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I moved the new article to Leading-order term, because Wikipedia policy discourages article titles from being adjectives or adjective phrases. Links to leading-order or leading order will automatically forward the reader to the new article location.--Srleffler (talk) 06:07, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

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Question

I see that you gave no reason for this edit. Care to fill me in? JamesBWatson (talk) 21:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Maths is classified as a scientific field. Universities tend to place maths within their science faculties. Of course, it's also much more than merely science, but the page on complex numbers is not the place for making this point. Also, why leave economics in the list? Also, when this change has been made before on this very page, other editors have undone the edit, eg on 19 May. Feel free to come back at me... Mmitchell10 (talk) 22:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't see that "this change has been made before on this very page". I do see that mathematics and statistics have been removed, which is a very different matter from what I did, which was singling out mathematics for a different kind of mention. Complex numbers are a part of mathematics, and I do feel that use of such a mathematical concept in other fields is a different matter from internal use within the subject. I don't actually think that the use of the words "scientific" and "engineering" is really the point, particularly since, as you rightly point out, it is questionable whether economics falls under that description. To me, the essential point of the sentence is that complex numbers have applications in a number of real-life fields, and are not restricted to pure mathematics. Of course complex numbers appear in pure mathematics: that is almost an empty statement, whereas saying that they have applications to other fields is a significant statement.

What would you say to the following suggestion? As I said above, as I see it the essential point is that complex numbers are not just an abstract part of pure mathematics, but have applications. Removing statistics, as an earlier editor tried to do, is certainly unhelpful. I also see no reason why pure mathematics should not get a mention, though I do feel, as i said above, that it has a different status than the others. Specifying "scientific and engineering" is perhaps unhelpful, both because it might be considered debatable whether economics fits under that description, and because it is redundant: anyone looking at the list can see that it includes scientific and engineering fields. (Also, I am not sure that "many engineering fields" is true: complex numbers certainly have a good deal of use in electrical engineering, but no engineer in any other branch of engineering that I have ever asked has said that complex numbers have any use in their field. We have "electrical engineering in the list, so do we need to have "engineering" in the preamble to the list too?) I would suggest something like "As well as their use within mathematics, complex numbers have practical applications in many fields, including physics, chemistry, biology, economics, electrical engineering, and statistics." Any opinion? JamesBWatson (talk) 10:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I think I agree, and I think that's an excellent suggestion which will make the article better than it was 24 hrs ago. Please go ahead and make that change, thanks for taking the time over this. Mmitchell10 (talk) 10:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Hello ! I have red about "Goal average" now. Preaviously I just noticed the bold line. "Goal Average" immediately suggested to me avergage number of goals scored per game of some kind, as I wrote, I didn't study the full text. If You are quite sure that Goal ratio and Goal average is the the same, then my question is - is "Goal average" well-known and the commonly used word in Britain (or was when it was in use, rather)? I'm not native in English. What now ?, to do with the articles ? Goal average isnt the same as goal difference. And I just wrote a Goal ratio article today. (not easy to cope that average could mean ratio, if You see my point.) Could we possible 1. re-name "Goal ratio" article to "Goal average" and 2. make a link from the Goal difference article to the new "Goal average" article. And 3. shorten down the part of goal average in "goal difference article" a tiny bit ? I used a pedagogical example of the difference (atleast I think so). We could also perhaps merge the goal difference article a bit. But since they are not the same I would prefer two separate articles linking each other. Boeing720 (talk) 22:00, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your message. Yes, goal ratio and goal average are the same thing. I agree that "Goal average" could be quite a misleading name, and "ratio" would probably have been better, but unfortunately Average seems to be what they called it in England right from the start in the 1888 season, and also what they called it in the World Cups, eg. 1962. I've included "or goal ratio" on the Goal Difference page which should help. I was going to agree re-naming your Goal ratio article to Goal average, but I see someone else has deleted what you wrote and instead put in a re-direct to the Goal difference page. I think it's not clear whether Goal average should have its own article − it is a different concept to Goal difference, but one was brought in directly to replace the other, so it's good to have both together, and anyway there's not a great deal to say about either, so it would be two quite short articles. I think the historical use section you started would be very useful to have, so I would suggest you include it somewhere on the Goal Difference page, and then in the future people can see how large that section becomes and decide if Goal Average needs its own page. Mmitchell10 (talk) 11:27, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Yes as two separated articles atleast the leads wuld be rather short, I have to agree. But here is an example of how seaprated articles could be helpful. And this example is true. "In the Swedish Allsvenskan, Landskrona BoIS lost the Big silver (2nd) to their worst rivals Helsingborg IF by a less goal average of 0.005, in the 1937/38 season. If goal difference had been the tiebreaker in those days, Landskrona would have became runners up instead" It's my team's (Landskrona BoIS) best achievement ever, by the way. But I suppose a link to goal average may be called for also elsewhere.

