogue of the exhibition of 2018 in Gouda has indeed been used for this article, it was done on purpose, and with multiple citations of this catalogue, as you could easily see on the multiple and precise references (adding even the pages concerned!) which I added.
Otherwise you would not have even been in a position to claim that this is a copyright violation.....
I do not feel therefore that there is any violation of copyright.
Having said that, I know the authors of the catalogue very well, and I will seek formal authorization from them to use the catalogue for this article.
So that there is no ambiguity first, and second so that this article can be then reverted to the last version of this important article on this painter..
As you seem to be knowledgable about copyright issues fo Wikipedia, I will appreciate that :
1/ you indicate to me to whom at Wikipedia the copyright authorisation should be sent,
2/ you send me the form which should be signed by the copyright holders of the catalogue, so that I can have it signed and stamped by the copyright holders, and then returned to the copyright authority for Wikipedia.
Regards,
--Emigré55 (talk) 23:25, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Please, simply and kindly stay away from me. Consider that there are 6,071,670 other articles on the English Wikipedia to improve and discuss. Regards, --Emigré55 (talk) 10:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Good evening again,
Once again, I have seen your very short and dry message, following mine above, on my talk page.
Once again, I think it would have been much wiser, and would have served the purpose of wikipedia better, to contact me personally before, rather that deleting a long and precise article with all references and sources, claiming a copyright issue which is very doubtful.
Unless you were following other purposes? is this an editing war? or a personal conflict?
Thank you for letting me know. Regards,
--Emigré55 (talk) 23:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)


Good morning,
I reverted today your cancellation of this article, as the copyright holder ( The director of the Gouda Museum who published the catalogue I used for this article) just sent to the Wikipedia Foundation an email, allowing the use of the publication which is widely cited in this article, as you noticed.
Here is the copy of the email (I am cc'd in this email, and he sent it to your attention):

Geachte heer Allen,
Hierbij bevestig ik dat ik, Marc de Beyer, directeur Museum Gouda, de maker en / of enige eigenaar ben van het exclusieve copyright van de publicatie Pourbus, meester-schilder uit Gouda (Pourbus, Master painter of Gouda)
zoals hier gebruikt: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Emigr%C3%A955?markasread=186487124&markasreadwiki=enwiki#Copyright_violation_at_Pieter_Pourbus, en ik heb de wettelijke bevoegdheid om het copyright van dat werk vrij te geven.
Ik ga ermee akkoord om de bovengenoemde inhoud te publiceren onder de gratis licentie: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported en GNU Free Documentation License (niet-versie, zonder invariante secties, front-coverteksten of back-coverteksten).
Ik erken dat ik hiermee iedereen het recht verleen om het werk al dan niet in een commercieel product te gebruiken en het aan te passen aan hun behoeften, op voorwaarde dat ze zich houden aan de voorwaarden van de licentie en andere toepasselijke wetten.
Ik ben me ervan bewust dat deze overeenkomst niet beperkt is tot Wikipedia of gerelateerde sites.
Ik ben me ervan bewust dat ik altijd het copyright van mijn werk behoud en het recht behoudt om te worden toegewezen in overeenstemming met de gekozen licentie. Wijzigingen die anderen in het werk aanbrengen, zullen niet door mij worden geclaimd.
Ik erken dat ik deze overeenkomst niet kan intrekken en dat de inhoud al dan niet permanent op een Wikimedia-project wordt bewaard.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Marc de Beyer
Directeur
0182 331000
Museum Gouda
Achter de Kerk 14
2801 JX Gouda
T 0182 331 00

I am very glad of this outcome, and I sincerely hope you will be too.
This article is important for this painter, for the city of Bruges, which is kwown worldwide.
And this catalogue is the most recent, and above all, the most complete and exhaustive source on this painter, who was the most prominent painter in Bruges during the 16th century. It means that now all Wikipedia users and contributors can use this catalogue, (as well as the picture of the Annunciation, for which the Director also sent a separate agreement of copyright).
Of course, I will continue to work on this article and clear any ambiguity as well as rewrite the sections which might be too close to the articles cited.
Just allow me some time to do it.
Thanks, and regards,
--Emigré55 (talk) 11:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


Good morning,
Once again, after you requested from him further evidence (I regret that you have not cc'd me in your email), the copyright holder sent you an email today (in which I am cc'd), confirming his authorization, in the following terms:

"Dear Allen,
The publication that is quoted from on the Pourbus-wiki site is a publically available, scholarly publication.
I have never ever before had to grant permission to quoting from a widely available publication.
Especially not if the author refers to the book and the specific text parts, as was the case.
So please, let the author quote our publication in the normal way.
Many thanks,
Marc de Beyer
Director
Museum Gouda"

