User talk:Nev1/Archives/January–March 2008

No doubt about this one...

		The WikiProject Greater Manchester Award of Merit
		For your tireless and high quality contributions to Greater Manchester articles this last month or so (if not beyond!)... You've worked some powerful magic on a great many articles, and I thank you on behalf of the whole project! -- Jza84 · (talk) 02:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure you know which articles this really relates to, but some of your work particularly to Trafford and Grade I listed buildings in Greater Manchester have been truly magnificant, if not envious! Great stuff, please keep it up! -- Jza84 · (talk) 02:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, I intend to :) Nev1 (talk) 02:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Slough Trading Estate and Trafford Park

I will try to follow up my sources for Slough's claim to first existence as a trading estate - but a house move means that Maxwell Fraser and the rest of my Slough collection is in storage at the moment. I have a vague recollection (which therefore cannot be sourced) that the Slough line is that Slough TE was developed as one project in single ownership whereas Trafford Park is a number of schemes run together. I'll try to check this when I have my sources to hand. In the meantime, I will have no problem if you amend the Slough TE article to reflect Trafford's disputed claim.

Cheers

Grblundell (talk) 10:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

January Newsletter, Issue IV

Delivered on January 5th, 2008 by Jza84. If you do not wish to receive the newsletter, please add two *'s by your username on the Project Mainpage.

Altrincham FA

Congratulations! (Indeed am hoping for the same with Wormshill). I see a couple of points were left outstanding when the FAC closed—it might be nice to complete the edits as they could add something to the final piece however, as it stands it's a wonderful record of the town. Good job. Dick G (talk) 22:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations indeed, on a fantastic effort. You've set a standard for the rest of the GM town articles to try and match. There was a moment when I thought you might not make it, but you stuck at it. Brilliant! --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

A few nervous moments, certainly. I should have asked for a peer review first but I was a bit impatient, fortunately the article was strong enough to stand being beaten into shape and is certainly a lot better now than before. A fine effort from everyone involved I think :) Nev1 (talk) 23:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Stretford

You're the FA expert now, so what do you think. Is Stretford worth a punt do you think? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Now that I've finished spluttering, my answer is yes! Nev1 (talk) 00:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Has ref 36 actually been used, because I can't see the information in the link in the article. Nev1 (talk) 00:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't seem like it has. I'll double check that and delete it if it hasn't. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Pictures from Flickr

Hello there!

Flickr is a bit of a gift and a curse really. Frankly it's a pain in the ass. Geograph.org.uk's content is always fine to use on Wikipedia, but the quality is usually poor compared with that on Flickr.

The trouble with Flickr is that it automatically sets uploaded files to copyright, often without the uploader's full understanding. Those that have grasped Creative Commons also seem to use the creative commons licences that are not allowed on WikiCommons. This guide is quite helpful in explaining some of the issues.

That said, that image isn't allowed on Wikipedia because it's tagged with a "non-commercial" Creative Commons licence. Stupid I know. The only way around it really is to e-mail the user directly, and ask if they'd be so kind to change the licencing. It's worked for me in the past, especially when I've mentioned that they're credited as the author and a link could be provided to their profile!

Does that help at all? -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and of course... Massive congratulations on Altrincham! I know only too well from experience this is no easy feat you've just achieved! You're one of the pros now though, we'll be looking to you for pointers for ever more! Well done though, it's a great article. -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Definately helpful thanks. I've tried to avoid uploading images in the past unless I take them to avoid headaches, but thought Flickr might be worth checking out. Nev1 (talk) 01:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I have a user account on Flickr, purely for the purposes of probing uploaders to change their licencing! If you want me to approach some of the photographers, feel free to give me a nudge and I'll get this done. -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

In that case, I'm going to nudge you now. I've been having a look through for pictures under CC and found two good ones. The one I mentioned before and this one to replace the image in Hartshead Pike. The second one isn't so important, but I think it'd be good if we could use the first one. Nev1 (talk) 02:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

My bed is calling but I will try to do this tomorrow though! There are loads of great photos there if one is prepared to sift through. For a long while now I've thought that our project needs a pro/semipro-photographer to help us out. Hopefully we'll get a positive response on these photos though! -- Jza84 · (talk) 02:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I've sent a note about these pictures, and hopefully we'll recieve something soon. Regarding Rochdale Castle - I've never heard of it before! I knew Castleton was (obviously) once site of a castle however. One thing though, the map seems to point to Bury rather than Rochdale. Am I right in presuming this is an error? -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, don't know how that happened, the only reason I knew it was on the wrong side of the river is because I looked at the map. Perhaps I shouldn't include every castle in Greater Manchester under places of interest, but there aren't many and I think they're pretty interesting :) Nev1 (talk) 01:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree it's quite interesting. Certainly one doesn't think of castles being in Greater Manchester! Furthermore, South East Lancs and North East Cheshire is well documented for having been one of the most thinly populated, bleak and banal places in England throughout the ages with little history. I'm just keen Greater Manchester is having some work done on it! -- Jza84 · (talk) 03:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 10 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bury Castle, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 20:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

St Thomas' Church, Stockport

Hello there. Arrowsmith (already cited) gives the start date as 1822. I'd weave it in, but I'm a bit pooped tonight. Regards, Mr Stephen (talk) 00:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Peterborough local elections

Cheers for your support. I'm going to take to GAR, if you want to comment there. Chrisieboy (talk) 17:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Once the article is up at GAR I'll chip in my thoughts. Is there a wikiproject covering the article? Nev1 (talk) 17:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

City of Salford

I've noticed all the excellent work that you've done on the City of Salford article. Well done! GRB1972 (talk) 22:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm just doing the easy stuff really, working from statistics and so on. What it needs is someone who knows the area better. Nev1 (talk) 22:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