Boeing720 (talk) 16:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

If you think a separate article would be best then go for it. I think I would probably agree. I suggest you do it by editing this page: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Goal_average&redirect=no , and replacing the re-direct on that page with your article. If you want to include examples like the one you mention, are you able to link to a wikipedia page with the league table, or if not then reference an external webpage with the league table? Mmitchell10 (talk) 18:17, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

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Test, ODI and T20I ranking tables

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Back in January you added the ICC Test, ODI and T20I Championship ranking tables to the articles on the teams that play any, or all, of these formats.

No doubt you had your heart in the right place when you made these additions. However, three months later, calls are being made for these tables to be removed - and, unfortunately, the users making these calls do make some good points on the WikiProject Cricket talk page.

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Thank you for going through all of these. Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:06, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

That's no problem, thank you. Mmitchell10 (talk) 09:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Yep, just about to post the same thing! Thanks for your hard work with this. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:53, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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@Escape Orbit: Thanks for taking the time to message, I appreciate it. However, I've looked into date formats quite a lot, and I believe you (and the essay you link to) are incorrect. This is easily determined, as in order to experiment I put the same 'date last updated' caveat on a couple of other similar articles. Therefore, please click on Ministry of Defence (Belgium). You should see, right at the bottom, the date the table was last updated is 9 Nov, even though today is 20 Nov. Presuming you've never been to the article before, that can't be a version cached on your own computer that you're retrieving, but you're retrieving what Wikipedia actually holds. Therefore ages are not calculated according to the date the page was delivered to your browser - this cannot be the case, as Wikipedia isn't going to convert the saved wikitext into HTML every time the article is called, that would be crazy. Instead Wikipedia itself uses caches. So whenever an editor changes the wikitext for an article, the article is converted to HTML, and a copy of the HTML is retained by Wikipedia, at which point the date difference is fixed until the next re-cache. This cached copy is what is sent whenever the article is called. The cached copies are also refreshed every now and then, without being prompted by an article edit, but when and if that happens is a matter of chance, it certainly doesn't happen every day. I'm not going to start an edit war on the Prime Minister page, so I'm not going to put it back in, but the person reverting me has mixed up automatic updating (which is true) with being updated every day (which is not). Thanks. (Though if you tell me you see 20 Nov on that Belgium page I will take all this back and have to re-consider everything I know!!) Mmitchell10 (talk) 18:48, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

I've done a bit of investigating across a few articles, and indeed you do appear to be correct. This is a surprise to me, as I've always considered it to be rendered at time of viewing. I wonder if this is something new, or a bug, or has always been like this and I've never noticed? I don't think I've seen any notes like you've added before. So either it has always been like this, and no-one has considered it worth mentioning, or this is something new. The documentation I've read so far is not precise enough to explain how and when the calculation occurs. I'll investigate further. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 17:31, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Escape Orbit:. Yes, I was very disappointed when I (quite recently) found out they don't update every day. Maybe it's always been that way but before I came along no one else has been geeky enough to feel the need to check the tenure lengths from one day to the next! I've been inspired to create a meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2021 proposal to change it. Mmitchell10 (talk) 08:35, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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I reverted one of your edits to Official state car. I had not realized that you moved the text there to a different article. I thought you were removing a large portion of text without consensus. My deepest apologies! Please forgive me. PeterPrettyCool (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi @PeterPrettyCool: That's no problem! Thanks for messaging. I see from your userpage that you're a new editor. Welcome! Thanks for joining. Mmitchell10 (talk) 17:33, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

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Merger proposed on British government frontbench

Hi, I saw you proposed a merger of British government frontbench and List of government ministers of the United Kingdom.

