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Taare Zameen Par

Hey, just reminding you about Taare Zameen Par. Thanks again for your help. :) Ωphois 01:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. We'll see what I do. I'm a much bigger fan of Supernatural than I am of Bollywood, but I'm also a fan in general of film FAs. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 02:52, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

If you would rather review Supernatural, I'm finishing up Season 3 here. Ωphois 14:07, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll watchlist it. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:14, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Great, thanks. I've already gone ahead and added the stuff to the main article. Ωphois 03:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm lazy. Give me a link. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 04:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Supernatural (season 3) Ωphois 12:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey, just checking if you planned on copyediting the season 3 article. If not, that's ok. Thanks. Ωphois 20:12, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Good reminder. I've been out of town for the last while. I'll try and get on it. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 03:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

tool use

I semi-protected, not protected. Any editor willing to take responsibility for his actions can undo the redirect. Whether we agree on the final status of the article or not, the history of the article has involved people logging out to resurrect it so that their behaviour can't be traced to them. If it really sticks with you, I'll undo the semi and take it to RFPP. If you can show a discussion that shows people have agreed that Bulbasaur is notable, I'll undo the redirect myself. "It happened on RSN at some indeterminate point in the past" doesn't quite cut it.—Kww(talk) 04:27, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Shit, I was wrong. I thought you totally protected it (not that I'll do another revert either way).

By the way, I wanted to support you last RfA, but it was over before I noticed it. Anwyas, keep up the good work.

I'll find that discussion. It may take be bit, MUHAHAHAHA. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 04:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Took it to RFPP anyway. I said I'd obey the letter of WP:INVOLVED, so I should hold myself to a high standard in that respect.—Kww(talk) 04:36, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I've never heard of that page, but I'll check it out. Anyways, the discussion is at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_59#Humor.2Fsatire_articles. It's not a slam dunk, but I think the article deserves more than just a revert war. Maybe an AfD. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

GAs too?

Hi, thanks for your comment at The Signpost's F and A page. My feeling is that the page is already large in scope covering just featured content. Tony (talk) 12:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I just mean a line like "GAs increased by 50 this week, going from 7000 to 7050" or something. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 15:23, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Bulbasaur, re

Because I'm not entirely convinced that the sources are up to the standard. It would be much better to wait until it's adequately improved before splitting it out. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:39, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Understood. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 02:20, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Chelsea

Thanks... I don't take it personally. I'm still convinced I'm right about needing to achieve NPOV on that issue and may pursue it further, but I'm trying to be consistent with policy and good sense. I'm letting myself cool down a bit on it.

I certainly have tried to reach a compromise on it, and at least one senior editor agreed with me. We'll see.

I'm learning a lot about editing protocols in the process.

I obviously don't spend a lot of time editing, but have really just cleaned up a few simple typos and the one you mentioned where a reference was just plain wrong.

I'm quickly learning that articles with even the slightest political overtones really challenge the goal of achieving NPOV.

Thanks again. John2510 (talk) 18:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. And yeah, politics, religion, and a number of other topics have a ton of drama associated with them. Some articles have maybe 100:1 talk page discussion to actual article. Wikipedian's also have a secular, science oriented, and left leaning bias, which may be a bit of what you ran into on the Chelsea article. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 18:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I don't think it would have the difference, but having a red linked username will cause people to trust your judgement a bit less. It makes people think you're new, and may not know what you're talking about. Fair or not. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 18:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

All interesting points. It's fair to trust newbies less... but it did get a little annoying when the sole point some made was, "You don't edit much, therefore you're wrong." Oh, well. I survived it without getting blocked. That was something of an accomplishment. Thanks again. John2510 (talk) 21:41, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem and happy editing. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 21:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Christ myth theory

Hi PF, would you mind looking at the RfC again? You posted just before I added the figures, which do suggest that Jesus myth might be more common, depending on how you write it. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 06:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Autopatroller

Hi PergrineFisher. I'm surprised no-one has done this earlier, as you've obviously mastered the art of creating referenced articles on notable subjects, but I've now set your account as WP:Autopatrolled. Cheers ϢereSpielChequers 13:03, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 15:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Recently deceased people

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Supernatural

Hey, just reminding you about Supernatural (season 3). Thanks. Ωphois 02:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

We'll see what happens. I'm a bit lazy, lately. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 03:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Glee Nom.