Please now let me work at editing and finishing editing the article.
Regards,
--Emigré55 (talk) 08:29, 23 April 2020 (UTC)


Please read my answer to your wrong statement, here.
At this stage, I unfortunately feel compelled to repeat my questions hereabove, which remain unanswered: "Unless you were following other purposes? is this an editing war? or a personal conflict? Thank you for letting me know."
Hoping you will have the courtesy to answer,
regards,
--Emigré55 (talk) 11:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)


Do you feel that you comply with WP:5P4?
--Emigré55 (talk) 12:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, but WP:5P4 does not apply to the copyright violations. --Robert.Allen (talk) 16:54, 23 April 2020 (UTC)


Hello,
I regret that, once again, you did not have the courtesy to copy me in your message here.
Please remember WP:5P4 :

:"Wikipedia's editors should treat each other with respect and civility":

Respect your fellow Wikipedians, even when you disagree. Apply Wikipedia etiquette, and do not engage in personal attacks. Seek consensus, avoid edit wars, and never disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. Act in good faith, and assume good faith on the part of others. Be open and welcoming to newcomers. Should conflicts arise, discuss them calmly on the appropriate talk pages, follow dispute resolution procedures, and consider that there are 6,071,352 other articles on the English Wikipedia to improve and discuss.

In particular, please remember AND apply : WP:POINT, WP:GOODFAITH and WP:BITE
Regards,
--Emigré55 (talk) 17:35, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Please remember, I have never attacked you personally. However, I have not failed to notice that you criticized me on several occasions, in particular, when I first removed your additions and you reverted my edit, you said you suspected me of vandalism yet at the same time failed to acknowledge the material you added was copyrighted. Now you appear to complain that I did not take your subsequent claims at face value. After I checked the source and verified that your additions were indeed copyrighted, I notified you on your talk page that one should not add copyrighted material without a license. That notice also included the link for obtaining a license. It was only then you seemed to acknowledge, well yes, your additions were copyrighted. Now that you have obtained the necessary OTRS approval with the required license, we should all be happy. I know I am. --Robert.Allen (talk) 19:14, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Well, I cannot agree with you revisiting/rewriting the history this way, and I am sure you know why.
But it is pointless to argue, especially if, at this point, you really are happy about the outcome I had announced immediately and confirmed when the license was granted on April 16th, which at some point and until recently you still disputed.
Anyhow, in order to settle all this, can we agree that we will now both stay away from each other?
And that you will on your side avoid to doubt about my good faith (eg. writing that I "will be willing to go ahead and improve the article", whereas I wrote as of April 16th here "I will now work further on this important article in order to eliminate any other possible issue. Please allow me time for that. Best regards,--Emigré55 (talk) 20:57, 16 April 2020 (UTC)".
And that you will concentrate on other article rather that this one? and not further scrutinize/criticize my efforts to get it better? deal?
Then, I would also be happy, and forget on my side about what is for me a sad episode.
regards. --Emigré55 (talk) 20:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
One cannot simply rely on the word of an editor who has added copyrighted material that a license has been granted. It requires confirmation by OTRS. Now we finally have that, so the case is closed. --Robert.Allen (talk) 21:10, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Puzzled that you did not answer my last questions.....That would reassure me that, on your side, the case is really closed.--Emigré55 (talk) 21:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, in my view there is nothing to promise. I was intending to edit Pieter Pourbus, when I discovered your addition of copyrighted material. Until the problem was resolved, it did not make sense to edit your additions, because it was not clear they would remain in place. You mentioned how time consuming it is to Wikify them. I would think you would appreciate help. --Robert.Allen (talk) 21:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, At least this answer confirms that you are not finished with scrutinizing what I write.
And even maybe still are doubting of my good faith, as when you wrote all the above....
Is this also to announce of some chronicle future editing war from you?
Whatever you do (real constructive “help” as you seem to offer, and not merely reverting, as you did, which was only destructive), I sincerely hope this does not show or confirm some personal fixation on me, and that I am the target of this fixation. For lack of a better justification.
It is puzzling that you, all of a sudden, showed such interest for Pieter Pourbus.
Whereas all of your past interest and editing NEVER was in painting, but in music almost exclusively, until you turned recently to monuments, mainly those of Paris.
Hence my question,: where does this sudden, isolated, and peculiar interest for Pieter Pourbus comes from?
Regards, --Emigré55 (talk) 10:13, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Just a suggestion: If you don't want other editors possibly causing edit conflicts, you can use your Sandbox. Other editors are not supposed to edit your Sandbox. One approach would be to move all the material that needs Wikifying to your Sandbox. It's probably a good idea to remove it entirely from Pieter Pourbus until you've edited it in your Sandbox, then move it back into the main-space article as a new addition. --Robert.Allen (talk) 00:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
My suggestion to you: Try to think about it this way: What would you say if I started fact checking your own articles on Paris monuments, and would revert entirely your article when I find a quote which I don’t like or find appropriate? What would you say if I’d send directly a request to admin or OTRS as you did, without discussing with you first my concerns? --Emigré55 (talk) 10:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Please, simply and kindly stay away from me. Consider that there are 6,071,696 other articles on the English Wikipedia to improve and discuss. --Emigré55 (talk) 10:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

