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AfC notification: Draft:Stephen Smith has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Stephen Smith. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 15:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Andrew MacLeod (July 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Loksmythe were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Requires third-party, independent sources.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Loksmythe (talk) 18:04, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Qgrunklebert! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Loksmythe (talk) 18:04, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Loksmythe,

What exactly is the reasoning for the rejection of the article? I believe I did include adequate independent sources when needed. Please let me know how I can improve the article for publishing.

Thanks Qgrunklebert (talk) 18:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft was declined, rather than rejected. I have reviewed the sources you used in the draft and they are not independent - they are press releases from the company, or not in depth, significant coverage (Bloomberg). There are instructions above for how to improve the draft, though I doubt MacLeod reaches the notabilty threshold. See WP:NBIO, WP:NBUSINESSPERSON and WP:DECLINED. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 18:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense; I'll try to look for more notable people to write on. Qgrunklebert (talk) 18:45, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Peter Clarke (July 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Curb Safe Charmer was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Peter Clarke and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 18:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Stephen Smith (July 5)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jamiebuba was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Jamiebuba (talk) 14:47, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Stephen Smith has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Stephen Smith. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 16:39, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Robert,

Once it gets approved I will be sure to add this Stephen Smith to the disambiguation page. In the meantime, is there any chance you could please provide some clarity for me on why it is getting declined? It points towards lack of proper sources, but I feel like the sources I provided are valid. If not, could you please tell me which sources are no good, and why?

Thanks Qgrunklebert (talk) 17:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Paul Rivett (businessman) has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Paul Rivett (businessman). Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 15:19, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Robert,

Thanks for reviewing the article. Should I go about adding a disambiguation page and hatnotes to this Paul Rivett and the other one now, or is that something I should wait on until the article gets approved?

Thanks Qgrunklebert (talk) 15:25, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Paul Rivett (businessman) (July 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by BuySomeApples were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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BuySomeApples (talk) 17:07, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

Thanks for reviewing the article. I've been writing a few articles recently which have all been declined for similar reason, and I try to improve each time to no avail. Is there any chance you could please give me specifics on what is wrong with the article? That would help me very much.

Thank you. Qgrunklebert (talk) 17:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure how you are choosing these individuals to write about, or how you are gathering content about them? It would help to understand your motivations.

It is important to understand that Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information. We have guidelines on who should have an article about them, and who should not. See WP:NBIO. The consensus is that business people such as CEOs shouldn't have an article about them just because they are a CEO of a big company or have had a successful career. At best, we might accept a redirect from the name of the CEO to the company they are CEO of. For their to be a standalone article about a business person, an author needs to show that the person's life and career has been subject to substantial independent coverage. This might be that someone has written a book about the person, or a chapter of a book about them, or numerous national newspaper articles have been written about them. Think Bill Gates. Coverage such as a corporate announcement about that person being appointed is considered routine coverage, and doesn't count towards notability - otherwise every business executive would have an article about them. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:24, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Curb Safe Charmer,

I am finding these individuals through interest in Canadian business and seeing / hearing about them often because of it.

I understand what you're saying about not all individuals needing a Wikipedia page, which I am coming to understand as I get more familiar with Wikipedia article creation. However I feel that at least 2 of the 4 individuals I have made articles for are notable enough for recognition on Wikipedia. I for one was baffled that Smith and Rivett did not already have Wikipedia pages, with Smith's lack of page being the reason I started writing Wikipedia articles.

As you were saying though, I now see why MacLeod and Clarke may not be notable enough, as most information on them is "routine coverage" as you put it. But Smith and Rivett have a lot of coverage on them that is not routine which for me makes them highly notable in the business world, which as a Torontonian I have seen especially with Rivett's takeover of the Star which was the talk of the city for a while.

Please let me know if there's any way that I can improve my articles on Smith and Rivett, as I do now realize that MacLeod and Clarke are not quite there yet in terms of notability.

Thanks Qgrunklebert (talk) 19:36, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:45, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Curb Safe Charmer: My apologies for the poor choice of words. I, like seemingly many other creators on Wikipedia, am writing to give back in a sense. Being a kid interested in business with no better way of learning about it, I resorted to Wikipedia to learn about businesses and important figures, and I figured I would repay that (while also filling some gaps that I wish did not exist when I was reading business Wikipedia) by writing articles about people who I would have liked to learn about through Wikipedia. I apologize if it comes off as COI for whatever reason, I can assure you that I am not being paid to do this like you accuse me of.

Thanks Qgrunklebert (talk) 20:04, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Paul Rivett (businessman) (July 7)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Chris troutman was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Sources related to the subject are not what we need. I don't see a claim of notability.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Paul Rivett (businessman) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Chris Troutman (talk) 01:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Paul Rivett (businessman) (July 15)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Greenman was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Early life section is insufficiently sourced. First source makes no mention of the subject.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Greenman (talk) 09:37, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Paul Rivett (businessman) (July 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Chris troutman was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Again, no claim of notability. This subject was a part-owner of the Toronto Star. It seems the buying and selling of the paper was noteworthy, not this part-owner although half of that content was from the Toronto Star, itself and therefore not independent.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Paul Rivett (businessman) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Chris Troutman (talk) 01:31, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Your draft article, Draft:Stephen Smith (Canadian businessman)

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