Official Opposition frontbench is the opposite or mirror of the former. Should they merge, what about this article? Further note - British government frontbench is not just about current ministers but also any new governments.

Just my input. Do reply here.

Thanks.

Condo951795 (talk) 06:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your suggestion. While it could be useful to see the ministers and their shadows paired up, overall I would think that Official Opposition frontbench should not be merged in as well. Firstly because the set of government ministers is a significant group of people in their own right, as they are the executive, and so I think they deserve their own article. But also on a practical note it would make the article quite complicated. The role titles in the government and the opposition sometimes don't match exactly, so it could start to get messy quite quickly. The two articles are already quite long. However, I think a mention of the Opposition frontbench is definitely merited in the lead section of the Gov frontbench, so I've added in a sentence. What do you think about the merge? Mmitchell10 (talk) 20:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I didn't suggest a merge of opposition and current government frontbench. Both articles should be kept as they change as 'benchers' changes during by- and general elections. It is up to users to update. Mostly I see the Opposition article more regularly updated. Simultaneously, there are similar articles - Second Johnson ministry for instance which is far more accurate - it provides which ministers have changes per time period. The List of government ministers of the United Kingdom is fairly good but names are not included and there are missing appointments such as junior whips. So no merger of any article should be made. But is there 'time and effort' to update all articles accurately? Condo951795 (talk) 03:06, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank You for withdrawing the merger. Condo951795 (talk) 07:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

No worries. I've also asked a separate, related question at Talk:List of government ministers of the United Kingdom, which you are welcome to contribute to. Mmitchell10 (talk) 07:47, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

FYI

New Crown office list in case you are interested.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3816473

Condo951795 (talk) 07:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Suella Braverman reappointed as Attorney General

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/10/suella-bravermans-return-maternity-forces-cabinet-mini-reshuffle/

"After a week of swirling rumours about a looming reshuffle, Boris Johnson finally conducted a shake-up of his front bench on Friday.

It was a modest change, however, that resulted from the return of Suella Braverman from maternity leave rather than the seismic restructuring of his top team that was widely anticipated.

The 41-year-old QC was reappointed Attorney General following six months off in the wake of the arrival of her second child.

She was the first Cabinet-level minister to take her entitlement to maternity leave, a move commended by equality campaigners. Previously only junior ministers, including Tracey Crouch and Kemi Badenoch, had taken time off after having children.

Mrs Braverman attended Cabinet earlier this week when the Prime Minister’s senior team met in person for the first time in 18 months, ending the era of video meetings that took place throughout the pandemic. She formally takes up her portfolio again next week.

Special legislation had to be passed by Parliament to enable her to take time off from her ministerial duties.

During her absence, she was designated Minister on Leave (Attorney General) while her deputy, Solicitor General Michael Ellis, served as Attorney General. His place was taken by Lucy Frazer, the prisons minister.

Number 10 confirmed on Friday that, as part of a mini-reshuffle, Mr Ellis and Ms Frazer would return to their previous roles."

FYI

Condo951795 (talk) 07:20, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Condo951795:, I wasn't aware this change was happening. Mmitchell10 (talk) 18:56, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Reshuffle

Can you check if everything is in order?

British Government frontbench

See https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-facing-commons-grilling-amid-whispers-cabinet-reshuffle-is-about-to-begin-politics-latest-12408484

Condo951795 (talk) 14:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@Condo951795: There are lots of changes that need to be made to British Government frontbench in the junior positions. (2021 British cabinet reshuffle lists them all). The Cabinet-level changes seem to be OK, except Nigel Adams doesn't appear in British Government frontbench. Mmitchell10 (talk) 10:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

right will be busy might make changes later. Do you want to help change? Condo951795 (talk) 13:11, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

British Government frontbench

I have updated British Government frontbench. Can you check and labelled the MPs and Lords who are in the PC and paid and unpaid properly? Thanks.

