User talk:Nancy/Archive 6

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SoxBot V has been taken offline indefinitely, therefore {{Statustop}} now uses a semi-manual updating method taking the status from Special:Mypage/Status. You can use the Qui monobook script written by TheDJ to update this page at the click of a button.

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Hrm, I'm not quite sure. That status page should hold your status, I updated it back to "Online"... Problems regarding Qui should be directed to TheDJ, as I'm not sure how it works. Just the template. If you hover over the small icon in the top right you will see the updating stuff. What browser are you using? I think you need to use one of the supported browsers, that could be the problem. xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 15:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It's most likely the browser issue then. No problem! Best regards, xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 15:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Did you get it sorted? xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 19:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes - it was a Firebox v3 beta problem - at home with V2 it works fine and dandy. Thanks again for pitching in. nancy ^(talk) 21:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Good stuff. he said he was going to take a look at v3 and see why it wasn't behaving. xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 21:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

how do I fix the article so that it doesn't get deleted?

Hello Nancy,

I'm trying to post some basic biographical information about Edward R. Weinstein and it is getting deleted. Your reason was that he's not of any significance. But I think he is. His name is listed under the Weinstein's. Also, he is a lawyer that is very active in a huge divorce case right now - former governor Jim McGreevey's divorce. He has been interview by News 12 New Jersey, The New York Times, NJ 101.5,etc. Is it a question of clarity or format? Do you have any suggestions on a way that I could fix it so that it would be approved and would meet all of the Wikipedia criteria. I've read the articles about how to make a page and I've tried different things, but for some reason I'm not doing something right. Please help. Thank you very much! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arybakov (talk • contribs) 19:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

There are two fundamental Wikipedia criteria that you need to meet. Firstly you need to show why he is notable - the criteria are very clearly laid out so if he is notable then it should be straightforward. Secondly his notability needs to be verified by citing reliable, secondary sources - on one of the differently named articles I deleted there were some "references" but they were all either self-published (and therefore not reliable in Wikipedia's terms) or were dead-links or not actually about Edward. You also should be mindful that your previous efforts have looked a bit like an advert for the law firm to the point where a passing editor might wonder if you were somehow personally related or involved. Hope this helps, kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 19:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

the article is significant

I believe that the information I posted is significant. I don't think that someone has to be deceased to be significant. Edward R. Weinstein has been on the news providing commentary and analysis on the divorce of former governor Jim McGreevey. He has been interviewed by many other news sources such as Court TV, New York Times, CNN, News 12 NJ, NJ 101.5, Miami Herald, etc. I posted the few html addresses I could find of the sources of this information. Other websites published print articles about him since 1996 but don't have them up on the web anymore since it's been so long. As far as I could tell, when I was trying to post sources they only consider things with html addresses as sources, which was limiting for me. Next, the nj1015.com/news website, I used because there was a transcript up there last week but is no longer up there because they constantly update the site with only current news articles. That's why you didn't see that website go directly to the interview transcript. There is a lot of info on his webpage too. I don't know how else to prove to you that he's significant and article-worthy. Any other words of wisdom? Thank you very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arybakov (talk • contribs) 19:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU

Hello yet again. I regretfully inform you that the bot we were using to update the user status at Wikipedia:Highly Active Users, SoxBot V, was blocked for its constant updating. With this bot out of operation, a patch is in the works. Until that patch is reviewed and accepted by the developers, some options have been presented to use as workarounds: 1) Qui monobook (not available in Internet Explorer); 2) User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate; 3) Manually updating User:StatusBot/Status/USERNAME; or 4) Not worry about it and wait for the patch to go through, which hopefully won't take long. If you have another method, you can use that, too. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Useight (talk) 22:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Mark H Johnson (professor)

Because I know him and has requested that the page be deleted. I will however appologise to the user for slapping the tag on the page. Maybe I should have taken it up with the user first before doing it. Chemistrygeek (talk) 12:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Reply nancy ^(talk) 12:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

FYI my name is Adam not Chris just thought I would point that out. Yes ok I will go and read that and get back to the tagging once I understand it. Chemistrygeek (talk) 12:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Nancy

Hiya. You know I think my feet are starting to smell - must be time for a change of the apparel adorning them ...... Pedro : Chat 12:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more nancy ^(talk) 12:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Can't even think of an original account name now.. What fun.

Predicted Timeline of events - 13:10 UTC - Asserts has Steward Access. 13:15 - Asserts High degree of computer skills. 13:20 - Blocked. 13:22 Unblock with legal threat. 13:23 - unblock reviewed and declined. Sounds about right......Pedro : Chat 12:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Spot on. nancy ^(talk) 13:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I would also wager 10p on a mention of a 100% grade somewhere along the line nancy ^(talk) 13:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh - I forgot that bit - that's why I don't have checkuser - my poor attention to detail :) Pedro : Chat 13:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

He is utterly impossible but you know, I have to admit that I am quite fond of him in a strange way - may be it is his ruthless pursuit of the title of most inept sockmaster ever that I find so endearing. Can't be doing with the biting though. nancy ^(talk) 13:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ha, yes, you're right. If we have a Wikipedia oscar for "least convincing protestations against being called a sock" he's our nomination! The problem is he's not just G10'ing stuff poorly, he now appears to be adding welcome templates to new user accounts that are clear cut SPA's / SOCKs / basically here to make a WP:POINT accounts etc. (check his contributions). I'll open a checkuser, but I suspect he might have been given enough rope by the time I do it anyway. Pedro : Chat 13:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

And you say you're not a detail man - I saw the mass welcoming and thought "great, he's doing something worthwile for a change" and didn't look any closer. I'm off in to a meeting now for the rest of the afternoon - look forward to reading the 4x unblock request/decline when I return! nancy ^(talk) 13:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

thank you very much! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samwass (talk • contribs) 13:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

My Actions

Hi there Nancy was just letting you know that I am going to stay away from the speedy delete button for a while, if the article needs it because it is an obvious reason to delete then I will add the tag but I have read the guidelines 3 times so that I dont get into trouble again. I have put this on Pedro talk page aswell so you can both keep an eye on me if you wish. But I dont want to get into trouble like this again. Chemistrygeek (talk) 17:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice and will keep to what has been said. I dont see the point in applying for automated tools yet as like you said not long enough here. One question am I allowed to take the template for suspected sockpuppet away? It doesnt really look good when I have just welcomed someone and they see they have been welcomed by a sockpuppet. If you want it to remain there then that is totally fine with me. I will just put the userboxes around it. I am really sorry for messing around before and know that this is my last chance to show you what I really can do. In the future and I mean the very very far future say after a year of editing then I will apply for Sysop tools but I am not aiming for that at the moment my main aim is to keep my vandalism free streak going which as of today will be forever. Chemistrygeek (talk) 19:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Nancy for doing that. Im going to do a bit of new page patrolling, dont know about tagging just patrolling the pages and I promise I won't let you down. Chemistrygeek (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

UNCAT

Hi Nancy thanks for letting me know about them miss categories I will go back and change them. Chemistrygeek (talk) 10:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

User talk:StewieGriffin!

