User talk:PennyFrearPreston
December 2024
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Hello, PennyFrearPreston. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:
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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. CR (talk) 18:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi! This is Penny Frear from Preston's IT Team. Our page didn't contain correct information due to destructive edits/outdated sources, so we had to update some information. I have bean asked by the IT Deputy to update it, in a way which no biased information would be included. Thanks, Preston School Academy's IT Team. PennyFrearPreston (talk) 18:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I understand, but we have policies regarding the sourcing of information and conflicts of interest so the encyclopedia remains neutral and accurate. The website will need to be updated for the article to be updated, so that the information is verifiable - then, you should add a comment on the article's talk page using the edit COI template (in the curly brackets in my above message) requesting that the information be changed. Sorry if this seems a bit beaureaucratic, but we have the policies the way they are for a reason. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me! CR (talk) 18:46, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi! If it helps, I'm not in relation to (or have met) anybody included in this page, because Preston's IT Team is actually a separate organisation called J. Webb Technological Solutions, and they have hired us (non-compensated) to make changes to their page. I am just working on their behalf to create an unbiased page. Sorry for the inconvenience, is it OK if I revert the edits back to mine? Appreciated if so. Thanks, Penny Frear, J. Webb Technological Solutions. PennyFrearPreston (talk) 18:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not until the information can be verified. School articles are notorious for being vandalised, so we insist that changes like the name of the head must be verifiable before they are made. Once the schools website updates then fine, but until then it'll have to wait. Nthep (talk) 19:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm afraid as you are still doing it on behalf of the school it falls under the COI policy. In any case, the verifiability policies still stand - the website would need to be updated. Sorry for the inconvenience, but we do have to be strict on these things. Again, if you have any questions, feel free to ask. CR (talk) 19:05, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, if needed we could get you in contact with the headteacher, would that be OK?
- As you know, we are an educational site, and for parents/students to get in touch with us, this is a crucial part.
- If possible could you possibly make an edit to avoid bias?
- I completely understand and get what you mean, and maybe you making an edit would avoid bias.
- Thanks, Penny Frear, J. Webb Technological Solutions. PennyFrearPreston (talk) 19:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, unfortunately putting me in touch with the head wouldn't work. The issue is that, per our verifiability policy, we need to make sure that "people are able to check that information comes from a reliable source". It's all well and good me knowing that the information is correct, but the readers need to be able to check as well. This means it's got to be in a publically available source - so my email inbox wouldn't cut it. Sorry about this, but i'm afraid that unless the website is updated (or something to that effect), we can't do much about it within policy. CR (talk) 19:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Penny here, unfortunately we don't have access to edit the website, only one person really can, so what would be something 'to that effect'?
- (This is because we are not the IT Team, we are a separate organisation.) PennyFrearPreston (talk) 19:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- If there was some sort of article in another publication (maybe a local newspaper?) about the change or citing them as the new headteacher we'd be able to publish that, since that would also be a reliable and public source. CR (talk) 19:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- OK, we currently have at most the ability to make a Wikipedia page for the head, is that ok? PennyFrearPreston (talk) 19:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm afraid not. Because Wikipedia can be changed by anyone (and incorrect information can slip through the cracks), articles can't cite other Wikipedia articles, per Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I'm sorry, but if the independent sources aren't there to back it up then we simply can't put in the the article. CR (talk) 19:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- OK, we currently have at most the ability to make a Wikipedia page for the head, is that ok? PennyFrearPreston (talk) 19:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- If there was some sort of article in another publication (maybe a local newspaper?) about the change or citing them as the new headteacher we'd be able to publish that, since that would also be a reliable and public source. CR (talk) 19:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, unfortunately putting me in touch with the head wouldn't work. The issue is that, per our verifiability policy, we need to make sure that "people are able to check that information comes from a reliable source". It's all well and good me knowing that the information is correct, but the readers need to be able to check as well. This means it's got to be in a publically available source - so my email inbox wouldn't cut it. Sorry about this, but i'm afraid that unless the website is updated (or something to that effect), we can't do much about it within policy. CR (talk) 19:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi! If it helps, I'm not in relation to (or have met) anybody included in this page, because Preston's IT Team is actually a separate organisation called J. Webb Technological Solutions, and they have hired us (non-compensated) to make changes to their page. I am just working on their behalf to create an unbiased page. Sorry for the inconvenience, is it OK if I revert the edits back to mine? Appreciated if so. Thanks, Penny Frear, J. Webb Technological Solutions. PennyFrearPreston (talk) 18:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I understand, but we have policies regarding the sourcing of information and conflicts of interest so the encyclopedia remains neutral and accurate. The website will need to be updated for the article to be updated, so that the information is verifiable - then, you should add a comment on the article's talk page using the edit COI template (in the curly brackets in my above message) requesting that the information be changed. Sorry if this seems a bit beaureaucratic, but we have the policies the way they are for a reason. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me! CR (talk) 18:46, 5 December 2024 (UTC)