A small point

Adding further images to the Grade I listed buildings in Greater Manchester article, while there looks to be space for it to those of us who aren't viewing wikipedia on postage stamp sized screens, may just give some FLC reviewers another reason to strongly oppose, because it produces too much white space at the bottom of the screen (the thumbnails are a fixed size, they don't resize). Just though I'd mention it. ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Of course, thanks for the warning. Nev1 (talk) 20:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Beeston Castle

Do you think it would be appropriate to use the historic building infobox for the Beeston Castle article? As in Wardley Hall? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It looks good and provides more information; I'd only been using the map because it's unclear where the castle is if you're not familiar with the area and castles don't have their own infobox. I think it will be worth using on (other) articles encompassed by Grade I LB in Greater Manchester. Nev1 (talk) 23:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't mention Grade I listed buildings in Greater Manchester to me. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I know what you mean, it feels like we're being messed around. They should do list GAs. :-( Nev1 (talk) 23:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

That's a well-written, well-presented and well-referenced article that can stand comparison with any FL. There has been some good feedback that has definitely improved the article, but I've grown tired of the "I don't like it" opposes. I don't like stupidity, intransigence, and wilfull ignorance. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the infoboxes here, and especially on Halton Castle - it gives this a good "top". And thanks for the interest you are taking in Cheshire articles; we need all the help we can get. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I see that your persevarance paid off with that list of buildings. Well done! --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Walkerwood Reservoir

Thanks for that. Phon123 (talk) 22:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I've had a rough time uploading images before and know those messages can get annoying. Nev1 (talk) 22:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Resizing image

Sorry, I missed your comment for a moment!... That's no problem. Leave it with me and I should have it done within the next 24 hours, if not earlier. -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

 Done Now found at Image:Trafford MBC.png. Also wondered if Trafford has any Twin towns? I've been adding tables about these to GM boroughs (eg City of Salford), using a technique used on London and New York City. -- Jza84 · (talk) 15:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'd noticed that most other boroughs have twin towns, which I actually found a bit odd as they're boroughs not towns. Anyway, a search of the Trafford.gov.uk website (with their own search engine and Google) hasn't given any results for twins towns so there probably aren't any. Nev1 (talk) 15:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems that twinning arrangements were altered in 1974 according to the new districts and boroughs. Whether this was statutory or simiply as an indirect consequence of the LGA72, I'm not really too sure. I've tried to make this clear in the tables. Anyway, I hope the new png crest works out ok. -- Jza84 · (talk) 15:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Trafford FAC

Hi, I've put a few comments on the FAC for Trafford but can I just ask one question outside of the FAC forum - is Nev1 the same as the author used in many of the references eg Dr Mike Nevell? If so there may be the risk of accusations of Conflict of interest.— Rod ^talk 19:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm aware that it may seem a bit close to 'Nev', but I started using the books after I joined wikipedia. Honest gov. Nev1 (talk) 19:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification & all the work you've done on the Trafford FAC - I've now supported & wish you luck.— Rod ^talk 22:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for your help and suggestions, it's improved the article a lot. I'd run out of ideas and it definitely needed a fresh pair of eyes. Nev1 (talk) 22:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Grade II*

Ah right, I didn't see the asterisk :) I should pay more attention.

Perhaps we could use your II* page as a template for a II page? Parrot of Doom (talk) 15:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I see you've started another list. I'm afraid I haven't time to do much editing this weekend but you may find this link useful. There are 14 grade II* buildings in Salford, you can download a pdf list from the link. And I didn't notice the * at first either :-) Richerman (talk) 23:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, it's a lot easier when you've got a list to work from. Sadly other boroughs aren't so considerate. Nev1 (talk) 23:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Well done

On 24 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Castles in Greater Manchester, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Victuallers (talk) 16:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

March Newsletter, Issue V

Delivered on March 8th, 2008 by Jza84. If you do not wish to receive the newsletter, please add two *'s by your username on the Project Mainpage.

re: Trafford

Congratulations on the FA recognition. I appreciate the extra explanation and it is clearer to me now. If readers seek additional definition or clarification, they should be following the wikilinks about the types of localities anyway. Keep up the great work! --Laser brain (talk) 04:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Buckton Castle GA

Congrats on getting Buckton Castle accepted as a GA. It does show that short(ish) articles can get there too. Cheers. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Knighton, Powys

Thanks for your help and I am onto it. Editors! Just me I am afraid. --MJB (talk) 16:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Castles in Greater Manchester.PNG

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading Image:Castles in Greater Manchester.PNG. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 22:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I put a {{PD-Self}} licence on this. Feel free to amend as appropriate. -- Jza84 · (talk) 00:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Deva Victrix

I wish you luck with this GA nomination.

I've had a quick look through and I think there's a serious problem with the metric-imperial conversions, which could stall the review. Sometimes they're metric-imperial, sometimes they're imperial-metric, sometimes there's no conversion at all. The number of decimal places should match as well. For instance, not 2.45 metres (8.0 ft) but 2.45 metres (8.04 ft). Tons really need to be converted to metric tonnes as well. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that I hadn't noticed, I thought I'd sorted it out as I went along; I'll see too it asap. Did you notice anything else? I'm more interested in if it's interesting and well written, everything else is polish. Nev1 (talk) 01:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It's certainly interesting, but there are a few problems with the writing. For instance: "Once the Legio XX Valeria Victrix were stationed at Deva they began to rebuild, first in timber again and then by the end of the first century they started to be constructed in stone." So the Legio XX Valeria Victrix was constructed in stone?

I'm reluctant though to offer your GA reviewer a rod to beat you with. ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Murrays' Mills

On 29 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Murrays' Mills, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 21:25, 29 March 2008 (UTC)