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Thanks so much for all your work on Paul Spoonley! Really appreciated. Violetnights (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

It has been an excellent page to work on and now I think reflects his contribution to NZ society. Appreciate the positive feedback. GregRealitylink (talk) 19:00, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for updating Anne Salmond

Kia ora and thanks for updating the article on Anne Salmond with the Blake Award! FYI we have a regular online meet-up of Wikipedia/Wikimedia editors based in New Zealand which you're welcome to join - the next one is on 6 December: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Aotearoa_New_Zealand_Online/6 All the best, MurielMary (talk) 10:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Kia ora ano. I would enjoy meeting up with others at the meeting next Sunday. Greg Realitylink (talk) 20:55, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Great! You can see the agenda on that page. There's also a group of new editors who get together to ask and answer questions about editing: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Aotearoa_New_Zealand_Editor_Support#23_November_2020 and if you are on Facebook there's a Wikipedia New Zealand group where people discuss editing too. MurielMary (talk) 08:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Cheers, sounds excellent. Greg Realitylink (talk) 09:43, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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Just to let you know, I have moved Gregsandbox2draft to User:Realitylink/Gregsandbox2draft where you can work on it without interference. Regards --John B123 (talk) 09:22, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I was so excited to have such a great page to work on, that I incorrectly named the sandbox. Much appreciated.Realitylink (talk) 09:51, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

But, whoops, I seem to have lost the content....Realitylink (talk) 09:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

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Something like that can be most annoying. It's a very detailed article and obviously, a lot of work has gone into it. You've put good arguments forward. The easiest thing to avert deletion might be to proof that GNG has been met. You know all the sources; are there a couple of reliable sources where she was discussed as a person (as opposed to her work), with some biographical details? If you point me to those (please reply here), I'll take a look. If it stacks up, I shall comment accordingly. Schwede66 01:53, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it pretty a pretty hardline approach when she has done so much across all areas of science, not just the general practitioner aspect that they seem to see as being less than notable! Also, I am picking up that Turner, like many NZ scientists, is a very private person so there is little about her earlier life. I really liked this article by The Royal New Zealand College of General Practitioners because it was an interview in which she talked about a lot of her values and experiences that have shaped her career. But I got told early on that it was not a reliable secondary source so took it off. Have look anyway. Thanks for your interest. I feel strongly that this is a good article.Realitylink (talk) 03:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

• Dear Realitylink, I think things don't look good for your article on Nikki Turner. My view of the issue is that anyone with some academic publications tends gets judged by many on the WP:Prof criteria alone. It seems clear to me that she is a lot of good academic contributions but it is her work in public health generally and as director of IMAC and all the reports on/by her in the media are why she is notable and we should have a page on her. The page's over promotional tone... large content is something that often annoys people. I am not sure how best to proceed and I think it is often difficult to change the mood of an AfD once it has started. And lines like She is, at best, a standard academic in her field are I think very harsh. Anyway best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 15:26, 27 March 2021 (UTC))

• Thanks for that Msrasnw; I reckon we have a way forward - check out the discussion on the deletion page.Realitylink (talk) 21:24, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

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That isn't the way to deal with a stub assessment. Instead, what you do is either reassess an article by giving it a different rating (you need some experience for it, though), or, if the current assessment is obviously wrong, you remove that assessment part itself (in this case, the words "stub" where they appear). What you've done instead is remove the project tags in their entirety, and that is obviously undesirable. Those tags are there so that editors who belong to those WikiProjects can keep an eye on things. Schwede66 22:14, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that, appreciate your expertise. Realitylink (talk) 00:03, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