Hi Nancy sorry to call this up to your attention but I know I shouldnt bring this up but on my other accounts I was advertising my scribble wiki and was blocked for doing so. I found on one of the Usertalk pages which I had contributed to originally an advert to go onto this scribblewiki. I have had a look around and it was started by User:RyRy5 and he is the only steward and this user below is advertising the scribblewiki. All User:RyRy5 has done is copy the policies also he has copied the Admin school from wikipedia. Which surely is a breech of copyright?? Below is the advert from User:Bluegoblin7 refering User:StewieGriffin! to the site wikirights because he wasnt successful in his WP:RFA Chemistrygeek (talk) 10:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello mate, I'm sorry about your RfA, and if I seemed a bit harsh, but it was going nowhere from the start. I encourage you to get an admin coach, read all the material you can find, ask some other admins for help (they won't mind), join a test wiki such as http://wikirights.scribblewiki.com/ to learn how to use to tools, and much more. If you need help, please ask - I may not be a sop here, but i am elsewhere!

Thanks,

I can understand why you have asked this question but I think in this instance it is not so much a case of advertising as one editor trying to help another editor after their request for adminship did not succeed. You mentioned copyright, I'm glad you did as copyright status is a really fundamental part of Wikipedia so it is important that you understand it. Everything on Wikipedia is released under a license called GFDL - in basic terms this means that when anyone contributes to Wikipedia, whether it is a sentence in an article or a policy or even things on a talk page, the text can be copied, changed and used by anyone so long as they correctly attribute the source. I have had a look at the Wikirights wiki and they don't seem to have properly attributed the text they have copied & there is a copyright notice on the derivative text - both of these are in breach of the GFDL licence on the original so I am going to drop them a quick note over there.

I've looked at your other contributions this morning and they are looking just fine, only small criticism I would have is that it is courteous to give someone more than one minutes before tagging an article no context or no notability - a lot of people (especially newcomers) create articles one sentence at a time. Best thing to do is watchlist it and go back after 20 minutes or so. Keep up the good work, nancy ^(talk) 11:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I thought that it would be copyright but now that I have read the GFDL I understand. I will look into the history of the page more I think, and it automatically goes onto my watchlist so like you said I will give them plenty of time to create the page and if it hasnt gone anywhere in the 20 mins or so then I will tag it. Just thought that I would let you know about the scribblewiki just so that you are aware of it and thanks for looking into it. Things are improving more and more I am working on an article which I should have done shortly. Chemistrygeek (talk) 11:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Fantasmic Four

Me again, sorry for bothering you all the time but this user I have just welcomed to wikipedia and they removed the tag and they replaced and dedicated their userpage and talkpage to the Fantasmic four a film coming out this summer. Just thought I would tell you. Chemistrygeek (talk) 11:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Good day my young lady!

Why was my edition to Shelby, MS taken off? That is a true famous person, and I am sure other people may have included his name up there. Also why was the "real" full name of Tater taken off of Clarksdale Mississippi? The link under Tater took you nowhere, and at least I posted his real name. Hell I knew the guy in real life. Also Sammy Rogers was the real person based on the character in the book me and several other people have tried to post up. I hope you relize your mistakes and revert your changes!! Thank you so much honey. PHD Iron (talk • --PHD Iron (talk) 18:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thought you might be interested

in this thread, in case you don't have my talkpage watchlisted. Let me know if you find anymore! Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Good grief he really does have a drawer full; glad to see he's abandoned the Walter Mittyesque explanations and denials & is coming clean with out a fuss. nancy ^(talk) 19:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

And he's at least admitting to old ones. The one I just blocked was him, and I'm very encouraged that he fessed up right away. I'm lovin' the enhanced media wiki searching capabilities. My latest ultimatum (assuming you read the thread) is "list them all here because we'll find them anyway". If he says "none", and there are some, goodbye Chemistrygeek as well. Cheers, thanks for your vigilance with this guy. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I think he will - he absolutely knows he is on his last ever chance and that if this one goes wrong then he will be blocked on sight. I also think that it has finally sunk in that he is not the master of disguise that he thinks he is & that there are now quite a few of us who can spot him at 20 paces (or should that be 20 edits). nancy ^(talk) 20:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Just a note though, and sorry to be mean, but I'd sugest no rollback or other extended rights until we've seen a few weeks of productive editing? Thoughts? Pedro : Chat 20:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, absolutely. That was one of his giveaways, adding twinkle to his monobook, and requesting rollback within his first 10-15 edits. No rollback, I would say 2-3 months. Not bad faith, just common sense. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Total agreement. In his list of advice I suggested that least a month of trouble-free editing would be required before he even thought of applying for rollback and at the moment I am optimistic that he is taking very seriously everything which has been said to him. Not really paid much attention to the process for granting (perhaps I should...) - is it common for people to grant it pro-actively to visible vandal fighters? I guess if that happens then he either sinks or swims - if he abuses it gets taken away & hopefully our vigilance will minimise any interim casualties. nancy ^(talk) 05:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

And on another Wiki this raised a smile nancy ^(talk) 05:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh. That's nothing! I run a wiki for the company I work part time for as an easy collaborative team room - and I've got admin, 'crat, steward and checkuser rights on that! (And checkuser comes it massively useful when all edits are made by company employees who are on exactly the same IP....) Pedro : Chat 11:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

:( feeling second class now. I'm a 'crat at work too and not to be outdone I just tried to find if I had and/or give myself checkuser but it's not on the list. [summons System Admins to find out why not - don't they know who I am???] And yeah, yeah, it's entirely useless as we're all DHCP but I still want it, just because. nancy ^(talk) 12:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Keeper76 comment

I dont know if you have seen the comment that I left on keepers talkpage but he said about the other sock accounts. I said that as far as I am aware that there werent any that werent blocked but would let him or you know if there was so that you could block them. Chemistrygeek (talk) 11:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I have been watching that conversation and I am really, really pleased that you are being so open, honest and cooperative. nancy ^(talk) 12:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Much rather be open and honest with you than get into trouble I have got 459 edits so far in 2 days I dont think that is bad going. Chemistrygeek (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

That's quite a lot actually - I probably average only about twice that in a whole month!! Remember that it is quality not quantity that is the goal and try not to get swept along on a tide of thinking that edit count is the be all and end all. nancy ^(talk) 13:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I know I shouldnt get on that tide but I am not only trying to impress you but I am trying to beat my friend on edit count. First person to 1,000 gets a free round of drinks. LOL. I know I shouldnt but I think I have won that. I am very carefull about what I edit im mostly welcoming people and also warning vandals using the templates. Chemistrygeek (talk) 14:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Reviewing edits one has made

Hi, Nancy. I am relatively new at Wikipedia and would like to know how I can review edits I have made to date at Wikipedia pages. I know how to find the pages themselves, but is there any way to retrieve/review the specific changes one made? The matter becoming of interest when I received what seemed to me to have been a rather sharp rap on the knuckles yesterday from a member named Chemistrygeek on Wikipedia's Welcoming Committee for a very minor edit I had made on the Royal Dutch Shell page (my fiftieth edit since January of this year). It made me want to examine the change I had made in order to better understand my error, if in fact there was one warranting the rap. By all means I want to do what is right at and for Wikipedia, in which there is a learning curve no matter how conscientious one seeks to be. Thank you. 24.147.242.195 (talk) 14:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can see you have only made four edits and neither you ~~(nor anyone else for that matter)~~ was warned about edits to Royal Dutch Shell by Chemistrygeek yesterday. However, if you want to see the edits made to a particlular page you just click on the history tab at the top; your own edits across all pages can be seen here. If you really do believe you have made more edits then perhaps you have a dynamic IP and in which case you really should consider creating an account. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 14:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Seems like we might be getting to the bottom if this - do you usually edit as Wikiuser100 (talk · contribs)? nancy ^(talk) 17:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Nancy: Thank you for your prompt reply. Yes, I am Wikiuser100. I did not realize that prior to posting my note to you I had disabled my cable connection (to run anti-spyware software while offline) and had not logged back in when it was reconnected (and used the four tildes as a signature when sending the above note). The IP address display was a tip-off after the fact.

