User talk:PeoplesBarrister

I've created a wiki book from a number of articles and I would like to say that in some fashion and return to it to add or modify it with additional articles and links. This is not for publication, but for my own research purposes. I have no problem saving the book I created and downloading the saved PDF file, however, when I go back to Wikipedia and login there is no record of my prior books. QUESTIONS: How do I save a book in progress for access at a later time? How do I modify the format of a book? Why did one of my downloaded wiki books appear in an elegant though widely line spaced two column version and the table of contents included all the subdivisions of each article while two subsequent downloads appeared as a serial run of the articles with no breaks and a limited table of contents without identification of the subdivisions in each article? PeoplesBarrister (talk) 13:11, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, as far as I am aware, there is no way currently to save books on Wikipedia. I recommend you use a cloud hosting site to save the PDF files to be worked on later, if you want to access them from multiple devices as you infer. Cheers, Thanks, L235-Talk Ping when replying 18:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2024

Hello, I'm Panian513. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! Panian513 03:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I would like some guidance. I am using the Wikipedia article of Robert F Kennedy Jr as a model since I am also a public figure still active as an attorney with an extensive website at https://yannalaw.com.

I used references to Wikipedia articles that are under the common license just as information links such as "Harvard" in the Kennedy article. They were removed.

I have also referred to the official USPTO link to my patents as references. They are the ultimate source ofr information about the substance of a patent, yet they were challenged because they were "original" sources. I do not understand how a primary source such as the USPTO is not an appropriate citation.

I havde been trying to follow the guides, but I do not seem to understand them.

I have published oveer 1200 articldes and as two volume treatise and a college text/source book. The actual documents are posted on my website in full in their original form and unedited. Why can I not refer to them at that location? If they arde now out of print, how do I cite them.

I am sorry for the inconvenience, and I would appreciate any help you can provide. Thank you. PeoplesBarrister (talk) 23:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Victor Yannacone, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Panian513 20:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Victor Yannacone, you may be blocked from editing. Stop reincluding the "early life and education" section with no citations, it's important to include reliable sources when detailing a living person's life. Panian513 21:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright

Hello PeoplesBarrister! Your additions to Victor Yannacone have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, it's important to understand and adhere to guidelines about using information from sources to prevent copyright and plagiarism issues. Here are the key points:

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I have removed the Wikipedia general references. I am modeling my edits after the Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. page. PeoplesBarrister (talk) 21:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I have removed the Wikipedia general references. I am modeling my edits after the Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. page. PeoplesBarrister (talk) 21:03, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Please don't copy material from elsewhere online. Please don't edit the article about yourself.

Thank you for your interest in working on Wikipedia. There are a couple of problems with your submissions. You cannot post copyright material on Wikipedia even if you are the copyright holder or have their permission, unless special documentation is in place. That is because Wikipedia aims to be freely distributable and copyable by anyone, and all content must have the appropriate documentation in place before that can happen. Please see Wikipedia:donating copyrighted materials which explains how it works.

The second problem is conflict of interest. Writing or editing an article about yourself or a client is strongly discouraged, as it is difficult to maintain the required neutral point of view. According to our terms of use, paid editors and people editing on behalf of their employer are required to disclose their conflict of interest by posting a notice on their user page or talk page. I have placed some information about conflict of interest below. — Diannaa (talk) 11:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, PeoplesBarrister. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Victor Yannacone, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 11:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

September 2024

Your edit to Victor Yannacone has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for information on how to contribute your work appropriately. For legal reasons, Wikipedia strictly cannot host copyrighted text or images from print media or digital platforms without an appropriate and verifiable license. Contributions infringing on copyright will be removed. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. Last warning. You've been warned multiple times for this. You keep introducing violations to the article. Now we have to check the offline sources you've added. If you continue to add copyrighted material to the article, you WILL be blocked. The4lines |||| ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 02:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I do not have any idea what copyrighted material youo are talking about on my wikipedia page. I have been adding secondary sources as directed by oithder editors. Any quotations are less than a sentence. Your general instructions do not provide any specific help.

I have been trying to make corrections one sentence at a time waiting for an editor to step in after each correction or inset of new matter.

Please point me to an offending statement and let me try to correct it.

