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Sir James Creed Meredith

I hope you find the couple of references I added in the Freemasonry section useful as examples of how references can and should be done. I used the button, clicked 'web' and entered the url in the field with the green arrows and clicked that icon. Try that in your sandbox and see how it works if you are unfamiliar with it. I'll help if I can with any questions you have. The quotation was put in by adding

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A tip: the article is now in pretty good shape except for lacking citations; you've worked really hard on it. I've been editing here long enough to know that adding good quality citations to items in reliable sources is now more important than polishing the text. Indeed it was always important. Other editors have a habit of deleting content that is not supported by citations. That's reasonable and expected. Sources need absolutely not be online sources. Printed material is absolutely fine, but the citation must be sufficient to take the reader who wishes to find it directly to the page. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Macaulay

Hi. I noticed your edits to James Macaulay. Unless you've got a good source for the bit about the clan and heraldry, I think that this paragraph has to be removed. Wikipedia articles aren't supposed to contain 'original research'. Statements are supposed to have good sources to back them up. So cite your sources. If you haven't got a source for something, then it really shouldn't be added into an article - that's how mistakes creep in.

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Golden Square Mile

You're doing excellent work on Golden Square Mile, I think. It's a pleasure to watch you at work. If you have any wiki-related questions, let me know, here. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:38, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shawn, thank you so much... I posted the following message below on your talk page, but I have not figured out how to 'talk' on wikipedia, so may have placed it incorrectly...

"Firstly, thank you so much for your positive words re the Golden Square Mile; very much appreciated (it's a prickly subject in need of a careful approach!) and extremely kind of you, thank you.

Secondly, I have not 'talked' on wikipedia before, so I'm slightly nervous I have put this in completely wrong the place! If I have, many apologies, and do let me know for next time, thank you!"

You have replied just fine, though when I post a comment on someone's talk page I keep a watch on it, so it's not necessary to reply in both places. Just one bit of advice for now: to sign your comments, you need only hit the "tilde" key four times, as in ~~~~. That'll automatically sign and date your comment. Signing in this manner is required here, as exchanges between editors can become hard to figure out, without it. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:27, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, just one problem: I see you've removed the maintenance tag I'd placed on the article, without addressing the problem. That's a no-no. See, WP:MOSBOLD states that bold font should only be used in certain cases. Bolding each and every one of the structures and former streets as you've done is overuse of bold, and directly contrary to our layout guidelines. Would you mind removing that formatting? Do you know how? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:32, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know if you like the image I've added for Meredith House. If so, please feel free to add more, to the other sections you've created, keeping in mind that we have guidelines against adding too many images. Also, I believe some of the external links for houses that you've added for images at Wikipedia and Wiki Commons may violate our guidelines, too, as these are actually internal links, but one problem at a time. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please arrange the images as you see fit, I'll sit back and let you continue to lead the way. Just make sure you check out the Wiki Commons for the best images, see here, for starters. That image of Vincent Meredith house is blurry and dark and there are much better ones in its Commons category. And you're right, it is best to include as many internal links as reasonably possible, thing is, you link internally and externally in 2 different ways. An internal link is created by two opposing square brackets, like so: [[ ]]. (An external link, as you know, takes just one pair of brackets [ ].) There's plenty more detail you can find out about, and we have "gadgets" that you can enable in your preferences tab to make wiki-mark up a bit easier, but that's it, in a nutshell. Please let me know if you have any further questions.--Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summaries

Hi again. Just one more little thing: when we make edits we are generally required to state something in the window marked "Edit summary," to describe what it is we've done. It's not necessary 100% of the time; when it's something minor you can just check the box "This is a minor edit." But please do start using these two features. thanks and keep up the great work! best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

George Caverhill House vs Galt

Why do you insist that it's Galt when both the Museum's website and the Wikipedia photo info identifies it as "George Caverhill's House"? Also, for the second time, please use edit summaries. Refusing to do so is very bad form, thanks. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Responses

In that case, don't you think it would be best to indicate the shared history for this house, as both Galt and Caverhill are both obviously connected to it? Not doing so will simply confuse other readers, like me, who click through to the Museum link and then see it associated with someone else entirely.

As for the Meredith image, it's not just a question of "lightness": the image you seem to prefer is so blurry and obscured so as to hide aspects of the home, that's something specifically addressed at Wikipedia:Image quality requirements. So no, I'm afraid I can't compromise on that when there are clearly better images readily available.

Finally, as you've perhaps noted I've begun to replace the inline links to McCord photo pages with references to reliable sources, which actually verify the claims made as to when homes were constructed, demolished, etc. -- details which do not appear on the McCord photo links. And made a few corrections in the process. You've clearly done a great deal of original research in this area, but I encourage you to support your statements about these properties with references.

I don't have the space here to walk you through it, but Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners can. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw your quick work on Galt/Caverhill. Excellent! Oh, and just one more thing (I hope I'm not bombarding you) we do place the references, that is to say, the subscript numbers for references, at the end of sentences or phrases, after punctuation, and not between. So it's period (or comma), then reference._[here] Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Some great edits but please do not mark them as minor unless they are genuinely minor. Thanks. --John (talk) 16:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello and thank you for your contributions. I see that you are still consistently marking significant edits as minor. This is very confusing for other editors. Since you are clearly editing constructively, I'm sure it's not your intention to mislead anybody.