Following your link I am indeed able to locate Before and After versions of the page in question. However, is there some format that highlights the actual changes one makes so they can zero in on them? As it is all one can do is comb each variant and hope to find anything from a redundant blank space having been eliminated on up. Or am I missing something? Thanks in advance for your help. Wikiuser100 (talk) 18:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

If you want to see the actual change that you made, look for your edit in the history list and then click on "last" (second column from the left)- this will show you the difference between your edit and the one before. Looking though page revisions is a bit of a laborious process & in fact I think that this was the cause of the warning on your webpage - Chemistrygeek misread another user's correction of a spelling and thought that you had made the original mistake; you hadn't. I am hoping that Chemistrygeek will be dropping by your talk page to apologise; he had a difficult start on Wikipedia and I have been involved in mentoring him over the past couple of days to see if he can be encouraged towards being a good contributor; he has come an awfully long way already and I do believe that this was a genuine mistake. nancy ^(talk) 19:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the instructions. It is familiar now that I employ it. Guess I dropped a byte on the how-to since using it in the beginning of the year while getting acquainted with editing.

I did receive an apology from Chemistrygeek, however they still do not seem to be clear that it was not I who made the change they reverted; it was another user (145.221.52.72), with some +100 edits credited to their ID. Wikiuser100 (talk) 20:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Nancy I have looked at my contributions and as I said on the usertalk page of this Ip the only edit that was made to Shell was by a user who hadnt spell checked their piece of work so I left a little note saying that they should review their spelling. Chemistrygeek (talk) 14:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Chemistrygeek, can you show me that edit (the warning one) & can you confirm we are talking about Royal Dutch Shell as according to the history you haven't edited that article at all. nancy ^(talk) 15:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Just looked through the my contributions and it was a registered user that reverted the changes but the warning was issued to User:Wikiuser100 thats the only thing to do with Royal Dutch Shell you need to go on to the user contributions and click on the Shell but click forward an edit because it was aimed at the spelling of King William Chemistrygeek (talk) 15:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Chemistrygeek, I have seen the conversation over at Pedro's and I think I finally understand what's happened. The (Dutch) spelling of Willem has been in the article for some time. Then user 145.221.52.72 changed it to the English spelling which was the next edit after Wikiuser100 had made some other unrelated changes. When you looked at the diff you assumed that because the old spelling was highlighted in Wikiuser100's version that it was Wikiuser who had inserted it. If you leave a nice apology at User talk:Wikiuser100 then I'm sure that will be the end of it. There are two lessons to learn here - firstly you must always make sure that you are reading diffs correctly and secondly it is best if you only leave warning messages about edits which you have reverted yourself; if the reverting editor didn't see fit to leave one then they probably had good reason and you should respect their decision. nancy ^(talk) 18:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Chemistrygeek

Nancy, I'm not clear on the background, but you seem to be working with Chemistrygeek (talk · contribs). I noticed that they had marked a page as patrolled that was clearly spam (see log). A couple of minutes later, by coincidence, I look at the history of Confused'n'tainted and see that it was also marked as patrolled by Chemistrygeek. To quote part of the page: "confused'n'tainted is an amature rock band from lowestoft, england. the band currently constists of 3 guitarists, a bassist and a drummer, and usually play at kirkley high school". It hasn't been tagged as CSD#A7, just marked as patrolled. Something is clearly not right with this user's contributions (see my earlier discussion on their talk page about bad categorisation). Can you help? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm trying to mentor him (with the help of a lot of others) - I've been checking his contribs but I must admit it had not occurred to me to check his logs as well. Thanks so much for bringing this to me; I'll have a chat with him. Cheers, nancy ^(talk) 18:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Ditto AdSource which is also clearly spam (see log). I just looked at new pages that have been marked patrolled to find that. I'm not even sure how else one would see what's been patrolled. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I've left him a note. He can be a bit of a bull in a china shop at times. If you want to see patrolled pages go to Special:Log where you can filter by Patrol Log. Thanks again. nancy ^(talk) 18:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I've just cleaned up a bit of the damage. Regards. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Marking pages as patrolled

Thanks for bringing this to my attention I will be more careful in what I mark as patrolled. I was looking through them and I have left a few that I am not sure of and there are some where they have been tagged so then I mark the page as patolled. Chemistrygeek (talk) 18:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Per request

Hi. See. Thanks. ~A H 1^(TCU) 21:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Feels good. good rather than bad. Quick update on edit count am now upto 501 edits. Chemistrygeek (talk) 21:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

That is what is great about this place - just in the same way that people will be straight with you when you screw up, they will also come right out and say good things when you do something helpful or thoughtful. So let's try and work towards getting more positive comments and try to forget about edit count for a while. nancy ^(talk) 21:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment back anyway its getting late better get off to bed. Got college 2moz. I will forget about my edit count unless it jumps massively in the next few days which is highly unlikely. Chemistrygeek (talk) 21:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Confused

Nancy

I am a little confused - you appear to have deleted my article ClickTorch - so re-reading the guidelines I re-edited and re-created to make the importance and significance much clearer but it still gets automatically deleted. Can you advise where I am going wrong.

Thanks

Rob —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robmob66 (talk • contribs) 08:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi there Rob & welcome. I'm confused too - I can only find one creation/deletion of Clicktorch and nothing else in your deleted contributions log. When you say that it gets automatically deleted when you recreate it are you doing this under a different username and article name? - if so can you point me at it so that I can see the improvements you have made otherwise I'm pretty much working blind here! Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 08:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Nancy

I am not sure how to find the copy of the re-created article as it seem to automatically get deleted. However I have managed to get a copy of the text from scrolling back - here are the details:

<<copy of deleted article removed>>_{nancy ^(talk) 09:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)}

I had looked at other similar entries i.e Loomia and beleived the content to be suitable and significant enough for inclusion?

Regards

Rob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robmob66 (talk • contribs)

Rob, that was the text of the version that I deleted which does not say why this company is notable - you said above that you had "re-edited and re-created to make the importance and significance much clearer". As I said I can't find the new improved version either in the deletion history of Clicktouch or in your deleted edits so I really need you tell me what user you made the improvements under and/or what article name so that I can assess whether whoever deleted the new version was justified or not. nancy ^(talk) 09:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Nancy

The intro line was changed significantly fro mthe first one to actually advise of the importance: ClickTorch was founded in 2007 and is one of the first companies to offer website product and content recommedation systems based on research into artificial neural networks which the founders of ClickTorch began in 2002. This research resulted in a new type of neural network called the predictive profiler.

If you have a look at the other entry I mentioned I think you would agree that the article I submitted indicates more significance than others have been accepted. Hence why I am little confused as to why the deletion and where the re-edit ended up? Thanks for you help on this. Rob —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robmob66 (talk • contribs) 09:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Rob. Please help me here. You need to tell me either what title (it wasn't Clicktorch) or what username (it wasn't User:robmob66) was the article as phrased in bold above posted under? If you can't tell me that then there is little point in continuing this thread as you are asking me to explain an event that (as far as I can see) never happened. nancy ^(talk) 09:34, 7 June 2008

(UTC)

I was in my user page robmob66 - I went to the my watchlist and clicked the page ClickTorch. It gave me a blank page and a message to say I was re-creating a deleted page. Which I did. But the page did not seem to be created after I had saved as I could still not find it anywhere. I am just about to go through the same process to see if it works this time.