Just to check...were you saying you were in support of Glee (season 1) for FLC, or were you simply commenting? This wasn't clear in your comment and I wasn't sure if you were casting a vote or not at the time. =) Frickative is working out the rest of the concerns from Matthew, so we're looking for additional opinions now. CycloneGU (talk) 05:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I haven't read it, I just think that if it passes the FLC in other ways, then the conflict with the other articles shouldn't stop it from passing. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 05:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I follow. Cheers. CycloneGU (talk) 13:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Lakeland Terrier

I'm working on this article (I have one of these great dogs). I see a minor fix needed but it's beyond me. There are 2 items listed under references which I think really belong under external links. Do you agree? If so, how do I move them ?

Thanks, Pal.Carmarg4 (talk) 13:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

They're like little Airedales!

I moved one to kinda show how I would do it.[1] It probably still needs a bit of adjusting. Anyways, unlike the magical references with their ref tag that you write one place, and they show up another, external links are done manually right where you want to see them. Single square brackets, a URL, a space, and some text are used to create the link. For instance, [http://www.google.com/ GOOGLE] does this GOOGLE. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 14:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Lincoln - Two Sections Combined/Renamed

I combined "Lincoln-Douglas Debates of 1858" with "Prep for 1860 Election" and renamed the new section. It seemed right based on the small amount of content in both. It looks good to me but I've never been this bold before and would appreciate you taking a peek.Carmarg4 - not sure what happened there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.211.3 (talk) 15:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

It sounds like you're doing things correctly, per WP:BRD. In general and long story short, do whatever you want, but be prepared to fight about it in a way that can be very emotional. It can effect you more than you think. In this case, you're not actually doing anything that controversial, so the issue won't come up. We have kind of a "street cred" or something here on Wikipedia, so the more good edits you do (and you've done a ton), the more credence you'll be given if you ever do do something that other people don't like. At this point, just keep up the good work. If you do want to experience some animosity because you're curious, go edit an Israel/Palestine article. They use edits like weapons. It's pretty crazy. Also, work on signing your name with the four tildes. You can edit your own user page or talk page willy nilly all you want, so that's a good place to practice. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 04:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

The Vampire Diaries

You say The Simpsons is a good one to look at? The Vampire Diaries season 1 has more information that that, but the user still put it in an incubator (not an admin or anything, just ownership issues). I'm just clarifying that The Simpsons is good enough, by guidelines? Jayy008 (talk) 10:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

WebCiteBOT - talk at Village Pump

I started a conversation about WebCiteBOT at the Village Pump Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#WebCiteBOT is down - Dead links at record high. I also found the original source code. I thought you might like to comment on it. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (talk | contribs) 16:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

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I am done

I'm glad you asked. I have finished Donald's book, and I went in to try to clean up the references. I looked yesterday at the intro and made a couple changes just to improve the readability. I will try to do that section by section but there are probably "writers" out there better suited for that function. But to answer your question, yes I am done in terms of the substance I thought I should add from reading the biography. I have no clue about when it should be renominated but I did want to let you know my "push" was done for the most part. I enjoyed it. I have a procedural question...when you send me a message at my talk page, is it best for me to reply on your talk page or mine?Carmarg4 (talk) 15:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'm going to take a look and see if it's ready for GA or FA.

You can reply at either page. Most people keep the discussion in one place, but a substantial number like to go back and forth. Generally you want to watchlist talk pages where you are discussing things. Also, the first comment in a section should not be indented, so you're comment above and my reply are both indented once more than normal. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:51, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks; and let me know if I can help in any way. I will enjoy watching/helping the FA nomination process.Carmarg4 (talk) 19:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I would love to co nominate it with you. I think you'd enjoy the experience, although you have to remember to not take the criticism personally, it's just people trying to make the article as good as possible. I'm starting to go through it now, bottom up. The second half needs more work than the first. I'll start a discussion on the AL talk page. Maybe someone else will help. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 21:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I have reworked the Philosophy/religion section. Does the intro section need more cites? I'm glad to co-nominate with you...you've done this before so I will let you lead. let me know how and when I can help. I'll try to bone up on process.Carmarg4 (talk) 15:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. I'm thinking about setting up a co nom for us, not sure when. I'm trying to think of obvious things that we can take care of before we start. I did the weired alt text for the images (for blind people). The main issue is still refs. I just noticed two more paras without refs, and then there's a number of scary paras that have a ref at the end, but I have a feeling it only covers the end of the para and not the whole thing. We can either nom it really soon, see what happens, and remember we can always nom it a second time. Or we can try and dot our i's, and maybe pass the first time. What do you think? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 17:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll look at the paras.Carmarg4 (talk) 18:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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Read Wikipedia:GA?. Read WP:FL?. Read WP:ASSESS. Discographies are lists and can never become a GA. Thank you. You cannot go against the community because you dont like it. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 06:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