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Jemma Geoghegan photo

I see that you've uploaded a photo of Jemma Geoghegan to Commons. That looks like rather professional work. Are you based in Dunedin? I'm asking because you say it's your own work and she's based in Dunedin. There is a group of active Wikipedians in Dunedin who sometimes meet; you might want to join them. But my main question is – did you take that photo in Dunedin? Schwede66 19:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, I have to admit that she took it herself and sent it to me. Lakes380 upload their own images and I did suggest that she uploaded it there but it wasn't happening, so I did it myself. I told her I was doing this. I guess it comes down from Wikicommons and then she uploads it to the other page now? So, yes, I don't live in Dunedin these days! Realitylink (talk) 21:59, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, I have to admit that I knew that the photo wasn't taken in Dunedin. It was taken by somebody working for Macquarie University (and not by herself, I'm afraid). Copyright rests with the photographer (and sometimes, they have signed their rights to their client, i.e. the university) and not with the subject. I shall nominate the photo for deletion. Don't pass other people's work as your own; it's the quickest way to get blocked across all of Wikimedia. Schwede66 22:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough. Realitylink (talk) 22:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah, and the perils of rushing responses - too much happening! - when I was mentioning Lakes380 above, it was about an image for Susie Wood, who I did have a few communications with about her photo...so I guess this one will need to come down as well and I suggest to her that she upload it? (She did tell me she took it herself and was ok with it going up. I know there is a permission process for this...)You are a patient person; I hope you take my responses as being in good faith. I have a lot to learn and thanks for your help. Realitylink (talk) 23:02, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

My middle name is "patience" and it's not hard to see that you are a good faith editor. New editors do stuff up one thing or another (been there; done that) and the important thing is to learn from it etc. If you do have the permission from the photographer, there is no need to take a photo down; what you need to do is to get them to send their permission to Commons. Here's an email template; fill that out for each photo and send it off to the respective photographer. I'll mark those photos as "OTRS pending" on Commons.

Here's a list of what you have uploaded to Commons. I've converted this to a wikitable – see below. Can you please edit the table below, and replace "tbd" (to be determined) with what needs to happen to each photo? I suggest the following fields:

• OTRS
• delete
• own work
• licence ok

How does that sound? Schwede66 04:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I will start with the ones I know for sure...and will chip away at them. (what does OTRS mean exactly? The same as tbd?):Realitylink (talk) 06:39, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

The page that has the email template contains an explanation and links where you can read up on the details. But for the purpose of this exercise, whenever you send an email off for a photo, put OTRS into the table below. Schwede66 06:47, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Glen Eden Playhouse.jpg – what is the website, please? I'd like to have a look what they say about copyright. Schwede66 06:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

I contacted the person who took the Playhouse photo, Paul Hafner and he confirmed I could use it (see email below)

        From: Paul Hafner <paul@auckland-west.co.nz> 
        Sent: Monday, 15 March 2021 4:59 PM
        To: greg@chalmers.kiwi
        Subject: Re: Permission to use an image on Wikipedia

        Kia ora Greg,
        thanks for your enquiry, and yes you are welcome to use my image (file PICT7903aw.jpg, http://auckland- 
        west.co.nz/2010/01/13/playhouse-theatre-glen-eden-3/) for your work on a wikipedia page.
        Best wishes for this project.
        Paul

Realitylink (talk) 07:02, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah, good. That is one of the OTRS cases. The email above isn't good enough; please follow up with them using the text as provided.

What's the story with Richard Clinghan, please? It says "your work" on the file but "licence ok" in the table below. Schwede66 07:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry getting mixed up with the cover image - which is definitely the author's; so yes, OTRS.Realitylink (talk)

And Theatre image.jpg – is that also OTRS as opposed to "licence ok"? Schwede66 07:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Holy moly...not even sure what image that is? Ah here is the permission I think...

      Permission details
      This image has been released as "CCBY" by Auckland Museum. For details refer to the Commons project page.