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A barnstar for you!

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	Congratulations, Parsica, you've recently made your 1,000th edit to articles on English Wikipedia! Thank you for improving and expanding so many Victorian and Edwardian era biographies (I hope I got the terminology right there...), and for all your contributions to the encyclopedia. Keep up the great work! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 19:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Parsica (talk) 13:16, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Maison Alcan

Hi there. I've created a stub article for Maison Alcan. Feel free to have at it, if you like. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You made me laugh, I seem to have acquired a reputation with you! Thank you Shawn, and I hope you're keeping well Parsica (talk) 07:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And by the way, everything you wrote on Maison Alcan was news to me, and very interesting. Parsica (talk) 07:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to say that I'm greatly impressed by the work you've done on the Golden Square Mile! If ever you have time in your busy schedule, I was alternately wondering if you wanted to start the article on the Montreal Snow Shoe Club, which was a wonderful organization founded in the mid-19th century by Golden Square Milers, including many of the residents you've been documenting, I'm sure, and which conducted wonderful night winter hikes on Mt-Royal. There's a bit of info here, and some wonderful images here. Anyway, all the best, whatever you chose to do. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:58, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much Shawn, and I would love to. I will have to have a good old dig around, but will get on it! Parsica (talk) 13:03, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Shawn, as you can see I have made a start on the MSS, but I will keep adding to it as and when as there is much more information to gather - but I am very much enjoying it (and lots of fun pictures to put in), so thank you again! Parsica (talk) 11:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

James Johnston (1724-1800)

Good work on the James Johnston article. I noticed that you added a picture, File:James Johnston (1724-1800).JPG. You indicated that this was your own work, but I don't think that's right. It looks like it's probably contemporaneous with the subject. I recommend that you change the license to {{PD-Old}} and, if possible, indicate where you found the image. Pburka (talk) 00:45, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The picture belongs to me and I am not aware of another in existence. It is also unsigned so I do not know how else I could license it. Any thoughts? Parsica (talk) 07:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Artwork and photos are tricky. Just because you own a physical copy doesn't necessarily mean that you own the rights to distribute and reproduce it. But in this case it's not a problem. Because of its age you can just mark it as {{PD-Old}}. You should also explain in the description that it's from your personal collection. Pburka (talk) 00:49, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Parsica (talk) 08:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Montreal Snow Shoe Club

Hi again. If you add more photos to Commons category please note that I have corrected the name of the Commons category (and the main article) to Montreal Snow Shoe (two words) Club, in accordance with your use throughout the article text. I had had it the other way, but I'm sure yours is the right way, and it helps readers to be consistent. thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:37, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I saw the change and was grateful as had realised my mistake early on (MSSC, not MSC) - is there no way for someone like me to alter a title page if a mistake like that is made? Hope I am doing a good enough job so far (as is my way, I'm sure edits will continue for sometime until I am satisfied with it!)... There is only really one main source available to me about the MSSC (Becket's 1882 history), but plenty to sift through... Parsica (talk) 18:27, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Slight problem: The page on the MSSC seems to have gone odd. Perhaps you could log into it and see what I mean, or perhaps tell me it is fine which might mean a problem at my end. Let me know, thanks.

Parsica (talk) 18:42, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Looks fine to me. What are you seeing? As for moving pages, you need to apply for WP:MOVE permission to do this, and for that you need to be WP:AUTOCONFIRMed. I honestly can't recall where I requested that, though. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks. Just logged back in and has gone nack to normal. I thought I might have pressed something accidentally, thank you, sorry to bother you! Parsica (talk) 22:03, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Per our manual of style, MOS:SECTIONS, could you please remember to use Sentence case and not Title Case in the section headings? (unless it's for a proper noun, of course). Thank you, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Montreal Curling Club

Happy Canada Day. Just thought I'd point out a stub I created a while back for the Golden Square Mile based Royal Montreal Curling Club, which amazingly, predated the MSSC by more than three decades. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:49, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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H. Vincent Meredith Residence

Hi again. You state at Vincent Meredith that his former home is "today known for his wife as Lady Meredith House." However, its designation as a National Historic Site of Canada makes no mention of such a name, referring to it only H. Vincent Meredith Residence or H. Vincent Meredith Residence National Historic Site of Canada. Would you have a reliable source you can add to verify the Lady Meredith House name? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:25, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi shawn. McGill, the present owners, named it Lady Meredith House, as written on the placard outside and seen on various modern maps of Montreal. I'm away for a few weeks but will add this and more to his biography when back. Thanks Parsica (talk) 04:45, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Parsica! Thanks for your comments about my article on Ravenscrag on french wikipédia! I appreciate! About the english version, I think your gallery is just fine! Also, I take this occasion to review some things about the text with you: I'll check again, but I think that the mansion was donated to the RVH in 1940, not 1942, and the number of guests invited to the Ball given in honor of Lord Dufferin was indeed 400, but only 300 actually went to the party. Furthermore, I want to compliment you about your contributions on the Golden Square Mile's article, it's pretty good!!--Thomas131313 (talk) 21:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Palmes Family

