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RM

How long do you think this pageviews trend that I pointed out should continue for before it's clear that the racing driver is the primary topic? 3 months? The RSs and wikilinks are already in the racing driver's favour; no one even disputed that. Undiscussed controversial moves should not be rewarded and I was at a WP:STATUSQUO disadvantage from the start. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 14:21, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

NBA player categories

Are added after the player appears in a game for a team, not when they are traded. I removed these from Bryn Forbes and Juancho Hernangómez but please do not add these if updating future trades or signings. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 23:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the note. I'll refrain from doing so. Natg 19 (talk) 23:50, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Tata Steel Chess Tournament 2022

Hello, If you will look at the Hebrew article, you will see that you can play all the games (and add comments) within the Wikipedia. I know that it is in Hebrew, but I am sure you will find the way to see it. Enjoy!--Yoavd (talk) 11:18, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Elam Ending

Hi there. Normally I would have returned the redirect and asked for a REVDEL, as this seems to be a copyright violation of this site. But you're such an experienced editor I thought I'd reach out and see if you copied it from somewhere else within WP? Here's the Earwig report. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:52, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Onel5969: thanks for the benefit of the doubt. I did copy a majority of the content from Wikipedia - from The_Basketball_Tournament#Elam_Ending. Sorry for not attributing the copy source. I did put a note on the talk page, but didn't put it in the initial edit summary. Natg 19 (talk) 23:08, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

No worries, I added the attribution. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Mike G Page nominated for deletion

Hi Natg 19, I work with Odd Future and Mike G. I'm trying to figure out what can be done to restore Mike G's wikipedia page, rather than having it redirect to Odd Future. He has had a successful solo career on his own, and with multiple notable project releases and an upcoming album, it is imperative that his original page is restored. Please let me know what can be done to resolve this. Thanks!

Kenyasaintclair (talk) 14:21, 6 February 2022 (UTC)Kenyasaintclair

Hi @Kenyasaintclair:, are there references about Mike G that show that he has had a solo career on his own? It appears that he is mainly known as being a member of Odd Future. Natg 19 (talk) 23:19, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Minor barnstar
	For correcting links on Template:Former monarchies Italian peninsula. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 07:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

James Harden is on the 76ers

Since you revert James Harden to the nets here is proof that the trade really happened Sources: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33260613/brooklyn-nets-trade-james-harden-philadelphia-76ers-ben-simmons-seth-curry-andre-drummond-sources-say?platform=amp Jaydenstyy (talk) 22:02, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I am not saying that the "trade did not happen". However, per consensus policy here at Wikipedia, we do not report on trades until they are confirmed and officially announced by the teams involved: WP:SPORTSTRANS. Please wait until the trades are announced by the team. Natg 19 (talk) 22:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Chronological list of men's major golf champions

Hi. I have reverted your move of the Chronological list of men's major golf champions as it is not uncontroversial due to the related (and similarly named to your suggestion) List of men's major championships winning golfers. The latter is may in fact be a better candidate for your suggested article title. If you wish to open a requested move discussion, both articles should probably be considered together. Best, _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 02:55, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, that does make sense. I'll consider a multi page RM. Natg 19 (talk) 03:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

c/e and tag review request

Greetings @ Natg 19

1) Do you take c/e and tag review request? I was looking for c/e and tag review for this draft article where in I have tried to improve the draft content as per feed back received on talk page and tags.

2) One more different request: In brief: Requesting inputs for an 'encyclopedic' article Draft:Wikipedia tags

Longer: Though I have worked very less on it up till now encyclopedic philosophy is part of my core encyclopedic interest and also work out to find information and knowledge gaps in my area of interest and promote articles and Drafts for expansion and coincidentally I had come across Wikipedia tags, one of long back deleted article of yours. May be your intent to write in mainspace then may be different but over a period of time looking at Google scholar the 'encyclopedic' topic article seems to have reasonable number of credible academic sources by now. Hence wish to have your inputs.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 06:52, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bookku, I am not sure exactly what you are asking. But I do not usually do reviews for articles. Natg 19 (talk) 06:55, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Norwegian First Division#Requested move 11 March 2022

