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Happy editing! — Diannaa (talk) 13:19, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Copying licensed material requires attribution

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ANAs, ANAEs

Looking at your source [1]... is the only real difference the fact that the Shandong samples should be included in the list of ANAs (and in the map consequently)? I have not seen Shandong mentioned much in the literature: is it reliable? पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, don't only read my source but also the first source that was already there. Ancient Northeast Asian doesn't stand for hunter-gatherers from the Baikal to the Far-East Russian region at all, it's an imaginary definition that contradicts with the references and that is completely off the mark. It actually includes the whole northern half of East Asia.

Modern-day Northeast Asian popualtions includes Tungusic, Mongolians, Nivkh, Turkic as well as Han Chinese, Korean and Japanese populations...

Onche de Bougnadée (talk) 15:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect, ANEA is a different and broader concept, not a single ancestry, but rather including Amur ancestry (ANA), Liao River ancestry, and Yellow River ancestry (although Yellow River includes some ASEA ancestry too). I just added the clarification that our article refers specifically to Amur ancestry. It does not cover Liao river or Yellow river ancestries. Please don't make misleading edits based on personal interpretations. You may discuss a renaming of the article, but I don't think this is necessary at all.Wikiuser1314 (talk) 15:17, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I don't agree at all.

You are yourself confusing the concepts of Amur ancestry and ANA/ANEA that are completely unrelated and based on your own interpretation. The article clearly used the concept of ANEA by using the "Human evolutionary history in Eastern Eurasia using insights from ancient DNA" study from 2020 as its first and primary source to define ANA. I wouldn't call this "personal interpretation" but rather common sense.

Therefore, a new article about Amur ancestry should be created.

Onche de Bougnadée (talk) 15:24, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

No..., see "DNA analysis divided the four Shichengzi samples into two groups, with one group primarily harboring the ancient Northeast Asian (ANA) related ancestry, while the other showed a dominant Late Neolithic Yellow River (YR_LN) related ancestry." ANA is distinct from the broader ANEA. No need to create a new article, rather a clarification on the ANEA. ANA is differentiated from ANEA or Yellow River ancestry, another example:"These three groups have a similar genetic profile, deriving ~80% of their ancestry from a gene pool related to the Middle Neolithic individuals of the Yangshao culture sites of Wanggou and Xiaowu in the Central Plain (ca. 4000-3000 BCE; YR_MN) and the remaining ~20% from the Ancient Northeast Asian (ANA) gene pool related to Neolithic-era hunter-gatherers from the Devil’s Gate Cave site of the Russian Far East (“DevilsCave_EN”)28,32."-Wikiuser1314 (talk) 15:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

So the issue was the article itself that merged ANEA and ANA concepts.

A new article would be better imo, and the passage "They are inferred to have diverged from Ancient East Asians about 20kya ago," should be deleted since it has nothing to do with ANA. Onche de Bougnadée (talk) 15:41, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Onche de Bougnadée and Wikiuser1314:I have tried to start the Ancient Northern East Asian (ANEA) article. You are welcome to improve! पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 04:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I would like to add something. Without regard to the proposed linguistic theory in these papers that is controversial, it has been suggested that the Western Liao River farmers were actually also of Amur ancestry and that they gradually received Yellow River gene flow over time.

The boundaries between the different ANEA sub-groups seem to be blurred. Onche de Bougnadée (talk) 03:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC) Onche de Bougnadée (talk) 03:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)