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Some amazing work you have done on the Palmes Family. I was thinking, perhaps it might be right to include a bit more detail about the Malton Palmes and Ashwell Manor Palmes (main family seat for the Lindley Palmes's)

This caption could be of use. PS.jpg

Also I understand from Burkes http://www.burkespeerage.com/freesearchresults.aspx that Antony Bryan Palmes is now head of the family. He seems only to have had daughters but one has had 2 sons?

http://www.thepeerage.com/p52284.htm#i522840

With George Palmes's marriage to Margaret Isabella Lindsay, is it possible to include more about her lineage? I think she might be connected to the Earls of Crawford.

Yours,

Frenchtalkcity12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frenchtalkcity12 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your message, I'm very interested by a couple of things you mentioned and will reply properly hopefully today if not tomorrow. Thank you again, Parsica (talk) 07:41, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your message, I look forward to hearing your full response. Are you connected to the family in some way? Or just interesting in them from a historical angle?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frenchtalkcity12 (talk • contribs) 09:40, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also page 190 of this book has useful information http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0UCQl0ocbZMC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frenchtalkcity12 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, and thank you for your replies! Yes, my mother's great, great grandmother was a Palmes - a daughter of George (1776-1851) of Naburn and Margaret Lindsay - hence my interest in your interest on Margaret as I know next to nothing on her family, any notes you have I'd be grateful to see. I presume you are in some way connected to? I have only added a few notes from my existing notes on them, please of course feel free to add anything you know about the Malton and Ashwell Palmes', all I have garnered on them so far comes from Burkes. Thank you for your links: I oculdn't reach page 190 on the last one, but the others were very interesting - thank you. Looking forward to hearing from you, and thank you so much again, Parsica (talk) 10:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frenchtalkcity12 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply, which daughter, the one who married General Brotherton's son? Also I'm not sure that the Strickland Baronets were seated at Sizergh Castle, I believe Boynton Hall is their seat? The family still exist and their archive might be able to provide clarification? I have read some sources too which suggest that the Eure Barony (in abeyance) can be claimed by the head of the Naburn branch. Have you come across this too?

Also I'm interested to hear how you found info about Lindley Hall? I knew the family were seated there but have not heard anything about the house itself. I understand there was a lot of gambling and loss of property on the Naburn side, in fact George Palmes had to reduce much of the estates. Again the Ashwell Branch lost a great amount in the civil war and there was a fraud in the Exchequer too. http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/ gives quite a bit of information about individual family members.

The Lindsay family may have a connection to this one, http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/John_Lindsay_(admiral), I note that his sister was also called Margaret - perhaps not a coincidence. Also look at http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Dido_Elizabeth_Belle. In the 'Late life' section is has the following: 'When Dido's father died without legitimate heirs in 1788 he left £1000 to a son, and £1000 to his other illegitimate daughter, Elizabeth Lindsay or Palmer (born c. 1765) who lived in Scotland, asking his wife Mary to take care of her. Mary Lindsay's will does not mention Dido or Elizabeth Lindsay. Lord Mansfield left Dido £500 as an outright sum and a £100 annuity in his will, and officially confirmed her freedom.[3]'

I know William Lindsay was of Oatlands, near Glasgow, so the location is right.

Yours — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frenchtalkcity12 (talk • contribs) 11:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just found out a bit about Lindley Hall, turns out a bit of it survives! http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=O5EZAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT277&lpg=PT277&dq=Lindley+Hall+palmes&source=bl&ots=kJdXHhw8ZU&sig=C4bMsH3UwUsNFk1mlC3v1MjrmhY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mMH3UZmGPMKk0QW0oYGABQ&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Lindley%20Hall%20palmes&f=false

Yours — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frenchtalkcity12 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great information, thank you, you are far better informed than I! You didn't mention if you are related or interested? If it is through interest, may I ask how that comes to be? I will follow up on all your notes, htough I was particularly amused to see the connection to Dido Belle/the Lindsays... General Archibald Campbell of Inverneill (who is also on wikipedia) was the brother of another of my mother's ancestors. Her ancestor, Willoughby Harcourt Carter (also on wikipedia) was the son on his mother's side of the Campbells of Inverneill and it was him who married Eliza Palmes, one of George's daughters. Thank you so much again, I am fascinated to look into/hear more about all the stories you have mentioned. Do you have an email I can contact you on out of the public eye? Parsica (talk) 17:12, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure

drop me a line on frenchtalkcity12@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frenchtalkcity12 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More on Ashwell Palmes's http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=V0EjAQAAMAAJ&pg=PP7&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false

Please drop me an email when you have a moment.

Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frenchtalkcity12 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/edmund-bogg/two-thousand-miles-in-wharfedale-a-descriptive-account-of-the-history-antiquit-ggo/page-33-two-thousand-miles-in-wharfedale-a-descriptive-account-of-the-history-antiquit-ggo.shtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frenchtalkcity12 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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