Hi Natg 19, you may wish to retract your close of the RM as it reads too much like a WP:SUPERVOTE. "First division" is not a mistranslation of Eliteserien, which would obviously translate as "elite series". In some sources, it has been ambiguously referred to as the "first division" and this is the only instance where editors have questioned the evidence. However, the RM is not just about moving the first division article title, nor is the evidence presented confined to this. You would state: ... are translated titles of the leagues, and are not the actual "first", "second", etc. tiers. Who has said they are translations? Yes, these are the names for the tiers. Nobody has suggested or agued that they aren't. The question to resolve, is whether they are to be capitalised as if they are "proper" noun/names and on this question; an "opinion" carries little weight (not a !vote). "First division" in sources seems to refer the "real" first division ... The statement offered in discussion is that "most" of the news sources might be referring (ambiguously) to the elite division as the first division but they do not address how the "first division" is capitalised in sources. It casts doubt as to the usefulness of evidence based on searching "first division" to resolve the issue but other evidence for other divisions has been offered and no doubt has been suggested there. You appear to be saying that, because the numbering of the divisions does not correspond to their tier in the league, they are proper noun/names and should be capitalised. Yet, I can't see where such an argument has been proposed in the comments Sorry, but the rationale given for your close appears to WP:CHERRYPICK particular "bits" of the comments to the point of expressing a POV and the appearance of a supervote. Cinderella157 (talk) 11:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Sure, I have retracted my close and will let an admin close it. And perhaps my closure reason was poorly explained. But I don't see how there is a consensus for moving. Though consensus is not a vote, most of the people who weighed in on the discussion were against moving, with the reasons that I used - using "First Division", etc is simply a translation of "1. divisjon", "2. divisjon", etc, and thus should be treated as proper names. There is the other issue that many editors mentioned - these should not be genericized, as they are not the actual first, second, etc tiers of the football pyramid, and would cause confusion or be inconsistent with other football-related articles. Natg 19 (talk) 16:53, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cinderella157:, I originally retracted my close, but it seems like @Joseph2302: undid my "retraction". Do you want to take this to move review? Natg 19 (talk) 17:17, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I self-reverted, was my mistake (I wrongly thought you'd deleted the whole RM thread, rather than just your close. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:22, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Natg 19, thankyou. I was not arguing what the outcome should be but that there were issues with the rationale of your close, which is even more apparent in your comment above. Norwegian capitalises proper nouns but it does not capitalise "1. divisjon" etc. Hence, it is non sequitur to argue that they translate to a capitalised form on the basis they are considered proper non/names. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:06, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Levi Wallace (disambiguation)

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Levi Wallace (American football) has been moved to Levi Wallace, making this an unnecessary WP:ONEOTHER DAB.

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@Tamzin I agree with this, thanks. Natg 19 (talk) 02:29, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

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Carignano, Piedmont

Everything has a reason to exist. You probably haven’t seen my page List of Frazioni in the Metropolitan City of Genoa It has a list of villages and one of them goes by the same name. The article will consists of some detail such as poulation, location and elevation. Thus there’s another settlement called carignano that will have an article or redirect which leads to some sort of information, so please don’t move the page. N1TH Music (talk) 07:38, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@N1TH Music please reply on the discussion at Carignano, Piedmont. I was just informing you that there is a discussion there. Natg 19 (talk) 07:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

AFD Closures

Hello, Natg 19,

Please do not close non-unanimous AFD discussions early. As a NAC closer, any closures that could be seen as controversial are likely to be contested at Deletion review which you really, really don't want. At least for me, it's always been an unpleasant experience to be brought to Deletion review. Please let discussions run a full week, there's really no good reason to close them a day sooner unless it's a clear Speedy Keep. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Liz: are there specific AFDs that you are referring to? I do try to let discussions run for a full week. Thanks for the notice and I will refrain from closing early. Natg 19 (talk) 23:56, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Asian Australians in politics

Hi I've seen your work in Asian Americans in politics and wanted to see if you assist me in creating Asian Australians in politics. I'm a new editor and wasn't sure if this is the proper way to ask for assistance, so let me know if I'm wrong. Thanks SCN 1999 (talk) 05:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

SCN 1999, sorry I won't be able to help at this time. Natg 19 (talk) 19:22, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

July 2022

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Manawatū

Hi. The Manawatū page was recently changed from being a redirect to Manawatū District to being a disambiguation page. You have changed many of the Manawatū links, mostly to go to Manawatū-Whanganui, with a small number to go to Manawatū District or Manawatu Rugby Union. I have checked a few of the changes to Manawatū-Whanganui and it seems to me that they should be instead linking to either Manawatū District (as one might expect, given that Manawatū was previously a redirect to there) or Manawatu Rugby Union. What is your reasoning for changing most of them to Manawatū-Whanganui? Thanks. Nurg (talk) 02:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@Nurg I tried my best to determine whether the links should go to the region, or the district, or the Rugby Union team. If you find any errors, feel free to fix them. From what I could tell, a lot of the links were referring to the general Manawatū-Whanganui region of NZ, not specifically the district, so I linked to the region. Natg 19 (talk) 05:21, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