Rob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robmob66 (talk • contribs)

Nancy I have looked into this for you and can see that the article concerned it was deleted by User:Jonny-mt who gave the reason of G11 for blatant advertising. I dont know if this helps at all or not. Chemistrygeek (talk) 12:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

CG, the creation that Jonny-mt deleted happened after I had the above conversation with Robmob66 but thanks for helping out anyway. nancy ^(talk) 12:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I dont know then but I know that Rob has talked to Jonny-mt also and has complained about the fact it was deleted even though he had changed it and reworded it. Anyway when you got time can you look into my progress and let me know what you think. Chemistrygeek (talk) 12:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

My Progress

Hi Nancy was wondering if you could look into my progress and let me know how I am doing and see if I am doing alright? Chemistrygeek (talk) 13:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

TROFL

Nonsense was the closest criterion I could find for speedy. Author basically wrote in first version that it was WP:MADEUP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by J293339 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

What about "no content"? J293339 (talk) 20:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The content is the Wiktionary template which is actually really common (see pages like IIRC, IMHO, Mensch) - it's used pre-emptively on potential dicdef pages to try and discourage people from creating articles which are nothing but dicdefs. It saves a lot of work in the long run. nancy ^(talk) 21:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, not that I want to get hung up on this article, but the main thing is that it's an article about a word made up by the authors friend, and maybe I put the wrong reason for speedy, but that certainly seems like nonsense to me. It isn't even in the list to which the template links. Could you please suggest a more appropriate remedy?J293339 (talk) 23:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I saw the original edit summary but a quick Google - how better to look for internet slang? :) - showed that it does seem to be in use as an acronym on message boards etc & has been in the Urban Dictionary for over three years [1]. If you still feel strongly about this then AFD would be the appropriate route to take - there are no speedy criteria which really cover it. nancy ^(talk) 07:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. I notice that the bulk of the Google hits are usernames, and that in the three years that it has been on Urban Dictionary, (which I was almost sure wasn't considered RS), it has only gotten 12 ratings. I guess AFD it is. BTW, any string of five random characters gets google hits.J293339 (talk) 16:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

George Fahmy Gabriel

The article has been recreated at least 5 times by user:Fam quantum george‎. The User has been warned but still creates the article.--Bit Lordy (talk) 13:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

It won't happen again - I salted it after I deleted the last one. nancy ^(talk) 13:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I will watch his contributions in case he makes a similar article with a different title.--Bit Lordy (talk) 13:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

This is a different George Gabriel than this listing? http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/George_Gabriel This person meets the threshhold for inclusion at Wikipedia? Thanks in advance. Wikiuser100 (talk) 15:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes completely different. The George Fahmy Gabriel page was a CV of an Egyptian computer technician. nancy ^(talk) 15:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Progress Report

Thanks for the report Nancy. It is amazing to think that a week ago I was battling with the Admins and fighting and making things up in my unblock requests. As I mentioned to Keeper76 and also on the Adminnoticeboard about the open proxies. Can I give you a list of them and you block them because I dont know how you file a report on the open proxy bit of wikipedia. Welcoming is going great I like the cookie one so I will keep to that one as it doesnt mention anything about contribs just that I am an experienced user. Anyway get back to me on the Open proxies.Chemistrygeek (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Look on the admin noticeboard - someone has replied to you and pointed you towards Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies - best you go there so the experts can deal with them. nancy ^(talk) 16:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Nancy. Will be back editing on Monday am going away for the weekend. Will reply on Monday sometime. Chemistrygeek (talk) 16:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Significant Article Deleted

Hey, you deleted my page about Chris Schubert because it wasn't "significant". It's significant to people in that area, or people who follow small college football. Someone coming out of a Division III school generally doesn't have the chance to do something like go to the NFL or AFL, or any pro sport for that matter. Plus there are tons of links to players from other college teams, some of whom never really panned out at the professional level and Chris Schubert is probably the most notable player in Oberlin College history, other than John Heisman of whom the Heisman trophy is named after. I understand where your coming from I guess, since he is a "real person" after all and not someone truly famous and the site is maintaining its integrity. But it's big news in the world of small college football. --Zachrichardcb (talk) 06:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you pretty much summed it up in your last couple of sentences. Wikipedia has a benchmark for notability of athletes - you can read it here - and the fundamental criteria is that the subject must have competed in a fully professional league or, if they haven't must have had multiple, secondary sources published about them. Whilst Chris undoubtedly had an impressive college career that is where it ended. Sorry! Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 06:57, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

IS there some way I could get the text or code back? --Zachrichardcb (talk) 14:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I have moved it in to your userspace. You can find it here User:Zachrichardcb/Chris Schubert nancy ^(talk) 19:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Category: British Occupations

As per suggestion I took it to WP:CFD but, purely for information, I'd already toned that category down significantly as it included topics such as the Falklands War, British Forces Germany and British Commonwealth Forces Korea. It appeared to have been solely created as an attack category. Justin talk 11:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

For info, being discussed here Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 June 8, it is continuing to be used for POV edits to British Army articles. The editor who created that category is removing tags to a similar category from Russian Army articles. Justin talk 19:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

deleted "Saul M. Abramzon"

Nancy, thank you for deleting Saul M. Abramzon, I did not know how to do it. And please, can you answer this: exactly the same name structures bring different results in the categories listings, for example [2]: listing by first name instead of last name in some cases. When I saw the category listing the first name instead of last name, I tried to change the article name adding patronyms, but it still did not correct the category listing. There must be something else that makes it to read first name instead of the last name. What is it? How to correct it? Barefact (talk) 06:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi there Barefact. The way to alter the sort order is by using the template {{DEFAULTSORT:}} - this is usually placed at the head of the category list within the article. So in the example of Joe A. Bloggs, the way to make him show under B rather than J would be to add {{DEFAULTSORT:Bloggs, Joe A}} to the article. Hope this helps. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 07:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I am very greatful. I knew that there is a magic bullet, and found a person who has it. Barefact (talk) 23:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Semi Protection - Permanent

Hi nancy, Since your my favourite admin :-) I was wondering if you could protect some pages for me? since iv'e done a major revamp of my users space (namely adoption) its mainly for preventative reasons because the other pages have been protected by you (in the pasT) due to persistent RCP vandalism.

I know thats a big list and for theat reason i'm giving you 2 cookies «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™ |l» 14:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Prom3th3an has given you a c ookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. {{subst:if||| {{{message}}} ||subst=subst:}} To spread the goodness of cookies, you can add {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

Prom3th3an has given you a c ookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. {{subst:if||| {{{message}}} ||subst=subst:}} To spread the goodness of cookies, you can add {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

Done (flattery and bribes will get you pretty much anything) nancy ^(talk) 14:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Tippin Wagons band page

Hi my name's Martyn, i haven't been using wikipedia long, and i'm in a band called Tippin Wagons. Since we were starting up again and hoping to record and tour later in the year i wanted to make a wikipedia page for fans of the band to read up on and update during the course of the coming months. I was wondering why the page was cancelled, and if you could advise on what references i would need to provide, given that most of the information to begin with would not be recorded on online sites. The information in references i could provide would be a myspace page, websites featuring information of the previous gigs, and a facebook band page. However due to the fact that this is a relatively small and unknown band at present there is not a lot of verifiable information that can be provided online. However there will be more detailed information as our band website develops and we beign to catalogue events online.