Definitely a good learning curve...won't happen again! Had to swing out of a family card game to sweep upstairs to the computer...as you do. I tried releasing David Wratt image...just followed the process. Will that work? I haven't sent it to him...??(talk) 08:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

You should definitely socialise with family; sorting this out isn't urgent. I don't know what you mean by "I tried releasing David Wratt image...just followed the process. Will that work?" I see that the OTRS team has made a modification. What needs to happen is for you to complete the boiler plate text, you then send that to the photographer, asking the photographer to send that permission to the OTRS team. Schwede66 09:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, yes all sorted with the process I think. Sent the link to David Wratt to complete and send to Permissions. Will do the others tomorrow. Cheers Realitylink (talk) 11:13, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Sent the emails to David Wratt (His has been approved already), Susie Wood, Dave Lowe, Tim Naish and Paul Hafner. Just gotta do Jim Salinger now. Realitylink (talk) 04:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Theatre image.jpg needs sorting, too. If it comes from a website that says CCBY, there needs to be a link provided to that website. For the time being, I've set this to "tbd". Schwede66 04:37, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I thought the Theatre image one was already on Wikicommons, but not sure? So far I have been cc'd into permissions being added to images for: David Wratt, Glen Eden Playhouse, Dave Lowe, Tim Naish - pretty sure those for Nikki Turner, Jim Salinger and Susie Wood will go through judging from the email communications so far. Some of those ones of Susie Wood out in the field are a little more difficult to trace. Richard Clinghan has his own Wikipedia account so can probably deal with the image himself. Gonna lose that one of the Hollywood Theatre though - will go out and get some shots this morning. Thanks again for your support and patience. Realitylink (talk) 20:28, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

No, those licences are not ok. You uploaded the file and if you are not the photographer, you have to go through the OTRS process. Having an email that says "it's ok to use that photo" is not good enough. Having been copied into permission emails is also not enough. The issue is resolved when the OTRS team changes the licence; I'll now go through and tag all the images. Schwede66 22:46, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok, so do I need to do anything at this stage? Realitylink (talk) 02:03, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

I've updated the table below. Everywhere where it says "OTRS pending", you need to send the photographer a permission email if you haven't done so already. Beyond that, we'll wait whether the OTRS volunteers sign off on what they receive. Those photos where licences remain unresolved we'll put up for deletion. Schwede66 04:50, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

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Date	Filename on Commons	Status
29/06/2021 8:31	Susie Wood (002).jpg (file)	OTRS pending
15/06/2021 9:27	Pouwhenua Konini Primary School.jpg (file)	own work
14/06/2021 12:25	Konini Primary School, Auckland New Zealand.jpg (file)	own work
31/05/2021 10:24	Susie Wood collecting samples at Lake Wai Raupo.jpg (file)	OTRS pending
31/05/2021 10:20	Susie Wood collecting samples.jpg (file)	OTRS pending
31/05/2021 10:15	Susie Wood transporting samples.jpg (file)	OTRS pending
31/05/2021 10:09	Susie Wood at Lake Wai Raupo.jpg (file)	OTRS pending
31/05/2021 10:03	Susie Wood at Lake Rotoiti.jpg (file)	OTRS pending
30/05/2021 12:30	Susie Wood.jpg (file)	OTRS pending
4/05/2021 15:08	Henderson High School Aerial view 1953.jpg (file)	licence ok
4/05/2021 9:52	Hollywood Cinema Avondale.jpg (file)	delete
24/03/2021 14:02	Jemma Geoghegan cropped image.jpg (file)	delete
24/03/2021 9:26	Jemma Geoghegan.jpg (file)	delete
23/03/2021 15:50	Richard Clinghan.jpg (file)	OTRS pending
15/03/2021 19:00	Theatre image.jpg (file)	OTRS confirmed
15/03/2021 16:07	Image of Glen Eden Playhouse.jpg (file)	OTRS pending
16/12/2020 14:30	Nikki2019.jpg (file)	OTRS pending
2/12/2020 22:16	David Wratt.jpg (file)	OTRS confirmed
7/11/2020 15:48	Tim Naish.jpg (file)	OTRS confirmed
2/11/2020 17:27	October 2020 Lowe working on a book project.jpg (file)	OTRS confirmed
28/09/2020 14:22	Jim Salinger.jpg (file)	OTRS pending
18/09/2020 11:32	Doctor Haikerwal.png (file)	OTRS pending
18/08/2020 15:25	Glen Eden Intermediate Modern Learning Environment.jpg (file)	own work
18/08/2020 15:18	Glen Eden Intermediate Administration Block.jpg (file)	own work
17/08/2020 20:48	Glen Eden Intermediate Technology Block.jpg (file)	own work
17/08/2020 20:44	Glen Eden Intermediate Swimming pool.jpg (file)	own work
17/08/2020 20:36	Glen Eden Intermediate Middle court.jpg (file)	own work
17/08/2020 20:27	Glen Eden Intermediate front gate.jpg (file)	own work

