User talk:Nableezy/Archive 41
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Incidents
Here argues that an anonymous blacklist is a reliable source, and follows up with "McCarthyite" does not mean inaccurate.. Zerotalk 02:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
At Talk:Azmi_Bishara, quotes from a Hebrew court ruling without telling us that the very next sentences told a different story. (Basically the ruling said that the charges were very serious but the evidence for them was insufficiently compelling; IW brought just the first part.) Zerotalk 03:24, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- That doesnt seem to have been resolved with the arguable BLP violation still in the article. Am I reading this wrong? nableezy - 03:33, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Correct. It isn't a simple edit though due to the erratic structure of the text. Zerotalk 03:55, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Here claims that an external organization becomes an "involved party" merely by reporting on an event. (If this was true, every reliable source would be an involved party.) Zerotalk 03:49, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
At Talk:Golan_Heights the newly invented GDP criterion. Zerotalk 03:52, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- I mean I found that as hilarious as the next guy, but I dont think thats going to get any reaction at AE. Im looking for examples of easy to explain edits that make it obvious there is a POV pushing problem, not ones that can be dismissed as a "content dispute". Ideally ones where he makes the opposing argument elsewhere. nableezy - 03:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- I understand, but my memory is weak. Often I find my own edits on pages that I can't remember seeing before. Anyway, just ignore the things I mention which you don't see as useful. Zerotalk 04:19, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Here claims it is a BLP violation to call someone a Palestinian. Also falsely claims that calling someone in Israel a Palestinian outs lives at risk. Zerotalk 04:19, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
You can doubtless contrast the invocation of PRIMARYNEWS at Talk:Anti-Defamation_League to other uses of contemporary newspaper reports. Maybe Talk:Deborah_Lipstadt and Talk:Kach_and_Kahane_Chai too. Zerotalk 12:55, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
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User:Nableezy a request to resolve an edit dispute has been filed here with the WP:Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. We welcome your comments.Davidbena (talk) 00:21, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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Not going to warn you more than once. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 02:37, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
You honestly do not learn. Know that each instance of you hounding my edits is just another piece of evidence for an eventual WP:ANI report. Here your revert makes no sense - the talk page indicates a dispute over neutrality. This happens to be a page that you have never edited or contributed to the talk page for, but which you suddenly appear to revert my application of a tag within 15 minutes without any discussion. Let me be very clear with you: I do not want you following me around and stalking my edits any further. If we happen to editing a high-profile page together, that's one thing, but you are engaging in clear hounding yet again. Stop what you are doing. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 17:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
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UN Human Rights Council and ARBPIA
Hi - I used to think ARBPIA applies to that sort of thing, but I was being optimistic. That article is not reasonably construed as part of the conflict so far as I can see, only part of it. So the General sanction, ie ECP, doesn't apply and we can't revert IPs. There's been a lot of discussion about this because so many don't know it and some don't like it. BU Rob has been one of those making it clear that there's a distinction between broadly and reasonably, but I'm hoping there may be some movement on this. See his latest post on the issue. Doug Weller talk 19:14, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- If that edit doesn't fall under ARBPIA than nothing does.--TMCk (talk) 21:52, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- All right thanks, Ill keep that in mind for future edits. Seems not exactly wise though. nableezy - 09:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- @TracyMcClark: then go to ARCA and support the suggestion the area be revisited. Please. Doug Weller talk 11:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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The trouble with the "template-editor" right is that they'll be afraid you might edit templates. However "page-mover" is also enough to add editnotices and based on a sample of one there is a good chance you will get it if you apply at Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Page_mover. Zerotalk 13:11, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- You sure? I thought it was just template-editor and admins. nableezy - 18:00, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- nvm, I see that it is. Will request that permission now. nableezy - 18:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- It was changed sometime in the past month or two, so your memory is not wrong. Zerotalk 02:40, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
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Status of the Golan Heights
Your latest edit to Status of the Golan Heights leaves the phrases "captured by Israel [from Syria] in the 1967 Six-Day War" and "territory to be Syrian held under Israeli military occupation" each used twice in the same, very short lead. Please self-revert. M . M 21:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
- No, it gives the current status and when saying the US has changed its views gives that the international community continues to consider it occupied. Anyway, if youd like to challenge an edit made on an article the place to do that is the article's talk page. Where youll see that this very discussion has already, briefly, took place. nableezy - 21:23, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
- Can you at least remove one of the "captured by Israel [from Syria] in the 1967 Six-Day War" lines? It's used twice in the same paragraph, very repetitive & annoying. Thank you. M . M 21:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
- Fine. nableezy - 21:26, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
- Can you at least remove one of the "captured by Israel [from Syria] in the 1967 Six-Day War" lines? It's used twice in the same paragraph, very repetitive & annoying. Thank you. M . M 21:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
IP multi article consensus
Following your edit [6] I just added this: wikipedia:WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration#Multi-article_consensus. Despite being a relatively experienced editor I have struggled to find these in the past, so I imagine it’s even more difficult to find for new editors. Are there any other similar areas of multi-article consensus you can think of that’s worth adding to the list? Onceinawhile (talk) 07:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Block evasion, but still...