First of all, you are welcome to fact check and edit any article on Wikipedia, as am I. Second, I only reverted the text which you copied verbatim from a oopyrighted source, I did not revert the entire article. Third, the only edits I have made on your talk page were a notice about the addition of copyrighted material and later a comment pointing out how that text was generated and that it contained a link to a page with information that could help you deal with the problem. Fourth, I left a notice about your additions at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2020 April 16. Fifth, I sent a message to Museum Gouda to confirm that they wished to grant a license to allow the material you added. This was based on a recommendation I found on a Wikipedia Help page here. Unfortunately, their response to me did not confirm that they had granted the license. On the other hand, because I mentioned the problem to you, you were able to get OTRS to sort this out, and the license has now been granted, which is a fine outcome.
You request I "should stay away from you", but you are the one who has left numerous messages on my talk page and other places with allegations complaining about my conduct. Perhaps I did not do everything perfectly, but in my view, I did what any editor of Wikipedia should do when they notice additions of unlicensed copyrighted material. I would appreciate, if you would stop leaving messages on my talk page, which in my opinion now verges on harassment for drawing attention to your violation of a core Wikipedia policy. --Robert.Allen (talk) 22:04, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Paris

Best greetings from confined Paris and closed Louvre

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F8RsaylvBo0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A5oDxpXV9yI

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Hi, Robert. I'll spare you the templated message since you've been around the block and it's "just" one sentence that I wouldn't have noticed if not for some copyvio by two other users, but Special:Diff/1082951215 is a clear copyvio of this Times article. Special:Diff/1082958741 is also borderline: It's in quotation marks, but that implies that it's a quote from Cox, when it's actually the Times' paraphrase of him.

Please be more careful in the future. Thanks. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 01:58, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

The second quote is certainly not a copyright violation, but I agree the attribution could be construed as misleading, so I corrected the quote to make it exactly clear how The New York Times wrote it. Thank you for the help. --Robert.Allen (talk) 07:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

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Anne of Austria

Hello, I wanted to know, what was your reasoning for changing the info box image for Anne of Austria? I think it’s better for the lead image to be one of her as an adult instead of a child. Though I’m a big fan of Frans Pourbus she’s 15 years of age in that portrait so I think the Rubens portrait of her in her 20s would be better. Have a nice day! Orson12345 (talk) 19:20, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

@Orson12345: The Rubens painting was replaced with the Pourbus with this edit by Swapri10016. I just added the Rubens painting to the gallery so it would stay in the article. It's fine with me if you want to switch the Pourbus to the gallery and put the Rubens back in the infobox. I don't have a strong preference either way. Robert.Allen (talk) 19:55, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
Ok thank you for letting me know. I’ll switch the images. Orson12345 (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

File:Maude Fay as Senta - Fay Family website - enWP.jpg

I saw that you marked this as {{No commons}} in 2011, and was wondering if there's something about the copyright that I'm missing or if you don't want it there for personal reasons. In the latter case, would you mind if I replaced them with {{Keep local}} instead? The file won't be deleted locally, but it allows me to also upload a copy to Commons for other projects to use. Sennecaster (Chat) 00:43, 28 August 2022 (UTC) Other Maude Fay files have this tag as well, and fall under the same question? Sennecaster (Chat) 00:44, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

I think you can move it to Commons. If I remember correctly, I originally uploaded all her photos to Commons, but an editor there asked they all be moved to the English Wikipedia because the likely photographer's works were still at that time copyrighted in Germany (see Commons:User_talk:Robert.Allen#File:Maude_Fay_as_Elisabeth_-_Fay_Family_website.jpg). --Robert.Allen (talk) 00:55, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

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Louis de Gonzague

Hi Robert,

The intro to Louis' article is written like that, both due to the fact it was his name, and as it is what most of the academic literature refers to him as. Louis of Gonzaga is not his name, he naturalised his names to French when he emigrated, its Louis de Gonzague.

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I will answer on the article talk page. --Robert.Allen (talk) 17:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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