Thank you. PeoplesBarrister (talk) 03:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Gladly. All of this: Yannacone attended Syracuse University, New York University and Kalamazoo College without taking any required prequisites for the courses he took or getting a degree. Yannacone only earned one A — in Theory of Coaching Football. At the end of his junior year at Kalamazoo College, Yannacone grew disenchanted with medicine and enrolled at Brooklyn Law School. But law school also failed to gratify him and he barely graduated. Nonetheless, he passed the bar exam and went on to do graduate work at New York Law School, which happened to be around the corner from the downtown campus of Fordham University where he concurrently took a number of philosophy courses. was directly lifted from this [1], word for word. The fact you don't understand what you're doing is worrying to me. You must understand that you cannot just copy and paste from websites onto Wikipedia articles. The4lines |||| ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 23:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so very much for the clear and lucid explanation. I really appreciate it. Gil Rogin's Sports Illustrated artricle is the earliest national secondary source. Based on the corrections and guidelines from the two prior editors will this paragraph be appropriate

Yannacone attended Syracuse University, New York University and Kalamazoo College but never earned an undergraduate degree. His academic record was undistinguished with only one A in Theory of Coaching Football. At the end of his junior year at Kalamazoo College, Yannacone enrolled at Brooklyn Law School, from which he barely graduated. Nonetheless, he passed the New York State bar examination in February 1959, and went on to do graduate work at New York Law School and Fordham University. citing to the same article? PeoplesBarrister (talk) 22:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

We're heading in the right direction but I feel like it's still too close to the source. It follows the exact same structure while also starting some of the sentences the same (At the end of his junior year or Nonetheless). You must write in your own words completely. What I recommend is, read the source a couple of times and then take a quick break. Then come back and without looking at the source, write your paragraph. At the end you can check the source and fix any mistakes you made. The4lines |||| ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 23:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Than k you again for your kind and thoughtful advice. I have been using the RFK Jr article as a model. Following your directions, isa the following proper?

Yannacone was born on March 10, 1936 at French Hospital in Manhattan. His mother, Fortunata L. Yannacone, nee Speciale was the daughter of Antonio Speciale and Marietta Speciale (nee Russo) who had emigrated to the United States from Barcellona Pozzo di Gotto near Messina, Sicily in 1905. His father, Victor J. Yannacone was the son of Nicholas Yannaccone and Carmella Yannaccone, nee Roca, who had immigrated to the United States from Avellino in Italy. Yannacone was baptized a Catholic at St. Marks Church in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn.

He grew up in Brooklyn, Queens and, in 1945, the Yannacone family moved to Patchogue, on Long Island, NY where he graduated from St. Francis de Sales elementary school, attended Seton Hall High School and graduated from Port Jefferson High School (now Earl L. Vandermeulen High School) as Salutatorian of the Class of 1952. He attended Syracuse University, New York University, Kalamazoo College, and Fordham University, but never earned an undergraduate college degree. He earned a JD (Juris Doctor) degree from Brooklyn Law School in 1959 and did some graduate work at New York Law School. He passed the New York State Bar in March 1959 and was admitted to practice in New York on October 15, 1959. [citation to SI article]

There are primary sources for the Ellis Island immigration of his grandparents and his date of admission as an attorney. Should they be cited? The RFK Jr article contains a number of internal links to general Wikipedia articles on Harvard and the Kennedy family members. I thought links to Wikipedia articles were prohibited?

Thanks again for all your kind assistance. PeoplesBarrister (talk) 19:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, could you sent me a link to the SI article so I can check it against what you wrote? Secondly, while you do have to be careful with primary sources, I'm sure citing them in this case will be fine. Lastly, I'm not sure if I understand your last question. Do you mean internal links within articles like this or do you mean something else. The4lines |||| ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 23:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Ignore my last question. It is not really relevant at this time. The primary source problem aooears here:

==Early legal career==

Yannacone was admitted to the New York State Bar in October, 1959 and immediately began his career as a trial lawyer. In addition to trying workers compensation claims for injured workers and the victims of occupational diseases, he began to try personal-injury liability cases in the New York State Supreme Court and represent indigent criminal defendants referred by the NAACP and Court “pro bono'”.

In January, 1971, Yannacone and his father Victor J Yannacone established Yannacone & Yannacone, Professional Corporation. Victor J. Yannacone died in 1980 and Victor John Yannacone, jr. continues the firm as a solo practitioner, advocate, trial lawyer, and litigator. PeoplesBarrister (talk) 00:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

The SI paragraph looks good. I can't access the primary sources, but in this case, I see no problem by adding them. The4lines |||| ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 14:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you again for all your help. I really appreciate it. I am sorry to keep bothering you but I do want to get it right once and for all. The following is an example of a paragraph that has only primary sources. Can I post it?