In the sample I checked, they all appeared to be wrong. So there may be in excess of 150 links that need to be corrected. Do you have any ideas for reducing the amount of effort to correct them? Or, if you think I am overestimating the problem, could you go through the first half dozen or so that you changed and explain why you thought Manawatū-Whanganui was better than the narrower Manawatū District. Thanks. Nurg (talk) 05:52, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@Nurg Can you list a sample of wrong links, and explain how they are wrong? I don't understand where the issue lies. Though to be honest, I am not from NZ, so perhaps there is something I am missing here. Natg 19 (talk) 05:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Manawatū consists of Manawatū District plus Palmerston North. Manawatū-Whanganui is a vastly bigger area, including the districts of Whanganui, Horowhenua, Rangitikei, Ruapehu etc in addition to Manawatū. Look at the maps at the two articles.

Given that Manawatū District excludes Palmerston North, we don't have an article that exactly matches Manawatū. So, piping "Manawatū" to Manawatū District is an approximation. But, in comparison, piping "Manawatū" to Manawatū-Whanganui is generally just way off the mark, as Manawatū makes up only 10–15% of the region. I reiterate that Manawatū was until now a redirect to Manawatū District. So if one was unsure and had to make a guess, the far better assumption would be that "Manawatū" refers to Manawatū District, rather than Manawatū-Whanganui. Does this explain it sufficiently, or do I need to explain for a sample of wrong links? Nurg (talk) 09:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@Nurg I'm not sure what you mean by "Manawatū consists of Manawatū District plus Palmerston North." I disagree that linking to a smaller district is a "better assumption" than to an overall region. I view this as a New York State vs New York City (or Oklahoma vs Oklahoma City) situation, and so I linked to the larger, more prominent region if the situation seemed unclear.

You can fix the links if you feel they are incorrect. There are tools/plugins on Wikipedia for making many changes quickly but I have not used them. Sorry for your inconvenience and next time I will leave these types of changes to someone better versed in New Zealand geography. Natg 19 (talk) 16:46, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Best wishes. Nurg (talk) 05:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of AAPG (disambiguation)

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RfA chances

Hi! I see you have opened up thread up regarding viewing your adminship chances. I'm not a fan of commenting on this at ORCP, but if you are interested, drop me an email and I'll take a thorough look. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:54, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Charles and Andrew

Hello! About ten days ago, I started a conversation about Prince Andrew never being mentioned on now-King Charles III page. Everybody agreed the information should have been there, publicly relevant siblings are always mentioned and bla bla bla. No one disagreed. You've done the edit, adding the name of all his siblings in his Early Life and Education section. I put my tin-foil hat on and said I'd keep an eye on the page since I found that absence at least weird.

A couple days ago, the names of his siblings were removed with no discussion about it, no notes on the edit and, I'll add, by a user that appears to spend full working days editing pages of noble people. I started another topic about it but it deviated more on my paranoia than on the facts: the community agreed the information should be there and someone arbitrarily removed it. I don't have privileges to edit the page, I've never edited and preferred to ask and debate until someone more skilled did things better than I could.

Could you, if this makes sense to you, edit that sentence back and mention the "accident" in the notes? And do you know if there's a way to protect this (maybe) delicate information? Or, if you're familiar with this, should I escalate the thing in some more formal way than debate in the Talk section? Thanks in advance and sorry if I'm not very good with this. Cicalinarrot (talk) 10:47, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll make some comments at the Talk page. I don't think this needs to be escalated in any way and I disagree that there is any suspicious activity going on. Natg 19 (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok, sorry if I sounded unreasonable and thank you for the help Cicalinarrot (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

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Name change on Northern Council for Further Education page

Hi, I wanted to reopen a discussion which was closed around the name change of the Northern Council for Education page. The organisation is known and legally recognised by the name NCFE - they have not been known as Northern Council for Education for c.25 years. This is not the full name as suggested by an admin in the discussion thread, but rather, a historic one - and as such it's my intention to ensure this information is factually correct. However, I do appreciate the issue around the disambiguation page under 'NCFE'. Could it be that this page name is changed to using a disambiguation marker, as suggested by the user Joy in the thread before this was closed? Possibly "NCFE (Vocational and technical learning charity)"? Thank you. 2A00:23C8:1F18:1301:559:61D1:B37A:EFD4 (talk) 16:01, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

@2A00:23C8:1F18:1301:559:61D1:B37A:EFD4 You can open up a new move discussion if you are interested in having a parenthetical disambiguation, to discuss the best name for the page. But I do not believe it is appropriate to reopen the old requested move discussion. Thanks. Natg 19 (talk) 21:23, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I will do! Much appreciated. 2A00:23C8:1F18:1301:559:61D1:B37A:EFD4 (talk) 15:51, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

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