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This page is an archive of the proposal and request for comment discussions for changing the bottom of the main page from default headings to styled headings which match the rest of the page.

The archive of the proposal discussion can be found here and the request for comment archive is be located here.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Turn the default headings at the bottom into styled headings, to match the rest of the page

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Main page: Talk:Main Page/Archive 192 § Turn the default headings at the bottom into styled headings, to match the rest of the page

I made a mockup of an alternate Main Page in my userspace: User:Nixinova/Main Page. This is what the bottom of the page looks like:

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(I replaced the <h2/>s with <h3/>s so the contents won't get messed up)

I just used orange as an example (edit: please note I said *example*) but that could be any colour. I think that this looks much better than default ==headings== which have been on the main page for over almost two decades now. Wikipedia is now one of the biggest websites on the internet and it should look professional. Feel free to suggest any changes to this but I do think that this would be very beneficial.  Nixinova  T  C  05:47, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it looks worse, personally. The extra frame isn't needed and just causes color clashing. We're not making ourselves look more professional by doing this.--WaltCip (talk) 12:58, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I agree with the concept since the lower sections look like they were added as an afterthought rather than flowing with the design. That being said, I feel that it has been implemented in a way designed to bring out all its cons. I would prefer a simple #f6f6f6 background for the headings with out any border(not even the defaults)
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103.215.54.53 (talk) 15:54, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That looks nice too. I just want anything to replace what is currently on the Main Page.  Nixinova  T  C  03:09, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think the second one fits much better with the first half of the current page too, there shouldn't be that style divide between them. --Jessietail (talk) 14:26, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm usually sceptical of attempts to redesign parts of the MP, but was pleasantly surprised to discover that this second example looks rather good and would fit with the existing design of other sections. Is the code behind it the same as the other section headings? That would ease compatibility/testing concerns. Modest Genius talk 17:17, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Modest Genius-Yes122.163.32.8 (talk) 08:18, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I like the frame being there on the bottom, just like the other sections - don't really care for the orange-y color. — xaosflux Talk 15:43, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have created an implementation of the idea here.Nixinova, if you really want to change the main page you need to create (what you people all call a "Rfc") to generate consensus. Only then will the admins of the site change the main page.--103.215.54.53 (talk) 03:01, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The spacing between boxes and the text style of the "headers" should match that of the other sections but otherwise yeah that looks like a good improvement so far. --Jessietail (talk) 05:32, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the spacing needs to be fixed, and the header fonts need to match the rest of the page, but I really like this proposal. I think that the current header style needs to be updated, and this idea is a really good one. --haha169 (talk) 05:15, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well I implemented the feedback here103.215.54.53 (talk) 07:43, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your hard work! That looks a lot better. I hope someone with a better understanding of Wikipedia's processes and any historical discussions on this topic can bring this up for comment to help build consensus for a Main Page redesign.--haha169 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I made a slight alteration to your second implementation by adding a border around the headers to match the one found around the "Welcome to Wikipedia" box. Sample here. --haha169 (talk) 08:53, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I also think that adding the frame at the bottom would make it look better. The use of headers right now just stands out from the rest of the page. SemiHypercube (talk) 20:35, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree; the new design looks better; in the previous the bottom part just looks out of place Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.155.2 (talk) 09:59, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion continues at #Request for Comment.  Nixinova  T  C  22:20, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Comment

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Main page: Talk:Main Page/Archive 192 § Request for Comment

Clear consensus in checkY favor of the redesign proposal.No foreseeable grounds of opposition and it's snowing.....Thankfully,~ Winged BladesGodric 05:08, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

The above Main Page redesign proposal (previous discussion here, this is my first RfC so I don't know if the previous discussion will be transcluded) made by @Nixinova: with some adjustments by @103.215.54.53: and myself have generated a bit of traction. I'd like to post a formal RfC in order to gain some sort of consensus about whether or not this redesign proposal should be implemented, or at least generate some discussion on any possible alternatives. --haha169 (talk) 02:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the proposed main page redesign: Permalink/843614703--haha169 (talk) 02:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above but moved to its own page: User:Nixinova/Main Page.  Nixinova  T  C  22:41, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The redesign with just the changed sections: User:Nixinova/Main Page/Transclusion.  Nixinova  T  C  22:34, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The proposal is just changing the bottom of the main page from default headings to styled headings which match the rest of the page. And I used orange as an example; I think the grey would work better.  Nixinova  T  C  22:25, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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I think Ahecht looked at the wrong link(the orange and purple one). The correct link is here or here(for only the redesigned sections). As far as I know grey does not affect the color-blind users or else most of the Wikimedia interface would have been unusable110.227.70.112 (talk) 02:17, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, does anyone remember the horrified opposition to suggestions that images should have captions? All kinds of silly objections raised and persisted in? And now it's been done, and the improvement realised, what was all the fuss about? If only someone could learn the lesson and apply it to wider design issues. 86.191.146.125 (talk) 02:08, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There's a difference between content (e.g. the picture captions, which are great) and style, which is entirely subjective. One person's unliked pastel headings are another's clear-and-legible design. The supposition that because something has been around for a while it needs changing is a false one. Bazza (talk) 10:11, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What a lot of rubbish. People who cannot see that boxy pastel headings are shitty style in 2018 should have no sway here. 86.191.155.52 (talk) 00:13, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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  • The current design of the main page looks as if the lower sections were added as an after-thought rather than flowing with the design. This change seeks to remedy exactly that. The default headers in the lower section have been replaced by grey headers and a border has been added around the lower sections. All this has been done keeping in mind the aesthetics of the design as a whole. The rest of the main page remains unaltered, untouched. Most of the code has been replicated from other parts of the main page and thus is proven to be compatible with a large number of devices. I believe this a small step towards making the Main Page of the world's fifth most busiest website better in terms of looks.122.163.11.63 (talk) 15:38, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This RfC would probably go more smoothly if the introductory paragraph gave a brief indication of what changed in the updated design and why, rather than hoping editors will go off and read the discussion from almost two weeks ago and which will archived imminently. Modest Genius talk 18:01, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a rundown somewhere of the changes, looks the same to me. Thanks, cinco de L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 00:27, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I almost feel this kind of subtle change is something that could have been handled and implemented through edit fully-protected request, but I suppose it is better to be on the safe side. No opinion on this either way. Alex Shih (talk) 12:32, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]


@Winged Blades of Godric: I concur with the outcome, however, BADNAC #4 applies; you can't implement the change because you can't edit a fully protected page. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 08:04, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Godsy:-Nah.....I hardly implement the outcomes of RFC closed by myself.Anyways, make an edit-request an point to the RFC.As simple as that:)

Can an interested admin please implement the consensus of the Rfc and update related documentation — FR + 09:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done; I assume that Permalink/843614703 is the markup that was wanted. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:12, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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