Any information you could give me would be much appreciated,

Thanks, Martyn —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMexican1987 (talk • contribs) 12:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Martyn, hello and welcome. Wikipedia has certain standards for inclusion which are broadly around the notability of the subject and the ability to back up any claims with reliable secondary sources. In addition it is generally frowned upon for people to write about themselves or their own projects on Wikipedia as it is very difficult to remain neutral and objective when writing about something you are personally involved with - we assume that if something is notable enough to merit a page then someone unconnected will be along to create one pretty quickly. There is a specific set of requirments for bands which can be found at WP:BAND and looking the contents of the deleted article and the additional information you have given above, Tippin Wagons doesn't quite make the grade yet; as you say yourself, the band is "small and unknown". Also the things you want from Wikipedia are not things that Wikipedia is for - looks like what you really need is to set up your own band website. Sorry if this is all a bit disheartening but just because Tippin Wagons aren't ready for Wikipedia yet then that doesn't mean that you can't stick around and contribute to existing articles on topics of interest to you. Good luck & kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 14:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

BARNSTAR!

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		I point out the pile of poo (a/k/a speedy tag) and you sweep it up and dispose of it - what a team! I think you've got the harder job by far. Thanks for your tireless work in keeping the junk out of Wikipedia! - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 19:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Why?

Why did you delete my page Chloe' S. has a great significance in our small town community. She changes lives adding happiness and love to our surrounding. You have no write to delete her page put it back!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hawksrule33 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Page delete

Nancy, you deleted the following: 20:18, 24 May 2008 Nancy (Talk | contribs) deleted "City School Austin" ‎ (G12: Blatant copyright infringement: Cut and paste of school website.)

I read as much as I could before creating this entry. I found an article that said I could use the material as long as I had permission from the school. This was absolutely not blatant copyright infringement as I created this at the schools request. I'm not sure how I prove that I had permission but I did include the contact information of school officials (on the discussion page) so permission could be verified. What more do I need to do?

Gbsales (talk) 05:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

gbs

Hello Gbs. Wikipedia's copyright requirements are quite strict and it is not quite enough for you to have permission, it also has to be proven that the permission is of the right type - this is because anything that is written on Wikipedia has to be released under GFDL which basically means that it is available for anyone to use anywhere they like either as posted or changed as they wish. There are two ways to confirm to us that the text has been released:

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must include on cityschooltexas.com the statement "I, (name), am the author of this article, (article name), and I release its content under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later.

or

Obtain written confirmation from the school authorities that the text has been released to GFDL which should be forwarded to the email address "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org"

To be honest, in this instance I think that it would actually be easier to rewrite the content in your own words rather than jumping through all the copyright hoops. A word of warning though, even if the new article is not a copyvio then it may still be removed unless it meets our guidelines for notability of schools and is properly sourced. Also as it sounds like you are closely associated with the school you may want to leave it for someone who may have a more neutral perspective to write the article - if City School meets the notability requirement then it surely won't be long before someone does just that. Good luck with which ever way you decide to take this & hope to see you contributing to other articles in the future too. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 09:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you please explain more fully?

Could you please explain more fully why you discounted my {{hangon}} request for Ken Garber?

Please see User:Geo Swan/Review/Ken Garber Geo Swan (talk) 10:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I would like you to restore the article's history. Geo Swan (talk) 10:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleted article & full revision history can be found at User:Geo Swan/Review/Ken Garber 2. I also looked at your expanded version & whilst in its revised form it would pass speedy my guess is that it would struggle at WP:AFD with the cited sources - three of them are primary and fourth, the New Yorker article, has only a trivial passing mention. I think the problem you will have is that this is just a soldier doing his job which whilst worthy is not noteworthy. Anyway, just my opinion. Best of luck with it. nancy ^(talk) 10:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Courtesy Notification regarding my recall criteria

Hiya. Just a courtesy note to say I've named you as one of the editors that I would accept a request for recall from. There's nothing onerous about it, and you don't have to do anything. It's simply to let you know that as I have added myself to CAT:AOR I needed some unfussed criteria for recall, and I believe your judgement fits that criteria neatly. Thanks! Pedro : Chat 10:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

deletion

You deleted the "Vike Pound" entry. I'd like to know why. It is a current student group at a high school and I thought I'd put some background into it. Considering some of the stuff I've seen on Wikipedia, it seemed pretty proper. Pakkmann (talk) 14:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

You should check out the inclusion guidelines for student organistions and then possibly consider a myspace page instead. nancy ^(talk) 15:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Myspace eh? hahaha. I think not. I had no idea wikipedia was so selectively picky on content - but that's cool. I do find it interesting though that content is patrolled based on assumed interest level. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pakkmann (talk • contribs) 15:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

hey

So whats the problem with me creating a tech4aday page...its a real company... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panteraozzy (talk • contribs) 18:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

So real that you have variously cut and pasted the Best Buy article and the PC World article? nancy ^(talk) 19:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Did you notice that he'd vandalised your user page? Justin talk 21:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Central blues australian football club

Hi Nancy,

I am trying to set up a wiki page for our football club (The Central Blues Football Club). The reason being obviously to give ourselves a presence in the Wikipedia realm. We have our own website www.bluesafc.ca for your reference.

I had not completed preparing this page before it was deleted. I am unsure why this club is deemed not notable - as there are other all the other OAFL clubs which the Central Blues compete against in the OAFL (also cited on Wiki) League which are on Wikipedia.

Other clubs who compete in the OAFL cited on Wikipedia: Etobicoke Kangaroos, Guelph Gargoyles, High Park Demons, Toronto Rebels, Hamilton Wildcats, Toronto Downtown Dingoes, Broadview Hawks, Toronto Eagles, Ottawa Swans. (All the teams in the OAFL have been allowed Wikipedia pages.)

I do not understand why the Central Blues Football Club is being left out? I am guessing that there was some prior reasoning behind this decision. I am hoping to be able to have this overturned and the Blues FC given another chance at enjoying a Wikipedia presence. Please advise if there was anything which I can do to assist in this matter.

I look forward to your response. And hope to achieve a positive outcome in this situation. I can be contacted at andy.han.email@gmail.com.

Many Thanks

Andy Han Blues.agent33 (talk) 17:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Andy, having looked at the rest of the articles in the series I can't see more than one of two of them that have even borderline claims to notability but I couldn't be the one to make CBAFC the odd one out so I have restored the deleted article to User:Blues.agent33/Central blues australian football club so that you can work on it prior to giving it another go in mainspace - I can't guarantee that it won't be deleted again but good luck with it. nancy ^(talk) 18:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Corliss P. Stone

Read the page you bot, Corliss P. Stone was Mayor of Seattle. Restore the text. RichardBond (talk) 21:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC) Never mind I will take care of reposting it myself RichardBond (talk) 21:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

OK nancy ^(talk) 21:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Julie Kemer

Why do you keep deleting my article about Julie Kemer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josphine A. (talk • contribs) 21:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Because there is no assertion of notability. I'm sure Julie is a lovely person and it is great that she is the prettiest girl in her school but that is not quite enough for her to have a Wikipedia article I'm afraid. Perhaps myspace might be a better venue for you to tell the world about her? Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 21:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Remote access router

You declined a speedy nom saying that the article had "insufficient context" rather than "no context". However, Criteria A1 is explained as "Very short articles lacking sufficient context to identify the subject of the article." This seems to be in line with your own assessment of the article. Can you explain how "insufficient" and "lacking sufficient" are different? Ham Pastrami (talk) 01:02, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Happily. Criteria A1 is all about whether there is enough context to identify the subject of the article. In this case I believe that there is - the article tells is that a RAR is a computer network device and that it is used to connect sites using data circuits. When I said insufficient context I meant rather that more context could be provided for readers not familiar with network infrastructure which is somewhat beyond the realms of A1. Hope this helps to clarify. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 13:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thames Pics