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All fixed now, thanks. Realitylink (talk) 06:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for that. I haven't had anything to do with Wikidata, but should do I feel! Do I need to do anything specific to get involved with it?Realitylink (talk) 23:19, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

It's like Wikipedia. Edit it if you feel so inclined. It's a good way to see what's online; there are some very nifty tools for creating lists of items (e.g. those things listed by Heritage New Zealand restricted to a region of interest). A related cool tool is Wikishootme; this runs on your phone (it's a website), and once you authorise its use (same Wikipedia account), it knows where you are and shows you Wikidata items with coordinates where there's no photo yet. Easy to find listed heritage buildings. Wikishootme uploads to Commons and links the photo to the Wikidata entry. Very cool! Schwede66 03:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Ok, so I was thinking of doing a draft of a page for Andrew Becroft and see that he has a Wikidata page. Obviously I can use the references from there - all nicely archived. And if the article does get done...it will link back to Wikidata automatically as long as the name is the same?Realitylink (talk) 20:27, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

It's easy enough to link it yourself (if it doesn't do it automatically). Whey you have the Wikidata page open, hit "edit" next to 'Wikipedia'. Where it then says "Wiki", it wants the relevant language code – that's en for the English Wikipedia. You then get to see an input field "page" where you enter the article's name. Hit "publish" and it's all done. Schwede66 01:15, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks, have done that now. Realitylink (talk) 12:46, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

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Hi there, and thanks for the notification. What about something like: Another publication collated essays that considered several issues that needed to be resolved before the goals of Tomorrow's Schools be could be realised.

If this is ok, and I add it, then I am assuming you can remove the tag? Once again, my appreciation for your prompt and entirely appropriate action. This is what makes Wikipedia credible. Nice work. Let me know your thinking...or perhaps I just take the whole reference out of the article? Your call. Realitylink (talk) 00:25, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

That works, feel free to re-add. The tag won't be removed until an administrator processes it though, as I'm asking for just the revisions with copyrighted content to be redacted. It shouldn't affect your work unless you're adding more. I don't really know much about the topic, but I think WP:SPS and primary source guidelines might be a concern in this case. If the information exists in secondary sources, that's usually a more reliable source. Sennecaster (Chat) 01:36, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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Fixed now, thanks. Realitylink (talk) 09:23, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for your additions! Could you be so kind as to note that the article uses mdy dates and is so tagged at the top of the article? It is your responsibility to make sure you use the right date format, but all your additions have dmy dates. Skyerise (talk) 12:09, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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All fixed now. Thanks. Realitylink (talk) 09:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

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	The New Zealand Wars / Ngā Pakanga o Aotearoa (book) is a very good article. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 04:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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See MOS:INOROUT. When what is being quoted is a sentence fragment, the terminal period is outside the quotation marks. When the quotation is a full sentence, and the quotation ends with a period, then the period is inside the quotation marks. Paora (talk) 21:56, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for that. I spent hours last night scouring for an answer and missed that bit about the 'fragment'! So is the expectation that if a full sentence is being quoted, it would need to have the upper case letter included in the quote when added to the article in the middle of the sentence? Would it need a colon before?? Comma?? Somehow that looks kind of weird to me; I certainly haven't done it with all my quotes in the past, and don't see it often in Wikipedia articles. But hey, we keep learning and it is something I will watch in the future and go back and revert my edits from this morning, and maybe add a couple of captitals....Realitylink (talk) 22:17, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I suspect the answer is, yes! No problem and good to get it right. I am going back over some of other articles and checking on them. Thanks for drawing my attention to this. Kia ora.Realitylink (talk) 01:36, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

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