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Another welcome from me. I hope you won't stop editing for the sole reason that an admin has a different view. Just take it as an opportunity to sharpen your arguments. Maybe you can Make a personal copy as suggested in Wikipedia:Writing_better_articles#Other_issues and give a notice in the Talk page to start a discussion. --Swen 13:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swen (talk • contribs)
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[edit]What happened here? You seem to have replaced a perfectly sensible description of the idea of an invention with a mis-typed, US-centric screed describing inventions as tricks. Please don't do it again. If it was somehow well-intentioned, please ask for help, either at the 'Teahouse' or on my talk page. Mortee (talk) 01:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- There is no reason to be rude to me. And if you have comments, please add them to the talk page of the lemma itself, so that other people can judge it. My contribution wss not "somehow well-intentioned", but a serious attempt to explain a complicated concept.
- No, my comments are not "US-centric". I am a European (Dutch) lawyer who wrote a PhD on a comparative study on the invention concept, combining in particular German and British insights.
- I respected that the word "invention" is not just a legal concept, but in practice it is by and large, and the legal invention concept is not far away from the colloquial invention concept. As I explained on the "talk" page, the idea that an invention is not inherently new may surprise people at first sight, but applies as well in common parlance. We still say that the steam engine is an invention, not a "former invention".
- Describing an invention as a "trick" is a way to explain the invention to lay people. The essence of a trick is that one can execute it, and that applies to inventions as well. Perhaps it is actually the American view that is different! In Europe, and invention is a "teaching how to act". The famous German textbook by Kraßer refers to a "Lehre zum Handeln", a teaching how to act.
- Since Wikipedia is not a platform for debate, I refrained from adding that inventions must be technical in a European perception, in contrast to the American conception. This is not a political choice, but a deliberate decision not to dell on controveries when I am explaining a concept. Rbakels (talk) 10:04, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Rbakels: hi there - sorry, I've not been on Wikipedia for a while and hadn't noticed your reply. You're right that I wasn't fair to you, mostly because I misinterpreted you as calling patents 'trickery'. Looking back, the diff is also much larger than I appreciated, and you were making a genuine effort to clarify the page. I'm sorry for my lapse and for my unkind tone. Happy New Year. Mortee (talk) 10:21, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
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[edit]Please ping or post to my talk page if you come up with some suggestions. Doug Weller talk 14:08, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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