Hi Nancy - I hope you have got your photo target pages on watch, as I may have bagged some of your foxes! Regards Motmit (talk) 14:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes I need to update them, I saw you'd been hard at work (or should that be "saw that you'd been enjoying a nice few days on the water"?) - really good pictures, especially the ones of islands. I was kicking myself this weekend as we've been up to Cliveden Deep & the light was perfect for photographs but we'd left the marina before realised I had forgotten my camera. Idiot. Also saw that you created Swift Ditch (nice one) earlier in the week & was meaning to ask you about the pound lock. My "River Thames Book" says that the pound lock is the oldest surviving yet in the picture you describe it as the site of suggesting that the structure has gone; did you get close enough for a look? nancy ^(talk) 14:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Glad you liked them. Some isles tend to look a bit the same so it is rather a challenge. Somehow my camera managed to lose all my shots between Goring and Wallingford which is actually worse than not having the camera in the first place! The Swift Ditch lock was I think the first pound lock, but according to good old Fred Thacker was virtually taken apart when Abingdon went in, so I don't know where the River Thames Book got "surviving". Certainly all that is left is what is shown in that picture - the best I could get. Regards Motmit (talk) 19:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Lolla lola socks

Hi Nancy, I see you've found some more of these. I filed a checkuser yesterday on some of the other socks here Wikipedia:RFCU#Requests_for_IP_check, might be useful. Kevin (talk) 10:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

peter dunbar

why did u delete this page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Godfatherrus (talk • contribs) 17:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmmnn?? "Altough [sic] he cannot drive that does not stop him from entering the Guiness World Records for the fastest man to ever drive to the moon. " You tell me. nancy ^(talk) 18:02, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Article

Nancy, You have deleted John Sturdivant, Jr. - You claim blatant copyright infringement - Can you tell me how to set the GNU license on that page, would you accept an email from the owner of the web site, or what other remedy can we take to get this posting back up. Junior08 (talk) 07:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Junior08. There are two ways that you can go about releasing the text:-

On the page http://www.junctionstudio.com/js.html you can place the text I, (name), am the author of this article (article name) , and I release its content under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later.

or

Obtain written confirmation from junctionstudio.com that the text has been released to GFDL which should be forwarded to the email address "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org"

You might find it less hassle just to write the Wikiepdia article in your own words but whatever you do you must make sure that as well resolving the copyright issues the article meets Wikipedia's other standards., particularly with regard to notability for musicians and verifiability. Good luck!, kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 08:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Dov Soll

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Dov Soll. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. I suspect that we'll endorse the deletion, but conclude that you should have cited WP:CSD#A7 instead of WP:CSD#G4, despite the tag on the article, because the prior AFDs were closed because the article had been speedy deleted under A7 rather than deleting because of the AFD. GRBerry 19:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC) as the result of the AFD discussion.

Turner Music and Events Username issue

Hi Nancy,

I have reviewed the username policy and I understand the issue that you are referring to. When I first started this page I was intending on building an article on Turner Music and Events, not necessarily using it as my username. I was confused when i first began working with Wikipedia; when I first tried to build an article a notice informed me that I should first practice on my home page so that is what I did. After I finished the page that I created I chose the move page command and changed the name, it was to my knowledge that this would create it as an article but this apparently is not the case. I am not sure as to what I should do now or if what I have done is against Wikipedia policy, if this is the case I apologize. If you could give me some advice on how to fix this so that I can still have this page up that would be great and if I can no longer keep the page I would still appreciate an explanation as to why.

Sorry for any inconvenience,

Turnermusic (talk) 20:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

could you please do me a favor?

Hello,

I am a master student at the Institute of Technology Management, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. Currently I am wrapping up my master thesis titled “Can Wikipedia be used for knowledge service?” In order to validate the knowledge evolution maps of identified users in Wikipedia, I need your help. I have generated a knowledge evolution map to denote your knowledge activities in Wikipedia according to your inputs including the creation and modification of contents in Wikipedia, and I need you to validate whether the generated knowledge evolution map matches the knowledge that you perceive you own it. Could you please do me a favor?

I will send you a URL link to a webpage on which your knowledge evolution map displays. Please assign the topic (concept) in the map to a certain cluster on the map according to the relationship between the topic and clusters in your cognition, or you can assign it to ‘none of above’ if there is no suitable cluster.
I will also send a questionnaire to you. The questions are related to my research topic, and I need your viewpoints about these questions.

The deadline of my thesis defense is set by the end of June, 2008. There is no much time left for me to wrap up the thesis. If you can help me, please reply this message. I will send you the URL link of the first part once I receive your response. The completion of my thesis heavily relies much on your generous help.

Sincerely

JnW ^talk 05:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello, here is the link

Pretest webpage

If you have any question during pretest, please contact me.

Please finish it before 25 June. Thanks a lot. :)

JnW ^talk 14:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

user:Chemistrygeek

I'm reluctant to bring this up, since you seem to be trying to guide them, but User:Chemistrygeek is pretty clearly the same user as User:ILoveFran, who was blocked for Twinkle abuse a few weeks ago (and made legal and other threats in their unban requests). Their user pages have a distinct similarity. AGF notwithstanding, I don't believe the user is here to edit constructively. Activity seems to be slowing down on this account, so my suspicion is there are other socks under less scrutiny. I'd like to ask for someone to do a checkuser, but I thought it would be best to raise it with you first. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No need for a checkuser, we know it is the same person (and he has admitted it himself) but between Pedro, Keeper 76 and myself we agreed to wipe the slate and give him one last chance. He knows the score and is well aware that if he goes back to his old ways he will be indef blocked and any more socks will be blocked on sight. There are a million threads lying around about it but the key ones are the fourth thread on this version of his talk page and also this one User talk:Keeper76/Archive 6#My Progress. I absolutely agree that marking pages patrolled incorrectly is not a good thing to do (& is something I have raised with him before) but he has come an awfully long way from the silly kid who was reverting good edits as vandalism, tagging good articles for deletion and lying his head off to anyone who tried to reason with him. May be I am being too soft but I'd really like to avoind anything too drastic at this moment, hope this is OK with you. He's been ill this week and away form his computer hence the lack of edits - obviously can't be 100% sure but there are a few of us now who can spot his socks at 50 paces such is his predictability when he's being bad so I don't think he's trying good hand/bad hand with us at the moment. nancy ^(talk) 15:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The purpose of the checkuser would be to establish if there are other active socks. If there aren't, I'll leave you to continue working with the user. If there are, all accounts would be blocked. Does that seem reasonable? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I suspect that such a CU request would be declined as "fishing". Question is really whether one bad call on marking a page patrolled is worth the drama - he's been hauled up about it on his talk page by you and I have left my two-penn'th as well now - and whilst I would rather that he hadn't done it, in the scheme of things it is a very minor transgression, it's not like he put the main-page up for speedy deletion now is it? :) nancy ^(talk) 17:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Your points would have much more weight if this were a single incident by a new user, and not part of a pattern of lots of minor (and not so minor) transgressions. Just with this account, there's labelling inoffensive pages as attack pages, adding bogus categories, and repeatedly marking pages as patrolled that should have been speedied. We know it's the admitted sockpuppet of a chronic sockpuppeteer, so I'm not sure it would be declined as fishing, but you'd know better than I would. I understand that you're trying to reform the user with gentle guidance, and I appreciate that attitude, but I have my doubts about success in this case. I'll adopt a wait-and-see stance for this one. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Not for one second denying that he has made some shocking, shocking edits but if you look at the contrib history the atrocious stuff is very much in the past and pre-dates him being read the riot act. The improvement since he started to take things seriously and listen to guidance has been quite startling and I think that there is the makings of a useful contributor there. He hasn't been banned so as long as he does not resort to his old ways then I can't see what would be gained by blocking. However, if he screws up I will be the first in line with a big fat block & god help any one who gets in my way! BTW the fishing comment was referring to the notion of using checkuser to establish whether there were any active socks when we don't have any usernames in mind. Anyway, thanks for your understanding and temperance, much appreciated. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 21:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Although the user has a colourful history and has made some pretty bad errors so far with this account, they have at least also made some productive ones. Nancy, Kepper76 and I have agreed that any evidence of sockpuppetry will result in an indef. block. So far the user seems to be playing it straight, so I'm inclined (at present) to view this as a brand new user making mistakes. That then leaves the matter at hand of poor speedy nominations, incorrectly marking clearly deleteable stuff as patrolled (and having an obsession with userboxes!). We don't block for not knowing WP:CSD#A7. And we don't block for poor RC patroling. We mentor accordingly. All three of us have agreed that automated tools will not be granted (rollback), or removed if installed (Twinke), until the user can show a better understanding. This is probably an extension of good faith that would seem beyond a lot of the communitie's patience. I understand Delicious carbuncle's concerns, which are very, very legitimate. I would simply offer reassurance that there are three active and experienced admins working together on this case and that none of us are afraid to block again if needed. Pedro : Chat 07:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I havent been around have had some personal issues around and about that I have had to deal with. I have made a descison about the New pages and if I dont know what it is on about rather than tagging the page I will just leave it for another user to look into. I will also look into the Uncat sorting and stick to what I know. Chemistrygeek (talk) 10:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Honest Reporting Canada deleted