While that article may or may not be eligible for GA, to say that a discography cannot be a GA is wrong (there has been tons of discussion on this issue spanning several years, mostly in the context of Lists of episodes, but it relates). Because that's wrong, I think it's rude to remove someone else's nom without first discussing it on the GA talk page. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 06:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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Re:Thanks

Let me know when you're done - I stopped halfway through to avoid making the FAC any huger than I already had. As I said there, you'd done some impressive work, and I hope the next FAC is successful. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 14:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:43, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

AL Edit Tag

I think should have l let the editors handle the tag. I left a message for the editor. BTW I am in VA. It does help to know when someone is a few time zones away in this. Anyway, sorry for the confusion Pal. Carmarg4 (talk) 13:18, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I think you're tag may have alerted them to the fact that two copy editors were trying to work on the same article and about to have a conflict. Even if not, it's absolutely no big deal. I will say that c/e requests frequently languish for months or years, so again AL is a special article. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, very much, for your kind words at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Most Hated Family in America about my work on the article. Much appreciated. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

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Re: Screencast

Hi there! My understanding is that you will be present at the Screen Sprint event--I look forward to meeting you. I am not surprised WikiProject Oregon members have stepped up to the plate, as the project is a group of highly productive members. WikiProject Screencast will be interesting to watch develop. I am not a tech-savvy individual, but I look forward to seeing the results.

Do you have much experience with templates and categories? I cannot figure out for the life of me why this category doesn't include all of the project participants displaying this template/userbox even though several people display the box. If you are unsure or uninterested, no worries, it is just so frustrating! Talk to you soon! --Another Believer _(Talk) 02:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Just glancing, but you have [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cannabis|WikiProject Cannabis]], while User:Ethnopunk has {{User WikiProject Cannabis}}. It may something to do with nocat in Template:Userbox and Template:User WikiProject Cannabis. I wouldn't turn it on without asking people (if that's what's happening). WP:VPT will tell you how to fix it in less than a day (or less, they're quick), I bet. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 03:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! --Another Believer _(Talk) 04:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

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I think I am done. Let me know what I can do at this point if anything. Carmarg4 (talk) 21:00, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

It turns out not special knowledge is needed to finish the User:Peregrine_Fisher/ALFA2Archive#Sourcing_check._I.27ll_do_this.2C_since_it.27s_based_on_our_rules_which_I_know_already section, I think. I thought the refs were reliable, and would need a bit of research to prove it, but it turns out one isn't reliable, and the other is from a right wing group so probably isn't a high quality source. So they need Donald replacements. The rest is pretty self explanatory. I can finish off the section in the next couple of days, if you don't beat me to it.

More importantly, we need to figure out our next step. We can do several things. Ask NikkiMaria if she would continue her detailed review, make a new request at the copy editor guild, put it for a formal peer review, take it to WP:GA, or to WP:FA again. What do you think? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 21:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC).

I decided to go through and do a copy edit of my own. I have found a few down right sloppy spots and fixed them. We got a note from the very first c/e we initially heard from a week and a half ago; now offering to re-structure the prose and I told them to go for it. They won't start though for a week or two. I remember a note on the FAC saying this would need at least a couple thorough c/e's. Maybe we should try to give the c/e guild three swings at it and then take another step? Carmarg4 (talk) 13:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Sounds great. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 17:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Screencast

What was that bit of software we were using to make those screencasts yesterday? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Supernatural help

Hey, I put up No Rest for the Wicked (Supernatural) for FAC a few weeks ago. Someone is close to opposing, and says that the article needs a copyedit. Do you mind doing a copyedit? It's a pretty small article. Thanks. Ωphois 16:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't have time right now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: WikiProject Screencast

Peregrine, it was a pleasure meeting and working with you this past weekend at Screen Sprint. I am sure we will work together again in the future--until then, best wishes! Oh, and thanks for letting me borrow your laptop all weekend! --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I enjoyed it as well. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Kennedy

I think I told you I would be moving on in my reading of the presidents at some point. I thought it would be A. Johnson, but that book hasn't come so I am starting Kennedy (by Richard Reeves-just the presidency). At first blush, it looks to me like the Lincoln article is in SO much better shape. Hard to believe these presidents aren't in better shape-I guess the task is so daunting for volunteer work. Anyway, we have done a lot a good work there, Pal. Let me know if I can help in any way on another FAC or whatever...and remember...ask not what your wikipedia can do for you...blah, blah, blah.Carmarg4 (talk) 13:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. I've been out of town, but I'll be back soon and then we'll see what's up. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

TFA

Congrats on the front page-ness! I remember copyediting that piece.. Kudos! Scartol • Tok 20:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, it was fun. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 02:03, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