== Patents and inventions ==

Yannacone has contributed to inventions and been awarded patents in dynamic infrared medical imaging, communications, data mining and analytics. He has also served as trial counsel in patent litigation.

The Infrared Imaging Breast Cancer Detection System for early detection of neoplastic processes in the human breast— breast cancer— and beneath the skin (malignant melanoma) combines high-resolution functional infrared imaging with analytical software and facilitates meta-analysis of the image database to identify “signatures” associated with physiological abnormalities in the breast and beneath the skin.

“System and method for identifying and classifying dynamic thermodynamic processes in mammals and discriminating between and among such processes: The Method of Integrals” 7,408,156, with images…ref>https://ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloadBasicPdf/7408156?requestToken=eyJzdWIiOiI3NDFkYjE0Yi0wZDE0LTRhYTEtYjgwOC00YmE4YTE3ZjkzNjQiLCJ2ZXIiOiI2YmQ4ZDJkZC1jM2U1LTRmMmUtOWMxNy03YjczZTY0ODQ4YWYiLCJleHAiOjB9</ref>

“Method and apparatus for high resolution dynamic digital infrared imaging: The Differential Method“,

Yannacone developed Data Mining and Analytics

Systems for dynamic data mining and distribution of the data collected from many sources in real time without regard for the form, type, and class of the data. It was originally intended to protect ships at sea and utilizes geofences to maintain a dynamic zone of concern surrounding the vessel or vehicle of interest. It permits a high order of accuracy in geolocation by dead reckoning when satellite connections are not available. This patent is fundamental to many commercial data mining systems.

“Collection and Distribution of Maritime Data”

"System and Method for Dynamic Data Mining", 8,332,087

In 1979, during the Agent Orange litigation, Victor Yannacone and his wife Carol A. Yannacone designed and helped build three relational databases — CHAOS (Case histories of Agent Orange Survivors), HOSPIT (Helpless Overmedicated Sick People In Trouble) and DOOM (Doctors Orders and Other Mistakes) — and a minicomputer based object oriented database management system (OODBMS). The relational database management system permitted rapid searching, sorting, and collecting data on individual veterans and associated their service in Southeast Asia at particular places, dates, and times with their individual physiological injuries and disease. PeoplesBarrister (talk) 21:54, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Again I can't access the source but you're really stretching my knowledge on this. I'm going to ping @DanCherek: who might have more knowledge on this than me. The4lines |||| ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 01:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Let me thank you again for your help and concern. I will await Mr. Cherek's instructions. PeoplesBarrister (talk) 01:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the late reply as I have been a little busy this weekend. If I'm understanding the above conversation correctly, you're wondering about the use of primary sources in the proposed section about patents and inventions that Yannacone contributed to. Typically our decisions about what the contents of an article should be are based on the extent of coverage on reliable sources, and because patent applications are not peer-reviewed, they're probably not a great source for claims about what the infrared breast imaging system is capable of, or how accurate the data mining methods are, etc. The final link you posted of the newspaper article about the Agent Orange databases is better because it seems like an independently-published article about the work that was written by someone else. The patent citations themselves being used for a statement like Yannacone has contributed to inventions and been awarded patents in dynamic infrared medical imaging, communications, data mining and analytics. is maybe borderline – someone might revert it on the basis of primary sourcing, I probably would just leave it alone personally, but for the descriptions of the systems themselves I would try to see if an independent source has discussed them.

Sorry about the long-winded reply... hope that helps at least a little bit. DanCherek (talk) 02:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your help and advice before I attempt to post the descriptive paragraphs on the Patents and inventions material, I will add secondary sources. I thought that the USPTO Examiners are the highest level of "peer" review with respect to patent applications. At least they think of themselves as such.

Thanks again for your help. PeoplesBarrister (talk) 04:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry about asking us for permission to post anything new, feel free to just add it to the article. I'll check in periodically. The4lines |||| ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 04:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again for all your help and thoughtful comments. When can the approved material be uploaded, and the copyright home lifted? In the future, could I check with you before posting anything new? PeoplesBarrister (talk) 20:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll remove it in a little bit. While we wait for DanCherek to answer your question about the primary sources, could you provide other links to the sources as they do not work. You're always welcome to ask any questions you may have. The4lines |||| ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 22:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)