Hi Nancy, I am the original author of the work that appeared on the Honest Reporting Canada page that was deleted due to copyright infringement. how would i contact you to a. restore the deleted page b. give the author of the page permission to post the work.

how would i do this? is there a form i sign, and an email adress to send it to? thank you

Michah99Michah99 (talk) 18:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Michah99 There are two ways that you can go about releasing the text:-

On the page http://ottawa.ujcfedweb.org/ir_listing.html?ID=7463 you can place the text I, (name), am the author of this article (article name) , and I release its content under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later.

or

Obtain written confirmation from ottawa.ujcfedweb.org that the text has been released to GFDL which should be forwarded to the email address "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org"

You might find it less hassle just to write the Wikiepdia article in your own words but whatever you do you must make sure that as well resolving the copyright issues the article meets Wikipedia's other standards, particularly with regard to notability for organisations and verifiability. Good luck!, kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 14:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

DELETION OF ARTICLE SHOLIYARS

I OBSERVE THAT THE DELETION OF ARTICLE ON SHOLITYARS HAS BEEN UNFAIR. KINDLY ALLOW REWRITING OF THE ZONE. WIKIPEDIA IS WARNED AGAINST CARTELIZATION AND DUPLICITY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sembian valavan (talk • contribs) 14:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sholiyar for the debate which led to a consensus being reached to delete the article. nancy ^(talk) 14:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for fixing the tally on the Ali'i RFA. 'Twas the first time I voted. Stanstaple (talk) 15:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem - some people update the tally when they vote others don't, there's no hard and fast rule & no-one minds either way. Hope to see you participating in more RFAs now you have broken your duck. nancy ^(talk) 15:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Personal Attack

I have removed a personal attack from Mrt23498 (talk · contribs). I believe the user was inquiring about the deletion of Ebenezer Chapel, Melksham, which appears to be a good deletion as it had very little information - certainly not enough to expand the article. FYI, UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 13:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) nancy ^(talk) 16:19, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Dear Nancy

Is it right what I've done here? http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Dami%C3%A1n_A._Fern%C3%A1ndez_Beanato&diff=220751390&oldid=218884674

Regards --Miotroyo (talk) 12:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Gloucester Public Schools

I Wanted to keep gloucester Public schools why dont you try to look at the talk page like wikipedia tells u to do! —Preceding unsigned comment added by CelesJalee (talk • contribs) 18:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid that as you had blanked the article - some 45 minutes before it was deleted - there was nothing to keep. We don't have provision for placeholders on Wikipedia so the best advice I can give you is to work on the replacement article in your own userspace until such a time that it has sufficient content to be put back in to the mainspace. You could create your own page to work on it, eg. User:CelesJalee/Gloucester Public Schools. I would recommend reading the proposed notability guidelines for schools at WP:SCHOOL before you start. You might also take a moment to reflect on your tone when communicating with other editors and consider how you might have rephrased the message above to be less aggressive and confrontational. nancy ^(talk) 18:47, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I am the copyright holder

I license Wikipedia to use copyrighted material that I posted.

Hope this clarifies things...

All the best,

Michael Douglas Carlin Author of "A Prescription For Peace" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaeldouglascarlin (talk • contribs) 07:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Not quite. Firstly we cannot accept text which has a copyright notice on it as everything on Wikipedia must be released under GFDL and secondly anyone could come along and say they were you which is why we require off-wiki permission. I'm not sure if you have read the pages I pointed you to, but if not I will precis the process you need to go through here:

If the copyright material has come from a website you can place the text I, (name), am the author of this article (article name) , and I release its content under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later on the host website.

or

Obtain written confirmation from the copyright holder that the text has been released to GFDL which should be forwarded to the email address "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org"

You might find it less hassle just to write the Wikipedia article in your own words but whatever you do you must make sure that as well resolving the copyright issues the article meets Wikipedia's other standards., particularly with regard to notability for biographies and verifiability. Good luck!, kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 07:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Nonviolent Communication

Thanks for living up to 'speedy' :-). I'm all for Nonviolent Communication becoming a generic concept, but from my experience it is not, and the article certainly isn't. There are Wikipedia articles on many other "name-brand" processes - e.g. Process Oriented Psychology, Open Space Technology, The World Cafe, i could go on... --John_Abbe (talk) 07:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi John - I can see your point although I think there are arguments both ways. I think that this merits a wider discussion and consensus so I would suggest that you take it to WP:RFPM - speedy is really for completely non-controversial moves which I don't think this is. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 07:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't see the controversy, but okay, it's done. --John_Abbe (talk) 07:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hans Thomann

Dear Nancy, I am sure Hans Thomann is important. He works as managing director in the biggest music store of Europe. Please take a look here: http://www.musikhaus-thomann.de. What's your opinion after regarding this? Best --Weissmann (talk) 10:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a primary source - notability is established by multiple secondary sources. Being the MD of your father's firm is not notable in itself, although, if it had been mentioned in the article it might have been enough to save it from speedy deletion. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 10:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Best --Weissmann (talk) 10:19, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Global warming Ireland

Hi Nancy,

I am learning how to do the editing and probably made a mistake by saving the page. I do think the page is usefull in time. Is there any other reason why it shold not be made?

I am new to this so be kind.

Thanks

Naoise Hart —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naoise hart (talk • contribs) 14:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

You need to show why this particular website is notable. The quidelines can be found at WP:WEB but typically a website is considered notable if it has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site. nancy ^(talk) 05:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi!

You deleted my page because you thought it was advertising. In actuality I just saw him speak, thought he was totally cool, and tried to look him up. When I couldn't find him on here, I thought he should have a page. However I did ask him to use his promotional material for some parts, but in general I felt like it was reasonably fair. I've tried to make it less advertisy... but could you possibly give me suggestions if it still isn't ok? Instead of deleting it?