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Lincoln Copy Edit

I recall that by this time there was somone who was going to start a c/e; I can't remember who it was. This was to be the next step. You still think another c/e or 2 is advisable? Can you get somebody to initiate it? Hope all is well.Carmarg4 (talk) 00:35, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

To find out things you have forgotten, look at your "My contributions" at the top. I did so, and it's User talk:Livitup. They stopped editing after our discussion, so I'll drop them a line. If they don't respond, I'd like to take AL to WP:GA. It's a good interim step. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 03:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Pal. Let me know if I can help. I am working on Kennedy; about half way thru. I don't think I have it in me to do what is needed for Kennedy to get it really up to snuff, beyond adding the substance from the book.Carmarg4 (talk) 13:34, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

What you've done at Kennedy is very impressive. I've been watching your progress a bit. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 15:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Lincoln page

Hello Peregrine Fisher, I am wondering why you removed the Lincoln memorial stamp from the Abraham Lincoln page that has had viewer consensus since May. That particular stamp is famous and is historic and was issued as a direct result of Lincoln's assassination. It was removed without any legitimate reason. Also, the Lincoln mask that was put in place of the Lincoln stamp is interesting, but it was made months before Lincoln's assassination and doesn't really belong in the 'Assassination' section. Somehow the citation tag was removed from its caption. The claim '2 months before his death' should have a citation. Other information, like who made this mask, is needed. I welcome the mask but it needs more information and wasn't placed in the best section, and at the cost of a relevant good faith contribution. If there is a disagreement of some sort a discussion would be appreciated. GWillHickers (talk) 10:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. I tried to leave you a note before I reverted, but I don't think you replied. As I look closer, I think you're changes are good. What happened was, I saw the part you added about John Parker and the Star Saloon, but I didn't notice that you had added a ref to the Smithsonian Institute. The Star Saloon isn't mentioned in the Donald book which I thought was the only ref, so I reverted because I thought you were adding info that's not in a ref. We're trying to get the article to FA, and that would have been a no-no. Sorry for all the hoopla. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 15:53, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello again, well I'm glad to hear (in a way) that the omission of the Lincoln stamp was an oversight and not an inconsiderate way to make room for a new image (life mask) or a vindictive act of exclusion. As for John Parker and other references, I am not quite clear about your concern here. If the existing sources do not mention Parker then I find this a little curious. On the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln page Parker is mentioned as he is on the Abraham Lincoln White House page. It is generally considered a good thing to have more than one reference about a particular topic, and I would think a reference that cites info' (Parker, etc) that was previously missing in the article would help in the effort to make the Lincoln article a FA. -- GWillHickers (talk) 17:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

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Lincoln copy edit

I have finished copy editing the article Abraham Lincoln, and I understand you want to try another FAC. I recommend a peer review prior to another FAC, just in case something was overlooked. Sound good? The Utahraptor^{Talk to me}/_{Contributions} 14:48, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Have you started the GA? I recall you were a bit skeptical about PR. Whatever you think, Pal. Check the userbox I added to my user page to let people know Lincoln is being pushed.) Abysenia! (From MASH)Carmarg4 (talk) 15:26, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Not yet, but I'll probably put it up in the next few days. I'm going to have more time to work on it starting the 26th. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Mind if I start the GAN? I've got plenty of time on my hands. The Utahraptor^{Talk to me}/_{Contributions} 16:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Sounds great. If you could provide a link to the review when it starts to Carmarg4 and I, that would be great too. I'll notify him of this discussion. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 00:22, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm done with Kennedy. I think Harding may be next after a break. I look forward to seeing how the GA goes and thank you for taking the lead on it. Cheers, PalCarmarg4 (talk) 12:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

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Save it until it's transcluded. :-) Access Denied ^{[FATAL ERROR]} 06:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not following it closely. I saw it a contributions list. Feel free to remove my comment. If the RfA comes down to one vote, also remind me to take a look. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 07:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

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I couldn't help but extend my greetings to you today after all the work you've done on AL.Carmarg4 (talk) 13:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't edit much anymore, but it's good that you're still around. Keep it up. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:06, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Pal, Are you out there? Just a note to say, "Hey" and tell you I just noticed that Abe made good article, I think back in Januray. (I had to move on - now working on Garfield.) Anyway, AL has apparently also now had a peer review and someone has re-nominated it for FA. God bless him. I can't imagine it getting any more scrutiny. I'm not sure how much I can put into it if they have another barrage of problems. Life goes on, you know. Hope you are well. Carmarg4 (talk) 12:58, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

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