Nableezy, I'm all for WP:BANREVERT, but do you really think this was a good edit? Which blocked/banned editor is this anyway? Jayjg (talk) 14:48, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- User:יניב_הורון. I didnt actually look at the content of the edit Jay, and if any editor in good standing reverts me then that would be that as far Im concerned. nableezy - 14:50, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Any evidence to that effect? Menachem Mendel Schneerson died in 1994 - we can't be stating he's still alive (a very small circle of his followers thinks so - but not the rest of the world). Icewhiz (talk) 17:39, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Yes. nableezy - 17:53, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- OK, but I don't think it's a good idea to revert in obviously bad edits just because you think the IP editor is a banned editor. In many cases it appears the IP editor was him/herself reverting some other IP editor, who might well be banned too. Jayjg (talk) 18:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Might be, and anybody can revert those IP edits as well if they have any evidence they are blocked and/or banned. I will try to look a bit more carefully in the future, at the very least also self-reverting where appropriate. nableezy - 18:47, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! Jayjg (talk) 13:22, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- Might be, and anybody can revert those IP edits as well if they have any evidence they are blocked and/or banned. I will try to look a bit more carefully in the future, at the very least also self-reverting where appropriate. nableezy - 18:47, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- OK, but I don't think it's a good idea to revert in obviously bad edits just because you think the IP editor is a banned editor. In many cases it appears the IP editor was him/herself reverting some other IP editor, who might well be banned too. Jayjg (talk) 18:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Yes. nableezy - 17:53, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Any evidence to that effect? Menachem Mendel Schneerson died in 1994 - we can't be stating he's still alive (a very small circle of his followers thinks so - but not the rest of the world). Icewhiz (talk) 17:39, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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- @Anomalocaris: it's showing up as an error Error: Unexpected token '<' at line 1, col 1. But can you tell me if it is fine now? nableezy - 19:11, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Your signature is fine. I don't understand where your error message shows up. I can't edit User:Nableezy/sig.css, but obviously you can. Are you saying that when you edit the file and click "Show preview", it displays that error message as a warning? I don't know what the warning means, but it seems spurious to me. You might ask at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). —Anomalocaris (talk) 19:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Yep, thats exactly what I meant. But ty for checking. nableezy - 19:21, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Your signature is fine. I don't understand where your error message shows up. I can't edit User:Nableezy/sig.css, but obviously you can. Are you saying that when you edit the file and click "Show preview", it displays that error message as a warning? I don't know what the warning means, but it seems spurious to me. You might ask at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). —Anomalocaris (talk) 19:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Interesting. I don't have a User:Anomalocaris/sig.css page, but if I start to create it, and I copy the exact text you have in User:Nableezy/sig.css and click "Show preview", it looks fine and I don't get an error message. Also, if I enter the contents as
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I wonder if it was a one-time glitch. What happens if you edit, make no changes, and Show preview now? —Anomalocaris (talk) 22:07, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- If I just press edit on the bottom of the edit window it has that same error message. Show preview or pre-preview. nableezy - 22:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- I have no idea what that error message is about. It might be a good idea to find out why. I encourage you to try the village pump or some other forum, but it's up to you if you to decide if it's worth the trouble. —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- I think it is just not valid CSS code but it is fine for wiki markup. I only saved it as a css page to prevent others from being able to edit it, iirc. nableezy - 16:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- I have no idea what that error message is about. It might be a good idea to find out why. I encourage you to try the village pump or some other forum, but it's up to you if you to decide if it's worth the trouble. —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- If I just press edit on the bottom of the edit window it has that same error message. Show preview or pre-preview. nableezy - 22:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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Please do not stalk my edits and curb your obnoxious tone. Examples: Here and here. And by the way, the "rank propaganda"
you refer to in the latter is fact. A number of areas of the settlements are unquestionably disputed, and when you take sides as an editor, you're the one violating WP:NPOV. Take this as a courtesy. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 22:22, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