Thanks :) --EloraC88 (talk) 23:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)EloraC88

I see that it has been deleted again since you left this message. There are two areas you need to consider. Firstly you need to show why he is notable - the guidelines for biographies can be found at WP:BIO. Secondly you need to make sure that the article is written in a neutral fashion - copyright issues aside, using "his promotional material in parts" is probably not the best way to go about it! Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 05:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

The Reuben Dunbar page

Why'd u mark the Reuben Dunbar page for deletion??? because it was 100% true and that man was a very notable man and i was still workin on the damn article u didnt have to do that i was goin contiune it and finish it out so that it would be more notable. And i think this is descrimination your just angry because it was about a Slave holding officer in the Union Army which contradicts everything you've been taught well news flash i have records that prove it. And okay reuben was Notable he was an envulutional man in Southeastern Kentucky from an important family his uncle was one of the most reverred Confederate Partisan Captains in the Cumberland Platuea and Middle Tennessee and he was a field Officer and owned a tobbacco plantation with slaves. So yeah he wasnt like the most important person in the Civil War but their stories worth telling!!! you are going againist the spirit of the project and didnt have to do this to my article. Im am going to put it back up and im going take this up with higher powers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathanwilllong (talk • contribs) 21:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I do think that accusing me of discrimination is somewhat uncalled for & I would very much prefer it if you withdrew that statement. With regards to your question may I in the first instance refer you here. nancy ^(talk) 21:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Special Request:

CAN YOU NANCY KINDLY FIX ME A PAGE With Name: VON _HEINE - FOR GERMAN USE PLEASE!!! I am a new user and not to home in the use of WIKIPEDA Tools! Sry for Trbl.

Best regards

from "The Dust in the Wind" —Preceding unsigned comment added by VON HEINE (talk • contribs) 08:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia, you can't have pages in German here - I think that you should consider registering an account on the German Wikipedia. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 09:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

OK NANCY

That was the Clue. I have done it now! And now you can cancel all my english entries too, if you like! Blessings + take crae,

Bregrds --H. von Heine 16:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm going nuts

Nancy, I am totally at my wit's end with User:Presumptive and his attempts to ride roughshod over the AfD process concerning an article he's apparently obsessed with. He has made a mockery of the ANI page (see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#How to respond to threat of blocking, how to get more time to receive info about an article? and this AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Joseph Didier (2nd nomination). He's even gone so far as to copy-and-paste comments supporting him from the original AfD, and also posted an online classified ad to get people in the town where this murder took place to jump in. I am completely and totally exhausted by his actions, and have decided to turn to you to see if something can be done about him, or if I'm just plain crazy. I might add that this guy seems particularly knowledgeable about Wikipedia policies (or not) for someone whose first known contribution was three weeks ago. If I didn't know better, I would suspect sockpuppetry, but I have no way of investigating that. Can you help before I just go coo-coo? Or maybe I could just borrow your boat and sail away for a while. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 07:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I will take a proper look at this tonight - just skimmed the ANI thread but need to read the AFDs and other contribs properly too. Boat v good for destressing - literally leave the world behind. Later. nancy ^(talk) 12:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I find the whole thing really puzzling. For an account that is only a few weeks old there are some very sophisticated edits including some sound policy based !votes on other AFD debates and even an AFD nomination. Does have the appearance of someone who's been round the wiki block a few times. Then suddenly it all goes to pot with the Didier business - almost as if it's a different editor. Rationality goes out the window and all the arguments are emotive, I have to wonder if there is personal connection to the crime/victim somewhere along the line - it would certainly explain a lot. I can see that Sticky Parkin has stepped in as adopter although from SP's comments on ANI, particularly the post admonishing non-admins for giving final warnings it might end up being the blind leading the blind, but.... let's AGF and see what happens. The real test will be when the AFD closes as, from a policy perspective, it is looking like a cut and dried delete to me which could be the trigger for some real fireworks. Not sure that there is any action to take which would be appropriate at this time - at the most basic level all Presumptive is doing is expressing their opinion, albeit in a rather unconventional and often frustrating manner, the C&P into the AFD is unusual but probably not sanctionable (is that a word?) and I have tweaked the formatting a little so that there is no possibility of the quoted !votes being taken for current !votes. As for you, don't let it get to you, it's never worth it - life is too short to get stressed out by people you don't even know and care for even less, remember this is just a website - easy to say I know, but it is so true. Take care, nancy ^(talk) 20:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it really is strange. Something just doesn't quite smell right. My old reporter's instincts tell me this user is not quite who he or she says. Could a checkuser be in order to see if he or she was previously banned under another name? Just a thought. As for Sticky, I think this editor means well, but the "blind leading the blind" comment is particularly apt. We shall see. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Beat it u!

quit deleting a page I made for Martin McGavock —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.97.82 (talk) 17:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I will happily quit so long as in return you demonstrate how Mr McGavock meets the notability standard. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 19:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

how to..

hi nancy, Quick question- i cant seem to find how to make different terms redirect to a page. thanks!Michah99 (talk) 15:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

if this is the wrong person/place to be asking these questions please let me know! Michah99 (talk) 15:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Firstly it is absolutely fine to ask questions here - I am always happy to help although cannot guarantee how quick my reply may be! A redirect is simply another "article" the difference being that it contains the code for redirect, so for example to make HRC redirect to Honest Reporting Canada you make a page called HRC with the content #REDIRECT [[Honest Reporting Canada]]. I'm not suggesting that you do that, it's just an example & also bear in mind that if you flood Wikipedia with unlikely redirects you are certain to get in to bother so make sure that they are likely and plausible; suggest a quick read of WP:REDIRECT for the full story. nancy ^(talk) 18:30, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunate choice of speedy deletions for Psi Beta Gamma

Inasmuch as I appreciate the significance of my fine organization is not significant to some others (when sadly, there are a myriad of insignificant articles all over the site which have no connection to anything at all or contain 3 lines,) it was simply the beginning of a greater article in which I was to illustrate the important people from said sorority (and yes, we DO have people you'd recognize, Nancy and Polly.) My actives were getting a copy of our history to me. I apologize for the spare nature of said article at the time of its premature destruction. My first few tries were difficult as I was unsure about the language of the site and had been writing the code in a notepad file.

We'd just begun to edit it, and one of my active sisters was doing her best to help me during finals, so...again, it wasn't something we had a lot of time on our hands to play with it.

However, if you feel my contributions are insignificant, I thank you for your time in reading this, and apologize for the spare nature of my now apparently-ruined article, as I often work 16 hours a day (the joys of being self-employed,) and don't have the time or energy to log in frequently to see if someone dislikes my content or feels it is too-insignificant for Wikipedia (which is a bit insulting, given some content here.) Certainly, expecting me to respond speedily to a "speedy deletion" suggestion is about as likely as expecting me to come up with 10 million dollars tomorrow (so, highly-unlikely.)

I'd like to assure you, Psi Beta Gamma is a real organization, and has been for over 21 years. I'm glad my article was small at the time you ruined it so that it is not such a loss of time and effort.

Regards, Cat aka Originalninjacat (talk) 23:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry that this has affected you so badly. Reading your statement I wonder whether you have perhaps not been aware of Wikipedia's inclusion criteria for groups and organisations which require not only for the group to exist but for it also to be notable. In summary a group is considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable independent secondary sources; the article as deleted did not even assert notability. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 09:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)