See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ministerial-appointments-september-2021

Condo951795 (talk) 03:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I've checked all the unpaid ones (I think), and some other ones at random, and made some changes. I can't claim to have checked every single last one though... Mmitchell10 (talk) 19:33, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Condo951795 (talk) 14:05, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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Parliamentary private secretaries

Why are they listed on Official Opposition frontbench but not on the other front bench teams?

Thoughts?

Condo951795 (talk) 14:21, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Condo951795: While PPSs are not ministers, they are bound by some aspects of the ministerial code, such as having to resign to vote against the government, so I think they're kind of in between, neither part of the government nor not part of the government. The Parliamentary Private Secretary article repeatedly says they're not part of the government, taking the line of The IFG, however the 'about' hatnote at the top of the PPS article says 'This article is about a UK government office', which just illustrates the confusion. I guess it could be argued that they're not part of the government but are part of the opposition frontbench, and therefore should not be included in the British Government frontbench article, but should be included in the Official Opposition frontbench article, but it's quite a tortuous position to take. I'm not sure what the right way ahead is. Pinging @FollowTheTortoise: who was previously interested in this. Mmitchell10 (talk) 22:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

The SNP and LibDem frontbench teams dont list them. The government and oppotion list dont mirror each other - the oppo shows PPS and revovling lists.Condo951795 (talk) 01:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Further reply: Clearly they do not sit on either frontbench - Not listed in this and this and as you stated, this is the role of a Parliamentary private secretary, they do not sit on either front bench. This line says it, "As they are not members of the government, PPSs are also barred from speaking or answering questions from the frontbench in parliament." There is also this. Condo951795 (talk) 03:41, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Condo951795: If you would like to remove them from the Oppo front bench article, citing consistency with the Gov, LibDem and SNP front bench articles, and maybe also adding an explanation on the Oppo front bench's talk page, then personally I'd support that.Mmitchell10 (talk) 21:38, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I would but I'm not an expert with tables. Have added a disclaimer on the oppo bench article.Condo951795 (talk) 10:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For all your editing and help. Merry Christmas. Condo951795 (talk) 03:50, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

@Condo951795: Thank you so much, a great Christmas present! Mmitchell10 (talk) 15:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

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@North8000: Thanks for reviewing. I don't disagree with your comments, however, the comments apply equally to plenty of other similar articles. For example, Shadow Secretary of State for Wales, Shadow Secretary of State for Defence, Permanent Under-Secretary of State of the Home Office, Minister for Children (United Kingdom). I think these articles are in an even worse state!, with fewer sources, or even no sources, and even less commentary about the position. No doubt they are all important articles, and will continue to evolve going forward. Mmitchell10 (talk) 19:35, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for you work. My post was intended mostly as a "good start and thanks for your work" post. North8000 (talk) 23:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Cool, thank you, I appreciate it :-) Mmitchell10 (talk) 18:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

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September 2022

Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to Division by zero, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:03, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@LaundryPizza03:How is it original research to state that Brazil in the 1958 FIFA World Cup Group 4 had no Goal Ratio because they conceded zero goals, so GR can't be calculated? It's a well-established fact, as the table of Standings in the Wikipedia article about Group 4 makes clear. Mmitchell10 (talk) 16:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

In order to avoid WP:SYNTH, we will need a source which explicitly states that this calculation requires division by zero. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@LaundryPizza03:I accept that technically you might be correct, however I think it's an extremely harsh judgement, given that the contribution I added is not remotely controversial, and further, a far higher standard is being imposed on it than even the rest of the Division by zero article achieves. For example, there isn't a single reference in the 'Elementary arithmetic' section, and only 1 reference in the lengthy 'Computer arithmetic' section, so how come they survive? In comparison, the contribution I added is full of references to respected, reliable sources, even if, strictly speaking, they haven't fully joined every last dot of explicitly making the connection to the concept of division by zero. Mmitchell10 (talk) 06:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Updated list of UK Cabinet Committees

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-cabinet-committees-system-and-list-of-cabinet-committees

FYI

TShape12 (talk) 03:42, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Mmitchell10 (talk) 15:22, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

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