- <Pagestalker:>Lol, User:Wikieditor19920, when you edit in the IP area (that is: Israel/Palestine) you should expect at least a dozen editors will scrutinise your each and every edit. (I know mine are!) Get used to that, or stop editing in the area, Huldra (talk) 22:30, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Huldra: What a nasty reply -- and also, incorrect on policy. My participation in a high-interest area (which goes back a bit) is not a license for harassment and unpleasant comments. If you don't have anything constructive to add, perhaps you should stay out of disputes that don't concern you? Wikieditor19920 (talk) 22:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Wikieditor19920: I have edited this area for more than 14 years: I am just stating the facts: each and every edit in this area are scrutinised...by many editors. Your edits are not an exception. If you think that stating the facts is "nasty", well, that's not my problem, Huldra (talk) 22:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Huldra: There's a difference between legitimate scrutiny (go for it! I have nothing to hide.) and meritless, vindictive reverts paired with nasty, personal edit summaries, one that you apparently missed or are intentionally overlooking. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 00:47, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Wikieditor19920: I have edited this area for more than 14 years: I am just stating the facts: each and every edit in this area are scrutinised...by many editors. Your edits are not an exception. If you think that stating the facts is "nasty", well, that's not my problem, Huldra (talk) 22:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Huldra: What a nasty reply -- and also, incorrect on policy. My participation in a high-interest area (which goes back a bit) is not a license for harassment and unpleasant comments. If you don't have anything constructive to add, perhaps you should stay out of disputes that don't concern you? Wikieditor19920 (talk) 22:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
@Wikieditor19920: @Huldra: It's interesting to examine the first example. Nab's strongest language was "generally not an improvement" and "misleading" (both comments on the edits and not on the person). 19920's response included "'Clever' bad faith wordplay by Nableezy", an obvious violation of the personal attack policy. When I visited a library to get hold of the source, I found that, despite 19920 twice claiming to be arguing on the basis of the source, the source actually supported Nab 100%. The moral of this story is that some editors only have themselves to blame if others scrutinise their edits carefully. Zerotalk 11:31, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks guys, but I would honestly like to respond to this horseshit myself. To begin with, you admonish me for "stalking" your edits. That to an article I have edited some 7 years before you even registered this account. I stalked you to a place I have been for nearly a decade? You understand what the word follows means? It does not mean being somewhere before you. Next, you claim I have an obnoxious tone and do not assume good faith. That while a. lying about what a source says, and b. explicitly accuse me of bad faith. That is you admonish me to assume good faith while explicitly assuming bad faith, and you do so while provably lying about the source. Next, the settlements. Disputed implies an equivalence in the positions. Compare your favored propagandizing phrasing to say the BBC which says The settlements are illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this. Get that? are illegal and though Israel disputes this, not simply is disputed. Sorry, but your attempts to skew the phrasing to one supporting a fringe sized minority is both not in keeping with NPOV or going to stand unchallenged. You dont get to take a flat earth sized view and present it as an actual dispute. Now, as to the lying about the source. I too visited a library, and I too saw that despite Wikieditor19920 claiming that the clear meaning of the sentence based on the source was something other than what the article said he was in fact making things up. Wikieditor19920, did you even look at the source? If not why are you claiming that you have? If you have, then what sentence in it has a clear meaning that backs your position? I very much doubt you have looked at the source, but please enlighten us. And be aware that the next time you lie about a source you will be reported for repeated bad faith and tendentious editing. Thanks in advance. nableezy - 12:28, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- hmmm Wikieditor19920 seems to have gotten quiet here. Maybe it's the have you seen the source question? Difficult to pretend that it says something when you havent seen it and your interlocutor has I suppose? nableezy - 17:26, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- Excuse me, responding to these vitriolic text-walls isn't my top priority. You can review my response in part on the fedayeen talk page -- replete with full-quotes from the source you accused me of lying about, and with the conveniently edited-out bits that directly support my point. And disputed does not mean "equivalent," it means just that: disputed. With something as subjective as a legal framework, you don't get to throw around the "flat-earth" analogy, and the settlement status is unquestionably hotly disputed. Further, none of that has anything to do with your totally off-the-wall behavior when it comes to I/P ("Lying," "Propagandizing" -- if you want good faith, you ought to show it.) Wikieditor19920 (talk) 01:21, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Again, you admonish me for not assuming your good faith while explicitly claiming I am acting in bad faith, and why do you accuse me of that? For faithfully following the cited source. And if you would maybe read a book or two you might find your strongly held beliefs on the legality of Israeli settlements to in fact be flat Earth material. Anywho, consider your warning laughed off, and further find comfort in the fact that your tendentious edits have only been reverted and not reported. Toodles. nableezy - 03:51, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- No, I'm raising an issue with your following me to multiple pages and openly combative behavior. Clearly you has no qualms or awareness about doing so, perhaps due to past experience and leniency, so I'm not going to waste more effort that'll just fall on deaf ears. Best of luck. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 15:09, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Genius, I have not followed you to a single page. If I was at Palestinian fedayeen 7 years before you then I did not follow you there. Or are you using the word follow in some way besides its definition? And openly combative behavior??? You are the one who said I was operating in bad faith, and doing so while you were the one manipulating the text so as not to follow the source. Seriously, miss me with that bullshit. Toodles. nableezy - 15:20, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, good, a sarcastic "genius." Look, I have nothing more to say here and I'm not interested in going blow-for-blow with you. I find your comments consistently combative and unconstructive, I believe you shown a strong bias in the I/P area (i.e. calling me a "liar" and propagandizer) and you are unresponsive to any attempts to bring this to your attention. In addition, you are in fact harassing me when you click on my contributions and follow me to multiple pages I edited recently to make frivolous reverts (without discussion), regardless of whether or not you attended to those pages before, so you are being dishonest when you claim you did not follow me. Clearly you feel perfectly comfortable with all of this, and I suspect because of sympathetic or irresponsible administrators who have allowed this to go on. Zero was perfectly happy to intervene on your side here with a false claim that I had somehow misrepresented a source (I did not) but is silent as a neutral arbiter (which is what admins should be). Again, I have nothing more to say here. Your responses have become predictable and I am bored with this. Best of editing to you. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 23:13, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Jesus Christ, I have not once clicked your contributions and followed you to any page. You can continue to lie about that if you like, but this game is not going to work. You simply do not matter enough to me for me to even spend that much effort on you. I have edited both of those pages previously, one of them 7 fucking years before you had an account. You know what a watchlist is? It shows you changes on pages. I saw your garbage edits on my watchlist and did what any editor in good faith does when they see such garbage, they revert them. You did in fact attempt to manipulate the source, falsely claiming to be following it, and you did in fact push forward a fringe view as though it were neutral. I reverted that. You dont like that? Tough shit. I do not give the teensiest amount of care to what you suspect, think, or suppose. If you think that you will be able to intimidate me into not correcting shit edits because they are made by you through such laughable claims as harassing you for editing pages I have edited before you well best of luck to you. It isnt going to happen, but I wish you good fortune in doing so. It will maybe get a better response on an admin board when you are not provably making shit up about offline sources. nableezy - 23:27, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, good, a sarcastic "genius." Look, I have nothing more to say here and I'm not interested in going blow-for-blow with you. I find your comments consistently combative and unconstructive, I believe you shown a strong bias in the I/P area (i.e. calling me a "liar" and propagandizer) and you are unresponsive to any attempts to bring this to your attention. In addition, you are in fact harassing me when you click on my contributions and follow me to multiple pages I edited recently to make frivolous reverts (without discussion), regardless of whether or not you attended to those pages before, so you are being dishonest when you claim you did not follow me. Clearly you feel perfectly comfortable with all of this, and I suspect because of sympathetic or irresponsible administrators who have allowed this to go on. Zero was perfectly happy to intervene on your side here with a false claim that I had somehow misrepresented a source (I did not) but is silent as a neutral arbiter (which is what admins should be). Again, I have nothing more to say here. Your responses have become predictable and I am bored with this. Best of editing to you. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 23:13, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Genius, I have not followed you to a single page. If I was at Palestinian fedayeen 7 years before you then I did not follow you there. Or are you using the word follow in some way besides its definition? And openly combative behavior??? You are the one who said I was operating in bad faith, and doing so while you were the one manipulating the text so as not to follow the source. Seriously, miss me with that bullshit. Toodles. nableezy - 15:20, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- No, I'm raising an issue with your following me to multiple pages and openly combative behavior. Clearly you has no qualms or awareness about doing so, perhaps due to past experience and leniency, so I'm not going to waste more effort that'll just fall on deaf ears. Best of luck. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 15:09, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Again, you admonish me for not assuming your good faith while explicitly claiming I am acting in bad faith, and why do you accuse me of that? For faithfully following the cited source. And if you would maybe read a book or two you might find your strongly held beliefs on the legality of Israeli settlements to in fact be flat Earth material. Anywho, consider your warning laughed off, and further find comfort in the fact that your tendentious edits have only been reverted and not reported. Toodles. nableezy - 03:51, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Excuse me, responding to these vitriolic text-walls isn't my top priority. You can review my response in part on the fedayeen talk page -- replete with full-quotes from the source you accused me of lying about, and with the conveniently edited-out bits that directly support my point. And disputed does not mean "equivalent," it means just that: disputed. With something as subjective as a legal framework, you don't get to throw around the "flat-earth" analogy, and the settlement status is unquestionably hotly disputed. Further, none of that has anything to do with your totally off-the-wall behavior when it comes to I/P ("Lying," "Propagandizing" -- if you want good faith, you ought to show it.) Wikieditor19920 (talk) 01:21, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
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Please do not introduce inappropriate pages, such as Ariel, Israel, to Wikipedia. Doing so is considered to be vandalism and is prohibited. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Under section G3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, the page has been nominated for deletion. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Huldra (talk) 21:42, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
"Ariel, Israel" listed at Redirects for discussion
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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Ariel, Israel. Since you had some involvement with the Ariel, Israel redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Huldra (talk) 22:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC)