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TFA

I am trying to promote Henry Hoʻolulu Pitman for TFA. Can you possibly give some opinions and help my draft at User:KAVEBEAR/sandbox#Nom. Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:55, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

@KAVEBEAR: I just read it, and I think you did quite well with the summary. It's stated well, it flows well. It appears to be under 1,500 characters. The only thing I would suggest, if there is a way to do this with punctuation or a word or two is "Born in Hilo, Hawaii to a merchant from Massachusetts and a member of the Hawaiian nobility" looks like you mean only one parent. His mother was the Hawaiian nobility, right? Maybe well placed commas? Other than that, I think it reads well. Sometimes admins at TFA do a tweak of the summary as it nears time to be on the front page. Good job on writing that. — Maile (talk) 22:02, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Fix Queue 1?

Maile, since you're around at the moment, can you please fix Queue 1? I posted about the problem at WT:DYK a little while ago: DYKUpdateBot didn't do the "empty the queue" step or the "update to the next queue" step at the end of its midnight promotion, though the queue made it safely to the main page. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:51, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

BlueMoonset Good timing - I was just getting ready to shut down my computer. I emptied Queue 1 and shifted it to the bottom. However, I don't have time to take care of the individual nominations/nominators notifications, which the bot also missed. — Maile (talk) 02:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Actually, the bot finished the article and nominator notifications, so we're set there. It was just the final two steps that weren't done. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Salutations and Kudos!!!

Maille 66,

I was recently checking on some of my work that had been used on Wikipedia and found that a reference had been edited out. At first I was kinda pissed because I've worked diligently to further the studies of Texas History, Native American studies and the Southwest. It was one of my few accomplishments that I had achieved in this field. It's really just a labor of love for a subject matter that remains very dear to me. I began researching the edits and reviewed the changes on the page, "Runaway Scrape", and came away very impressed with your work, organization and presentation of facts. If I am not mistaken you're the person that undertook this endeavor and I want to applaud your work, even if it means losing a reference to some small piece I did years ago. After all, when you get down to it, it's the care for the subject matter that we hold in common and I appreciate all the work you so obviously put in on this project.

May I be so bold as to offer my assistance in any of your future projects. I speak/read Spanish pretty well and it's been extremely gratifying to sit over some old documents and be able to interpret that antiquated Castilian Spanish that permeates so much of our Texas heritage. I'm a University of Texas grad (1982) with a B.A. in photojournalism who picked up writing later on in my career. The article that the page used to reference was part of a series I did for Enchanted Rock Magazine back during the 90's. Several websites, Texas A & M among them, used the piece for educational purposes by posting it on the web and sharing it with other groups and institutions. John Graves and A.C. Greene were two of our most important mentors when we were publishing. They were both nice enough to drop us a line every now and again to compliment (or disparage) our work.

That's one of the things that makes history so intriguing to me, you're never finished! May I toss my hat into this ring? All kidding aside, if there's anything I might be able to offer you some help with, please let me know. I have some knowledge of some pretty obscure stuff and would enjoy sharing it.

I am and shall remain, sir, your humble servant. 2602:302:D124:AC10:9D34:D61E:32D:66C4 (talk) 00:02, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Why are you resetting the DYK timer?

Maile66, DYK is automatically set so that it moves 15 minutes each set until it's back to midnight UTC. This way, each set equally shares in the pain of losing 15 minutes, or gains an extra 15 minutes. In this case, your recent edit is shortchanging one set by 40 minutes instead of 15. Please revert your change. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:02, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

I was trying to correct it, and not getting it correct. When DYK was late 12 hours ago, it knocked it off the regular schedule by an hour and 45 minutes later than we normally run the updates. I've been trying to correct it back to do the updates how it was set before the late updates this morning. Sorry. I'm going to stop messing with it now. — Maile (talk) 01:05, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

The point is you shouldn't be correcting it. We have an automated protocol for when an update is late, and it automatically adjusts each set by 15 minutes to gradually get back to the regular time. It's been running for years, and working just fine. Please leave it alone from now on. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:11, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Got it. — Maile (talk) 01:12, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

1892 Legislative Session of the Kingdom of Hawaii

Do you mind taking a look at this to see if you anything to add? It doesn't do justice to the complicated topic but is a good start for now.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:53, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR I'll read through later on today, when I have more time to concentrate on it. Visually, it looks good. But I'll spend more time on it later. — Maile (talk) 12:51, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

 Done Comments on the article's talk page. Good job on this. — Maile (talk) 17:18, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

corporate social responsibility page

please do not delete what have already written. i have changed the artillery into a better article i promise. this is part of a project for my business ethics class which is to edit a wiki page under business ethics and i got extremely confused. instead of editing on the sandbox , i was editing on the main wiki page, but then after edited it on the sandbox and then tried to move it to the main page. please revise the changes i made. i fuel as if i have contributed to a better understanding on corporate social responsibility and it is part of my gradeVlope127 (talk) 01:04, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

You just deleted a non-empty category as empty

Category:Dead_Hot_Workshop_albums. Please restore (and its talk page). Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:30, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

 Done — Maile (talk) 12:11, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

just so you know

This isn't actually a hoax. There really is such a person. And there really is media coverage of him — although it's almost entirely social media, local interest, and promo stuff. And he really does claim to have MAGICAL MIRACULOUS GOD-GIVEN PRECOGNITIVE POWERS. And the media coverage really does accept that uncritically.

I'm not saying that the deletion was invalid. Just that your rationale was flawed. DS (talk) 15:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

OK. Well, yeah, as far as the deletion, it had been deleted twice before by others. But I understand what you're saying. — Maile (talk) 15:19, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Queue 6 should be in Queue 5

Maile, for some reason Mifter promoted Prep 5 to Queue 6 last night, supposedly to make room for special occasion hooks, but there's nothing being saved for those days, and the George Washington-related hooks have already been promoted to Queue 4 (February 20; official holiday) and Prep 2 (February 22, actual birthdate). Can you please move Queue 6 to Queue 5, where it belongs? Even if there might be a potential hook somewhere for February 21, that's no reason to cause an out-of-order promotion; we can easily add a hook in queue and move the extra one somewhere else. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:55, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

On it. — Maile (talk) 15:59, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I've just posted to Mifter's page to mention that I've asked you to move it and why. I would have asked Mifter, but it's the wrong time of day to get a prompt response. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:03, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Switch all taken care of now. — Maile (talk) 16:05, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Maile66!

Happy New Year!

Maile66,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Donner60 (talk) 09:31, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

More Queue 1 edits

Maile, I was hoping you could fix the formatting of "Uris Buildings Corporation's": the apostrophe-s should not be bolded or part of the link. Here's the way it should be: Uris Buildings Corporation's

By the way, the rule is that the bolding apostrophes should always be outside the link to the promoted article. So "Pearl" should be Pearl—or, better, HMS Pearl (I think it's misleading to omit the "HMS").

Thanks for whatever you can do. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:18, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing these out. Happy to help. — Maile (talk) 14:26, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Karanacs and Texas Revolution

Karanacs is Suspended and de-adminned for inactivity. It's quite plain that you're creating false-flag reports to cover your own edits at this point.

You may either revert yourself and start behaving in a manner comporting with wikipedia, or be reported to WP:ANI and potentially Arbcom for promoting a racist source, stalling tactics, and abuse of your admin powers as an WP:INVOLVED admin. Your choice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.121.220 (talk) 00:45, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

• Note to self for historical reference: Per SPI SkepticAnonymous this IP and others are likely socks of SkepticAnonymous, which caused disruptive editing/deletions on Texas Revolution before. Advice from SPI is to block any future IP edits on the Texas Revolution that page follow the the same pattern as before, objecting to a particular source on the assertion that it is racist and demanding all content related to it being deleted, without any evidence. The one source listed on TR talk page was a A&M blog by a "Book editor" who disagreed on some historical data, but none of it had to do with race. — Maile (talk) 18:16, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Henry N. Clark

Do you know who Henry N. Clark was? He seems to have been a turn of the century musician or composer and recorded Aloha Oe with Nani Alapai. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:17, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Does this help: Henry N. Clark's Hawaiian Serenaders (Vocal group). Justices Find Clark Heir of His Late Wife (who was Alexandrina Leihulu?), Henry N. Clark Cited to Answer, Henry N. Clark, Proprietor Hazel Dell Farm, Halifax Co. North Carolina, Elks Service (Clark is singing a baratone solo) Lots of mentions in the Hawaii newspapers, and it looks like he was a businessman who had a musical group on the side. — Maile (talk) 01:33, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I was looking for a more condense biography. It's hard and tedious to solely piece together his life base on newspaper account,--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:02, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Ok. Sorry, but other than what I just found, I never heard of him before. — Maile (talk) 02:03, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Your comment

I hope you don't mind but I have moved the comment you posted on WP:AE because that section is for uninvolved administrators and from your comment it was apparent that you are "involved", if not with this particular incident but previously with similar incidents. So it would be appropriate for you to make a statement but not attempt to judge the outcome of the appeal. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:49, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

MSGJ Thank you for the courtesy of letting me know. I'm OK with what you did. — Maile (talk) 15:52, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Newspaper abbreviation

Do you know what the abbreviations at the end of this phrase (To revive early poi dog A 5/18/67 D8:1 [1]) means? --KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:29, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR Don't know. Sorry. — Maile (talk) 12:09, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

(by talk page stalker) @KAVEBEAR: My guess is that you've linked to an index of newspaper articles. The letter A refers to the The Honolulu Advertiser. The article title is truncated (I can't find it on that page) but it was published on 18 May 1967 page D8 column 1. I apologize if that much was obvious. You'd have to find that page of that issue of the newspaper to decipher it. Chris Troutman (talk) 12:25, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:26, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

FAC request

Hi. Could you do a source review for my FAC? One already happened, but the coordinator requested someone more experienced to do it. If you can't, please reply. Thanks. MCMLXXXIX 08:07, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

MCMLXXXIX I'll look at it later today. I might be a little out of my depth on that type of sourcing, but I'll see what I can do. — Maile (talk) 11:59, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

MCMLXXXIX Well, I gave this a thorough read through, and feel I don't know enough about the subject matter to know what is expected of the sourcing. I posted a request for you at WT:FAC. Sorry I could not have been more help for you. Good luck with the nomination. — Maile (talk) 13:13, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

This page may be able to help you, WP:A&M/I. If not, thanks for doing what you could. MCMLXXXIX 13:49, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Monument of States

Hello! Your submission of Monument of States at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Borsoka (talk) 02:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Heads up

[2] (now gone) --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. — Maile (talk) 15:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Urgent DYK admin request

Maile, it looks like Mifter forgot to add a DYKbotdo to Queue 4 when he loaded it. He does seem to have added it to Queue 5 and the others; the template in Queue 5 was: {{DYKbotdo|[[User:Mifter|Mifter]] ([[User talk:Mifter|talk]])}}

If you could add that to the top of Queue 4 that would be great. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:43, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done — Maile (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks. I was wondering whether you might consider promoting the Template:Did you know nominations/John Outhouse hook that's on the Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know page to Queue 4. If you're willing, it might be nice if you inserted it in a place that broke up the four hooks in a row that have the bold hook start with the second word. (Note: I know we have eight hooks there already, but they're very short. Tomorrow's page with Queue 4 is going to be very unbalanced without any additions... BlueMoonset (talk) 22:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Did I do it like you wanted? — Maile (talk) 23:20, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it looks good. However, the DYKbotdo needs to be placed on the very first line, before the noinclude tag; where it is, inside the noinclude, it can't be seen by the bot, and it won't be promoted. Please move it to the top of the page. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:39, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

OK. — Maile (talk) 23:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Commas

Hi there. I'm not in the mood for a fight, but check out the following on the comma section of the Style Manual (MOS:COMMA).

Incorrect: He set October 1, 2011 as the deadline for Chattanooga, Oklahoma to meet his demands.

Correct: He set October 1, 2011, as the deadline for Chattanooga, Oklahoma, to meet his demands.

If you think about it, the versions without the commas don't read right: you're opening something that you subsequently fail to close. But whatevs. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:45, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree. There should be a comma after "Oklahoma". But I came here to mention something else, Maile66. First, let me congratulate you on the promotion of your article to FAC and having it appear on the main page. I am enjoying reading the article. I was dismayed, however, to find "4 1/2" in the last paragraph of the lead. This is not an article on science, mathematics, or technology, so there is not, in my opinion, any reason to use such a number. I urge you to change it to words: four and a half. Best regards,  – Corinne (talk) 02:32, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Margaret Lea Houston

This is to let you know that the Margaret Lea Houston article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 11 April 2017. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 11, 2017. Thanks! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:33, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the First Llady of Texas! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:54, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Would you have time for a DYK review or two? Section Easter on the DYKTALK, - several days to go, but the preps are already full. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:45, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I'll have a look later. It might be a few hours before I get to it, but I'll look. — Maile (talk) 12:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

All done except for a QPQ from you. — Maile (talk) 20:04, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I missed to mention it, sorry. Now in the nom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

TexasHistory2017

I've just had a complaint from TexasHistory2017 about their block via our #wikipedia IRC channel. I'd appreciate any information you could supply about the block before I advise TexasHistory2017 how they should go about appealing the block. Thanks. Nick (talk) 21:58, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Nick Thank you for asking. The short of this can be found at Talk:Texas Revolution. We have had an problem with socks from a prolific master. This appears to be one and the same. Same issue, same rant, profanity, name calling. At times, content was deleted. The socks have been blocked by other editors at times in the past. Much of this has been done via IPs. See March 8 entry for SPI, where the checkuser advised to just block if they showed up again. Edits have had to be redacted as personal attacks on Wikipedia editors. This is an obsession that goes back a couple of years, about one issue and one issue only, the editor doesn't like one of the sources on the Texas Revolution article. Karanacs, who used the source in the article, tried to address this on the talk page, and finally addressed this latest on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:TexasHistory2017_reported_by_User:Karanacs_.28Result:indeffed.29, and you can see where they filed ANI against me. ANI. — Maile (talk) 22:21, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Nick, there was also this quasi-threat from that editor on my talk page. — Maile (talk) 22:35, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

TFA

Thank you for today's King Kalākaua's world tour, "an effort by Hawaii's last king to save the dwindling Hawaiian race by supplementing the population with imported labor from similar cultures", and the chapel above! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

The pleasure was all mine. — Maile (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

NRHP document referencing

Monument of States pic from article & main page

Hi Maile66, I noticed the great DYK with photo on main page for your article Monument of States. Great work! In this edit I tried refining the NRHP registration document reference to include the authors and date of preparation, but find that it messes up the article somewhat, as you have multiple notes referring to it as "Dept. of the Interior" as if that is the author. Especially as it is a DYK on the main page, I don't want to add unnecessary confusion, so in the next edit I reverted myself.

But, it is general practice now in NRHP articles for the authors and date of preparation, which appear in Section 11 of the NRHP Registration form (in older cases, labelled NRHP Inventory/Nomination instead), to be used in the reference. The Department of the Interior is the "author" perhaps of the blank form, but not of the filled-out content. It would be more specific to identify the National Park Service, which is within the Department of the Interior, but that would still be misleading. Only very few NRHP nomination documents, most from back in the 1960s, were filled out by National Park Service employees. The majority are by private parties, sometimes consultants working on behalf of a property owner. There are also many filled in by state or local government staff, which applies in the Monument of States NRHP document. Section 11 is on page 4, and shows "Estabrook, Desiree; Hart, Michael, Florida State Historic Preservation Office staff" in the "Form prepared by" field. What I would do, personally, is show "Desiree Estabrook and Michael Hart" as authors, without mentioning the Florida SHPO. Your approach has some merit in showing an institutional aspect of the authorship, while the way I do it completely omits that.

For example, the following is a typical reference used by me in another article: <ref name=nrhpdoc>{{cite web|url={{NRHP url|id=87001429}}|title=National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: South Metter Residential Historic District |publisher=[[National Park Service]]|author=Janice E. Adams and Richard Cloues |date=1988 |accessdate=April 9, 2017 }} With {{NRHP url|id=87001429|photos=y|title=36 photos from 1986}}.</ref>

Would you see your way to revising your referencing in the article? Either way, thank you for your contribution of the article, and I hope you will continue your great work. Cheers, --doncram 16:49, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed you started to do that on this article. Sometimes you can't read the name of the person filling out the form, which is how I started just saying it was Dept. of Interior. On this particular article? I'll take care of it later today. Thanks for mentioning. — Maile (talk) 17:03, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

@Doncram: Hi, I stumbled on this conversation somehow and I want to thank you for pointing out this format for NRHP citations. I'm going to start using it when I have to cite an NRHP document. Its so much better than the "recommended" cite format for those that I've seen in the help pages. (That one doesn't include author or date, or a separate photos link). Have you thought about building a template around the whole thing to make it even easier? Something like {{NHRPmagic|87001429|South Metter Residential Historic District|Janice E. Adams|1988|April 9, 2017|36|1986}} to expand to what you have above? Just a thought. I'm not an expert on template building so I don't know how hard that might be, nor what the rules are on getting something like that past the various gatekeepers. --Krelnik (talk) 12:15, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Template:DYK bottom/doc

Greetings, wanted to ask about the protection here. Normally /doc pages are not high risk at all unless they are shared between very many templates, which is not the case here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:18, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Rothschild family

Thank you for the semi-protection of Rothschild family. An editor who has not edited for four years has turned up and started removing or downplaying the anti-Semitic elements of the conspiracy theories about them. Please could you take a look at the article history and the talk page? Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 01:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

• Commented there. Maybe not what you wanted, but the presentation needs work. — Maile (talk) 18:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hawaiian suffragette

Do you know anything about Mrs. John W. Dorsett mentioned here? I've been trying to piece together the story of the Hawaiian women suffrage movement. She seems to be the leader of the local women club.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:26, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR Nothing comes up in my usual resources. Have you seen Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red#Resources? Megalibrarygirl is the Librarian in Residence and might be able to help you with this. — Maile (talk) 11:37, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Heimlich maneuver

Hi, just a quick reminder that, for a redirect to work, the redirect syntax must be at the very start of the page's code. Adding anything else at the beginning, be it content text or a template, will break the redirect. — Smjg (talk) 23:06, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, and for making the correction. — Maile (talk) 23:08, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hazel Jane Raines

Hey I noticed from your edits on Georgia Women of Achievement that you're working on Hazel Jane Raines. I had noticed her too, but hadn't started on anything yet. Except, I had already worked out an Authority Control box for her, thought I would pass it along for your use. (Some of the links lead to some more obscure stuff about her that I hadn't noticed in googling). Let me know if you're cool with others poking in your sandbox and I'll pop my head in there when you are further along. (I didn't want to do it unannounced). Cheers.

--Krelnik (talk) 23:21, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Krelnik would you like for us to work on this together? I'm cool with that. This actually came about as a side article while I was researching the Georgia NRHP 63rd Army Air Forces Contract Pilot School (Primary). National Register of Historic Places listings in Coffee County, Georgia. She isn't directly related to that school, but both are tied in to the Civilian Pilot Training Program. So, yeah, edit away. What I did on the sandbox today was notes from the Chirhart book listed at the bottom of the page. Much of it was verbatim copy just to get my bearings. But, yeah, go ahead and edit on this one in my Sandbox if you like. I welcome the input. — Maile (talk) 23:29, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Here's where I'm working on the school: Marker. — Maile (talk) 23:32, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I threw a couple things in. --Krelnik (talk) 13:01, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Chirhart 2014 in Hazel Raines

Hey I poked my head into your Hazel Raines sandbox, and I noticed you are using a book I also cited in another article I just finished. But you were citing it as "Chirhart 2014" when in fact Chirhart is just the editor of the book, not the author of the chapter in question. I fixed this for you, including fixing up existing references. That book should now be cited as "Hudson 2014". Let me know if you have any issues. --Krelnik (talk) 15:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

I see that now. Good thing you're keeping an eye on this. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 15:28, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Krelnik Hazel Jane Raines is now in article main space. Feel free to edit if you see something that needs to be done. Thanks for your help on this. — Maile (talk) 19:05, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Beluga Point Site

Hi there!

I agree with all other modifications you made to Beluga Point Site and won't change anything back, but the whole point of a NHRP restricted address is to avoid vandals having precise geographical references and therefore actually helping them in scavenging and stealing prehistoric artefacts (the information, in many cases, can still be easily obtained from the referenced material, but at least it's a couple clicks away). In removing the coordinates, even when well known, i've referred to several talks about the issue in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. Since the article is about the NHRP Beluga Point Site and not generically the Beluga Point geographic place, i thought (and still i'm convinced) it would be better not to disclose them.

ProprioMe OW (talk) 06:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

ProprioMe OW Coordinates removed. Thank you. — Maile (talk) 11:55, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Hawaiian suffragette

Do you know anything about Mrs. John W. Dorsett mentioned here? I've been trying to piece together the story of the Hawaiian women suffrage movement. She seems to be the leader of the local women club.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:26, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR Nothing comes up in my usual resources. Have you seen Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red#Resources? Megalibrarygirl is the Librarian in Residence and might be able to help you with this. — Maile (talk) 11:37, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

@Maile66 and KAVEBEAR:, I'll look into her today. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:57, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Leo Carrillo on stage and screen

Shortly after the article passed the FL status, I noticed that it has extensively used IMDb as a reference. I think you are aware that its not considered a reliable source. I had also mentioned it in the articles talk page but no one responded. I suggest you to replace it with better sources. Yashthepunisher (talk) 16:54, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

WP:ARBPIA3#500/30

You need to log the protection here: Wikipedia:Arbitration_enforcement_log#Palestine-Israel_articles --NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:34, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Done. — Maile (talk) 11:18, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I just moved the entry as new entries are added to the bottom. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:16, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

HSA

The office records archive from Hawaii State Archives is back in order. Besides the office records there are lot of interesting resources including a thirty-two card record of the kingdom's army commission from 1861 to 1892[3].--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:53, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Aki's affidavits

I am sure you are aware of Junius Kaʻae and the Aki opium license bribery incident. Sounds just as bad as Trump to be honest. Well, Kuykendall mentions twelve affidavits released by Aki. Do you know where I can find them? I see a lot of sources about Aki, Kaae and the incident but not many printing the affidavits.----KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:44, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Not something I've been able to find. Papakilo Database is sometimes a good search tool, but I didn't find anything that looked like the affidavits. — Maile (talk) 13:30, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Dubai

I see you semi-protected the Dubai article for a month because of vandalism. Isn't a month a bit too long for an article which had only one day of vandalism edits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debresser (talk • contribs) date (UTC) 14:15, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

What I see on the edit history is more than one day. There has been removal of content/sourcing since last week. — Maile (talk) 15:04, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Apart from one vandalism edit,[4] the other edits that were reverted were not vandalism. They were perhaps inferior edits or unexplained removals, but not vandalism. And those we always have on this article. I feel that 3 days or a week would have been enough, I could even understand two weeks to be on the safe side, but a month is overkill and restricts IPs from contributing to this article, which is still developing rather dynamically. I'd ask you to reconsider and shorten to a week. Debresser (talk) 17:44, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done Shortened to a week. Thanks for catching this. — Maile (talk) 17:54, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for being receptive to comments. Debresser (talk) 18:48, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

178.222.116.11 IP User

You recently declined to block this user. But if you look at their recent edits. It is the same exact edits they were warned about 4 times before and just a day ago made the same vadlism edits. It is definitely the same person throughout. Edit history makes it obviouse that it is the same one person.108.54.93.183 (talk) 21:41, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

• I declined it on the basis of the last warning was 11 days ago, and no warnings since. With an IP address, the current person who uses the IP and whoever used it 11 days before could have been different editors. There needed to be a more current warning for the latest incidents. And there still have been no warnings since May 6. Please feel free to re-nominate this at AIV. I'll abstain from the re-nomination. — Maile (talk) 21:55, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

No worries, I respect your point. I won't renominate it. But what do I do if the person continues to make the same abusive edits? Is there a different board I have to post it in? Thanks. 108.54.93.183 (talk) 22:04, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

What you do the next time, as soon as you see it, is put a warning on their talk page. Then re-nominate it at AIV immediately. The background of all those old warnings on the talk page do stand as some sort of record. But there needs to be a current warning related to the date that IP once again shows vandalism/disruptive edits. Thank you for the courtesy of asking me about this. — Maile (talk) 22:15, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Understood. Thanks!108.54.93.183 (talk) 23:09, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Jordan

Why is the article under protection now? Makeandtoss (talk) 00:17, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

• Jordan per WP:RPP — Maile (talk) 00:20, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Gary "Roach" Sanderson: There are several more countries that played a key role in the Arab-Israeli conflict. Protection is aimed at preventing vandalism, Jordan was a peaceful untouched article, rarely subject to any type of vandalism relating to this conflict. The protection is useless and unnecessary. Makeandtoss (talk) 00:50, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Makeandtoss Let me make a suggestion here. First of all, when I asked for clarification of this particular policy a few weeks ago, the arbitration seems to say "if requested, just do it" scenario. So, in fairness to you and all other editors of this article, I would like to suggest you take this to "Current requests for reduction in protection level" at WP:RFPP. I won't oppose this being reduced, but I really think there needs to be another admin other than me weighing in. And a different admin needs to be the one to reduce it for the sake of balance. RFPP is a better place for that conversation to happen. — Maile (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss and Gary "Roach" Sanderson: I copied this thread to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Jordan where more eyes can see this and have input. Please continue this conversation there. Thank you for asking me about it. — Maile (talk) 01:28, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Jordan

"Please post requests in this section for removing or reducing the protection level of a page if the protecting admin is inactive or you have already asked them." Admin at WP:RPP does not seem to be convinced. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:59, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

See WP:ARCA

The question of how to appeal ECP is indirectly at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Clarification request: Discretionary sanctions (2014). Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

blocked institutional IP address Comment

The IP address 156.62.9.152 does not represent an single individual; it belongs to a university so it makes no sense to block it. Please unblock it, as your block is preventing me from editing from my work computer using my verified account. Tayste (edits) 22:17, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Tayste I unblocked it, because looking at it now, a month's block did seem long for that IP. — Maile (talk) 22:25, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks Tayste (edits) 22:56, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

NRHP referencing style

Thanks for noticing that i refined the NRHP document reference at U.S. Army Supply Base New Orleans article which you recently created. I notice that the way you and some others do referencing is a good way, different and probably better than how I have been doing it, especially if there are multiple citations to different page numbers. What I've been doing and have written up in wp:NRHPhelp and/or wp:NRHPFAQ and/or wp:NRHPMOS is just using one in-line reference invoked multiple times, plus {{rp}} notes after each usage). I would like to write up what you do as a good or better alternative; do you have any comments or pointers in doing so? I don't have the vocabulary to speak about it. Anyhow, whether any write-up or not happens, you're doing a nice job.

By the way, that one is an example where the NRHP document is on a "featured property" page, and the document combines in photographs that otherwise are separate. What I write up is partly to encourage editors to include links to the accompanying photos document with phrase like "With nine photos from 1986". In a combo reference like this one, I'd also mention the photos, come to think of it, to sort of stay parallel and to clarify that there's more in the PDF than just the text document. --doncram 23:54, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

My editing style/sourcing tends to evolve as I get involved with more editors and review processes. If I like what I see, I try using that for a while. And a lot of it comes from, "hmmm ... I wonder how I could ... " do things like combine references, or whatever. And I really revamped how I do sourcing when I was (and still am) working on articles involving Hawaiian royalty; those tend to involve a lot of sourcing that includes books and journals and other sources where different page numbers are used throughout the article.

With me on NRHP, I try to come up with a reference or two that is in addition to the NPS forms, just for the sake of having a separate source tossed in. But as far as style, most of what I do comes from Template:Harvard citation documentation. It's really an individual choice, but maybe you could find some NRHP articles where you like the style, and link those as examples.

I'll have a look tomorrow at the pages you linked. I had no idea those existed. When I started doing NRHP, I was flying blind on referencing, hoping I got it correct. I'm not sure when I started on NRHP, but late 2010 or early 2011; and in many ways, NRHP served as a teaching tool for me on how to reference and how to build an article. — Maile (talk) 00:26, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Doncram Just a heads up. The last few weeks/months I've been trying to update, clean out, organize my resources list by state. Looking through the link you gave above for NRHP Resources, I know of some state databases and such, while not limited to NRHP, might be helpful to individuals. I'm going through the states today and will be adding sourcing to the NRHP list. — Maile (talk) 13:16, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

That would be great, and thanks for the note. Also I should qualify that what's covered about referencing in the NRHP help pages is not great and is outdated. There is explicit discussion at wp:NRHPMOS which is very outdated. However there is some recent stuff within wp:NRHPhelp, e.g. sample reference that I included in the "National Archives Catalog" section and the sample reference I provide for Louisiana state's system in the "Louisiana" section. But I see it does not properly discuss references to NPS Focus system-provided NRHP registration documents, nor to the "Featured property" type registration documents. By "Featured property"-type ones I mean like the one you used for U.S. Army Supply Base New Orleans, which was linked from https://www.nps.gov/nr/feature/places/15001014.htm where you may note "feature" is in the URL (and it is in the URL of the linked PDF). I don't know the status of the NPS's "Featured Property" program, but it started out with their doing one featured property per week within their weekly new NRHP listings. For the regular listings, there was no PDF available until much later within the NPS Focus system; for the "featured" one a splash page plus the full PDF were made available. Now maybe all or nearly all new listings get that treatment, and the NPS Focus system is atrophying. I look forward to seeing your additions about state-specific resources (including not-specifically-NRHP-related), and I will try to fix up what I can, too. Cheers, --doncram 18:12, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

TFL notification

Hi, Maile. I'm just posting to let you know that Audie Murphy honors and awards – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for May 29. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 21:23, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Much appreciated. — Maile (talk) 21:26, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I just noticed that at Wikipedia:Today's featured list/May 29, 2017, in both the opening sentence and the photo caption, U.S. has a space, ie appears as U. S. On the list page Audie Murphy honors and awards the U and the S appear (at least to me) on separate lines.JennyOz (talk) 04:17, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Austin Jones

I'm wondering how the Austin Jones (YouTuber) article counts as an attack page. When I look up what it means to "disparage," the dictionary says, to "regard or represent as being of little worth."

I never wrote "Austin Jones is a worthless piece of shit" or anything like that. I just wrote that he's a popular YouTuber who got charged with child porn offenses, and I provided a source for those statements. Compy book (talk) 01:48, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Actually, I was looking at the CSD message from the nominator that listed both A7 and G10. Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, will give you more details. But that's why it happened. It is a BLP, and while you did put a source at the end, it had no link, so there was no way to check if it was a credible source. — Maile (talk) 01:59, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

User signature issue

I'm not naming the editor on AN atm, because then I'd have to inform him of the discussion. Take a look at Hullaballoo Wolfowitz's signature. "Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006" indicates contempt of admins. Mjroots (talk) 19:52, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I've seen that before, and wondered when I saw it why nobody said anything. Actually, that user has been on Wikipedia since 2006. Maybe everybody thinks it's a joke, and maybe it is. I'm pretty sure all admins are aware of this one. — Maile (talk) 19:59, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Mjroots - I could be wrong but I believe this was mentioned at ANI at some point last year or the year before and I think people were fine with it?, It may not of been ANI but it was certainly somewhere on the project so you may want to check the ANI archives. –Davey2010^Talk 21:42, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

@Mjroots and Maile66: I think that at some point something was said along those lines already- as it now only refers to 'many' admins. Whereas it used to refer to just 'admins' i.e., the whole lot of you :) e.g. [5] — fortunavelut luna 06:35, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Davey2010 and Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, thanks for that. Seems that the issue has been dealt with before. Better things to waste my time on that this. Will post note at WP:AN. Mjroots (talk) 07:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Can you please help me

Hello sorry to disturb you I am Anoptimistix if you can remember few days back you have shown trust upon me and granted New page patrolling rights, I did my level best and patrolled more than 300 pages You can check my patrol log, I hope I have lived up to your trust.

I had a small request which was concerning me since several days that's why I am here to request from you for help. The concern was that I am a frequent articles creater, but my articles many of my create articles are yet to be reviewed as most of them are at backlog of NPP, I have created several notable articles about notable person, notable songs and organisations till now. I had initially applied for Autopatrolled rights, I had also brought several nominations at Autopatrolled rights. But I was denied it because at that time I had largely created articles about music like songs, the problem was that though my articles had reliable references but it had film discussion in it.

As I come from India, the music industry here is different from the West. Film industry here is established from long time, film usually have 6-10 songs many of them are notable. But they are film songs ,the reliable coverages usually have discussion about he film associated with it. Hopefully independent music like singles and albums are growing now.

But apart from music I also create articles about notable person, organisations, companies etc. Most of the articles remains unreviewed for long time as I don't have autopatrolled rights, working at NPP I understand there are huge workload there and I know I cannot complain.

I haven't added any unsourced potentially harmful content in my created articles till now neither I wish to do so in future. Requesting you to please grant me autopatrolled rights. Anoptimistix Let's Talk 10:16, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Anoptimistix It's helpful to provide a link to the last request. I see Schwede66 denied the one June 25, 2017. While I applaud your enthusiasm, I don't feel comfortable going around the system on granting user rights. Those request pages serve as an attribution log for the process. I would recommend you make a new request at Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled. It's been a month, and you've edited a lot since then. And good luck. — Maile (talk) 17:29, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Recent WP:ARBPIA3#500/30 protection

Hi Maile. Could you explain why you felt Jordan fell under that Arbitration Committee motion? Note that the motion only covers the Arab-Israeli conflict reasonably construed, which is more restrictive than the more common broadly construed. While there is certainly some content about the topic area on the page, I'm hesitant to interpret that motion as covering things as broadly-reaching as a country in the region. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 03:06, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

originating RPP, my talk page discussion on this, RFPP discussion, Arb discussion. I did it by the book, according to this from NeilN. Please refer to the linked discussions. If you want to flip the decision, I couldn't care less. But as for the argument of the editor who argued at RFPP, "The country of Jordan is older than the conflict. Jordan is a high level article and it is not "relating to the Arab–Israeli conflict", Jordan invaded Palestine in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. If going to war in the conflict does not make it part of that, then what does? Revert it, argue it again at RPFF or Arbcom, whatever you feel you need to do.— Maile (talk) 11:20, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@BU Rob13 and Maile66: I'm having an email discussion with Arbcom about this general issue right now. Hopefully we can come up with a good clarifying request. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 13:35, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

THANK YOU!! — Maile (talk) 13:43, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Update?

Any updates on the Jordan article? Makeandtoss (talk) 21:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Other than today's RFPP declined request for unprotecting the article, I have not heard another word about it. NeilN, have you heard anything? — Maile (talk) 21:31, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I've been sick the last week (and just before I'm going on vacation) so I've not been keeping up with the proceedings. Will catch up this week. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:08, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Class and importance on project banners

It doesn't affect articles. Articles should still be assessed as Stub/Start/C in the normal way (or indeed B, GA, A or FA if they are judged to have met the relevant criteria) and given an importance of Top/High/Mid/Low depending on their importance to the WikiProject in question. Templates and categories, however, generally shouldn't have any "importance" and are classed automatically, hence my removing it in those cases. --20:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. — Maile (talk) 21:05, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Texas Revolution

Saw an IP making edits to the page, and while they weren't great, the idea of a one-para summary right at the top seemed appealing and justifiable. What do you think? Happy for you to edit it however you like. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 23:49, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

@The ed17: I've been following along. I think the IP was well-intentioned, but the phraseology was a little off for me. I think between the IP changes, and your honing on it, we probably have a better lead than we had before. Keep going if you like. — Maile (talk) 23:54, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Agreed on the intent even if the diction wasn't great. Made one more edit, will leave it be for now! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 00:05, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

History guide

Is there a reason you blocked this account as a VOA? The account made only one edit and the user had never even been warned before... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:37, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Fine. 12 hours. Are you monitoring me? — Maile (talk) 21:20, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

RFPP

Hi,

Just thought I'd put on record why I made the requests for unprotection that you declined here. Basically, I was going through the protected page list and nominating those which I thought were no longer necessary for protection. All of those meatpuppets have been dormant for at least a decade so there's no real reason IMO to keep them protected. Anyway, just answering your question and not questioning your judgement!

Thanks,

DrStrauss talk 22:10, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

@DrStrauss: we have a miscommunication here. I am not the one who declined those unprotection requests. I asked why you wanted them unprotected, which is what is always asked when someone asks for a reduction in protection. It was actually Enigmaman who formally declined the requests. For future reference, it's RFPP policy to ping the protecting admin on those requests. But as in the case of some of these, the protecting admins hadn't edited for a long time. If the protecting admin is active and responds in the negative, as happened with one of those you nominated, it's not likely anyone else will unprotect. Somebody else can answer your issue about why old blocked socks aren't likely to be unblocked just for the asking on RFPP. — Maile (talk) 22:25, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

I declined them because they had been sitting there with no response for a while and I'm trying to clean up RfPP. Enigma^msg 22:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive editing on "Developing country" and "North-South divide"

Hello. I took a look at the contributions of all IPs in their /64-net (IPv6-users get one /64-net each, so all edits made by 2601:644:8780:5DE:* were made by a single user; sample editors: Special:Contributions/2601:644:8780:5DE:9531:A4E0:1474:39A9, Special:Contributions/2601:644:8780:5DE:8D8B:B317:8F16:E9EA, Special:Contributions/2601:644:8780:5DE:4C77:78BA:277E:7B13...), and found that they've been doing it regularly for about two weeks, as if they're creating their own world where China is third world, and the Soviet bloc has never existed (in their world the only developed country in Asia is Japan, and Eastern Europe is as developed as Western Europe). And during that time they have also made unsourced and very dubious changes on a large number of articles about TV-series shown by a TV network in Hong Kong, so I would recommend a two or three week range block of their entire /64 net... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 20:09, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't block IPs for extended periods, with rare exceptions. IPs are usually shared, and ISPs tend to rotate the IPs periodically. These look to me like the kind in use by mobile devices. These could be coming from coffee shop charging stations, restaurants, libraries, any number of places. It may, or may not, be the same user editing from multiple locations with the same ISP. Sorry, but you'll have to report them if it repeats. If it keeps repeating on the same articles, I would suggest a more logical route to get semi-protection at WP:RFPP. — Maile (talk) 20:19, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Those IPs aren't shared, they're all in the same location (it's a static broadband connection from ComcastCable), and all edits were obviously made by the same person, but I can present my evidence at WP:ANI tomorrow and see if there are any takers there. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 20:32, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Let me make this clear. I have never done a range block, and per WP:IPBLENGTH, I don't believe I should. Under the "Range blocks" section, you will find a link to the list of 23 admins who are willing to do range blocks. If this is what you want, I would suggest you contact one of them with this request. — Maile (talk) 20:52, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

That's what I would normally do (dealing with disruptive editors, POV-pushers and vandals is what I do most of my time here...), and it's perfectly fine with me, but since you blocked them I felt I should contact you first. Not wanting to do a range block is also perfectly fine with me, since it's kind of out of the ordinary, especially when its a v6 IP, so don't worry about that. Thanks for blocking the IP, and have a nice weekend! - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 21:01, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay, well enjoy the rest of your weekend. — Maile (talk) 21:05, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

OR or not?

Is ssrn.com not considered reliable? Seems like a generic publishing site, but I thought research papers are usually better regarded than even newspapers. 86.131.228.143 (talk) 23:57, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

You didn't link this, and I haven't been online for a few days. But I believe you are referring to my declining to protect List of Fascist movements, based on what editors were blanking out were your linking an online research paper to refer to the Republican Party and Donald Trump as fascists, by saying someone else said it. If you feel that you were correct in your edits, and that the source is valid, then you should probably start a thread on Talk:List of fascist movements and state your case. — Maile (talk) 02:28, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Исмаил Рагимов

User:Исмаил Рагимов at it again with more disruptive editing - Maybe some more time out FOX 52 (talk) 22:28, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@FOX 52: I have had limited time online the last couple of days. From what I see this editor has only made 2 edits since release from the block, and nothing for over 24 hours. Looking at his history, it's not necessarily an everyday effort. Right now, I'm not sure I can justify blocking him. But if you disagree, please feel free to file at AIV. In fact, because you never know when anyone will be online consistently, it might work out better for you to file at AIV first anyway. You might get quicker service there. — Maile (talk) 00:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Will do I just hit you up because you place block on him last - Thanks for the help FOX 52 (talk) 03:31, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Twin Peaks Talk Page

Why is it people like you always throw out the troll label when you disagree with someone, rather than having a constructive conversation? You are demoralizing and stigmatizing other wiki users with this poor behavior. This is why my ancestors left Europe, to escape people like you.

Dealing with you and your cohort is like being Rodney King on the ground dealing with LA Cops. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:6B4D:A600:F0A0:5F62:D2B3:7FC2 (talk • contribs) 13:36 4 September 2017 (UTC)

You have been blocked for multiple personal attacks. Instructions are on your user page for appealing the block. — Maile (talk) 13:53, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Iclaprim conflict

Hi - thank you for stepping in to the dispute. Basically I hardly ever edit wikipedia but this is something I have a personal interest and somewhat deep understanding of.

Firstly despite accusations to the contrary let me assure you I am not paid in ANY WAY to make edits to wikipedia. I am not a paid PR professional in any form.

I naively edited the page recently because it seemed to say that development of iclaprim had pretty much been discontinued. I added a lot of information about what Motif Bio have done in the last few years, all fully sourced.

I wasn't aware of style guides and jumping to conclusions etc but was unprepared to have the entire edit undone. The encyclopedia anyone can edit, but have their work instantly undone, and be accused of being paid? Really not very pleasing I must say.

So I accepted the bulk of the edits, but it seemed that the person removing my edit had set about to make the article as negative as possible. As punishment because he thought I was paid?

Anyway, I accepted the removal of pretty much everything I had put in, but theres a couple of points about the FDA process which I have addressed in talk to the user.

There's also the other user's insistence that the article quotes a secondary negative comment from the EMA after the European Marketing Application was withdrawn, without quoting the primary reason. Plus the conflicting user doesn't seem to have a grasp on the overall drivers for introducing novel therapies - not just to be better, but to have alternatives available to clinicians.

I have tried to explain in talk to the user and to the talk page against my IP address but really this has not been a great experience of trying to add a contribution to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.93.147.123 (talk) 11:59, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Take this to WP:ANEW or WP:ANI. — Maile (talk) 12:07, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

RFP

Please help handle with newly-proposed requests in WP:RFP. 117.136.44.234 (talk) 13:55, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Now allowed, or not allowed?

Hi Maile66. Your comment here may need that small correction. Thank you. Dr. K. 18:25, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@Dr.K.: Thanks. — Maile (talk) 20:14, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Any chance you can promote Prep 3?

We're 35 minutes from next promotion and nothing is in any queue. Prep 3 has just been refilled after having its lead hook pulled. Thanks for anything you can do. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:24, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

On it. — Maile (talk) 23:26, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks..

for blocking 110.140.138.209. Im pretty sure it is the Telstra-vandal, it quacks the same words... Huldra (talk) 21:36, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Talk page access removed

Hi [[Maile66|Maile66], I believe this IP needs there talk page access revoked [6] please. NZ Footballs Conscience^(talk) 18:21, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done — Maile (talk) 19:06, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

95.145.130.78 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Please revoke access for this IP to edit their talk page as they are being disruptive and reverting warning even after being blocked. Pkbwcgs (talk) 14:13, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done — Maile (talk) 14:22, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Liliuokalani

Any chance you are able to rewrite the legacy section for the Liliuokalani article? The article is under GA review now and I'm been really busy with my new job to edit much. I'm thinking it would be nice to nominate this article for DYK on the centennial of her death on November 11.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:38, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes. — Maile (talk) 11:27, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

John William Hewett (Hymnist)

Hi, I'm perplexed as to why you deleted my new article above? You just gave the reason "implausible". Please explain, thanks.Lobsterthermidor (talk) 12:33, 2 October 2017 (UTC) PS OK, I see what you did, found it under renamed title, thanks. Lobsterthermidor (talk) 12:40, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

@Lobsterthermidor: Just a full understanding of what happened. It was mostly just a process move. @TheGracefulSlick: moved John William Hewett (Hymnist) to John William Hewett (hymnist), which currently still exists. As you can see, the difference is the capitalization of the word "hymnist". When the page was moved, it created a Redirect page from the old name, pointing to the new one. TheGracefulSlick then nominated the redirect page for deletion, since it served no purpose. What I deleted was the redirect page. Glad you found the new one. — Maile (talk) 13:14, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Got it, thanks - I was just put off-track by the word "implausible", thanks.Lobsterthermidor (talk) 19:29, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Palmer

Can't help much but here are some additional leads: his brother was George Herbert Palmer and father and namesake was a Massachusetts State Senator. Here is his picture: File:Captain Julius A. Palmer.jpg. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:01, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

@KAVEBEAR: Workspace on possible article: Julius A. Palmer. For a long time I found nothing, and now I'm finding a lot in Chronicling America. Might work out. We'll see. — Maile (talk) 19:14, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military history WikiProject Coordinator election

Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway. As a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 29 September. Thank you for your time. For the current tranche of Coordinators, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Invitation to Admin confidence survey

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"Rouge" for "rogue"...

...is a long-standing Wikipedia joke, sort of like "teh" for "the" and "the Internets" for "the Internet". Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Bells

What do you remember from the sources in relation to bells tolling after the queen's death in the morning. The anniversary events happening next week is replicating this?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:00, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

"Solemn Tolling of Bells Announce Demise and News is Flashed All Over The World" " Scroll down on the first column. It begins, "Immediately following a doctor's statement that life was gone, Rev. Leopold Kroll of the Hawaiian congregation of St. Andrew's Cathedral and Rev. Henry H. Parker, pastor of Kawaihao church were notified, and the bells began their sad tolling - 79 times they tolled, telling all Honolulu that Queen Lilliuolakani, 79 years old, was dead."

"Death Comes to Hawaii's Queen in Calm of Sabbath Morning". Honolulu Star-Bulletin. Honolulu. November 12, 1917. p. 2, col. 1. Retrieved February 4, 2017. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

I just added this as a quote to the Death and state funeral of Liliuokalani. — Maile (talk) 11:54, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Investment

Not sure if your interested in this topic but you never know:

I'd like to invite you to join the Investment WikiProject. There are a lot of Investment related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help get this project off the ground and a few Investment pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks!

WikiEditCrunch (talk) 18:32, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Lena Machado

Have you heard of Lena Machado? I feel like she would be right up your alley of interest and Hawaii's Songbird deserved a better article. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:00, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

I absolutely know who Lena Machado is/was. I've often thought of doing the article on her, but was stumped for reliable sourcing to flesh out an article. — Maile (talk) 11:11, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

• KAVEBEAR I'm not particularly adept at uploading images to Commons from old newspapers. But if you know how, and if this is copyright free, here's a dandy one of Lena → "Lena Machado, 'Songbird of Hawaii', Receives Tribute as S. F. Fair Closes". The Honolulu Advertiser. No. November 3, 1940. p. 3. Retrieved November 9, 2017 – via Newspapers.com. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help) — Maile (talk) 15:25, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

• I don't have access to publisher extra. Also it was published in 1940 which means it is still copyright protected. It can probably be uploaded as a fair use image. Did you find in your research any connection between Lena Machado and Nani Alapai by any chance; Machado was mentioned as one of Madame Alapai's proteges by an interviewer in an interview with Alapai's hanai grandson. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:03, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

• Didn't know to search under the name Nani Alapai, but I will. Lena doesn't come up on a search through the Chronicling America, but those same newspapers give a ton of information at Newspapers.com. Which is one of the few places I can find info on her. For the time being, I've been working here. I know Lena acknowledged Julia K. Chilton and Lizzie Alohikea as her role models, but maybe Alapai was also. Her time with the band was tumultuous, to say the least ... behind the scenes of show business. — Maile (talk) 17:36, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

• Does the Wikipedia Library provide you access to Publisher Extra or did you pay for it yourself.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:54, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

• Wilipedia Library at WMFLabs. Everything I have that is subscription required comes through them. If it tells you to sign in, it's just your Wikipedia name and password. Oh ... it's not listed as "publisher extra", but as Newspapers.com, and there's one for NewspaperArchive.com — Maile (talk) 21:01, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

• KAVEBEAR regarding Alapai, just because I haven't found a reference to back up her influence on Lena, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The newspaper articles are more or less reliable sources ... as the events unfolded ... but the Alapai info might not have been relevant in that time. A lot of info out there since Lena died relies on a CD liner notes that her family wrote. A lot of present sources, including the Hawn Music Hall of Fame, just copy and paste that info without checking it. One big hole I found in the family's story is where they say Lena was the first woman in the US to host her own radio show (1943-1947). That's embarassingly not true, considering Kate Smith was a huge international star who hosted her own radio show for decades, beginning in 1931. — Maile (talk) 01:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I found the reference on the Haʻilono Mele Newsletters. Try looking through it if there are any other mentions of Machado. This page has the image you linked above. Also asking the resource desk for the entries on Machado from the 1979 and 2011 editions of Hawaiian Music and Musicians: An Illustrated History might give you a wealth of secondary source materials although you will have to ask for someone to do an index search. The early edition was written by George Kanahele while the later edition updated it with additional research. The 1979 edition mentions how the Machado's style is described as "reminiscent of Nani Alapai". Notable Women of Hawaii edited by Barbara Bennett Peterson also has an entry on Machado worth looking into. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:20, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR Thanks for the info. I'll probably use all that in the future. After expanding Lena Machado for a week, I was ready to move on. I've updated the article and opened a DYK for her. — Maile (talk) 00:52, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lena Machado

Hello! Your submission of Lena Machado at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 00:55, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Queue 3 query

Maile, was there a particular reason you restored the {{User:DYKUpdateBot/REMOVE THIS LINE}} template in this queue, when you also added the DYKbotdo template? It's not in the completed Queue 4, but it is in the otherwise empty Queue 5. I strongly suspect that they really mean you need to remove that line before the queue is promoted to the main page. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:07, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

BlueMoonset Thanks for catching this. Looking at the queue history, that was inserted prior to my edits, by someone I think meant to put the DYKbotdo in there. What I did, was see the DYKBotUpdate error message that the DYKbotdo was missing, so I inserted it at the top, without noticing "REMOVE THIS LINE" on the one below it. Taken care of now. — Maile (talk) 23:16, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Question

Am I correct that you were the admin who blocked 2605:8D80:621:9057:ABBD:2A7:96DC:3706?

It is still blocked, but that hopeless vandal is now using 2605:8D80:621:BF5D:30A:9331:CF04:A2FE, as they did at Fireboats_of_New_York_City. I explained at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Renamed_user_49274c4c204245204241434b why I considered that edit disruptive wikistalking.

1. Can that whole range 2605:8D80:621 be blocked?
2. Can that whole range be Indefinitely blocked?

Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 14:49, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

As I was reading this, I was thinking the same thing - a range block might be the best remedy. I don't do range blocks, so you're better off asking that at either AIV or ANI. — Maile (talk) 16:03, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

• Thanks for the quick reply! Geo Swan (talk) 23:35, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

DYK

I changed content in the hook for the Carson Hot Springs DYK after you reviewed, to 6.6 miles (10.6 km). Just letting you know. It is the same content, just specified in terms of miles/km, rather than feet, which seems to be more grabbing. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:54, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for responding there. We likely had the same idea right at the same time. I hadn't noticed that you had already reviewed when I revised the hook. Cool. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:01, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

I've seen enough reviews to believe we cross all the T's and dot all the I's, to avoid later questions. — Maile (talk) 01:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm a big proponent of trying to keep things running as smoothly as possible. Makes life easier for everyone. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:29, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Category deletion per CSD G6

Hi there!

I have a small request, please: when deleting categories such as Category:Sports venues in Santa Ana, California that are tagged with {{db-xfd}}, please include a link to the deletion discussion page in the deletion reason, so that editors can trace what happened with the category—you can do so manually or by using the "deletion" link in the speedy deletion notice itself. A deletion reason of "G6: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup" is technically correct, but obscures what happened to the category (especially to non-admins).

Thanks in advance! -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 22:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Black Falcon: Thank you for mentioning my oversight. I'll be more careful next time. — Maile (talk) 22:48, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

No worries, and your responsiveness is much appreciated! Cheers, -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 23:09, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Hawaiian burial practices

Do you know the legitimacy of this source?

• Kam, Ralph Thomas (2017). Death Rites and Hawaiian Royalty: Funerary Practices in the Kamehameha and Kalakaua Dynasties, 1819–1953. S. I.: McFarland, Incorporated, Publishers. ISBN 978-1-4766-6846-8. OCLC 966566652.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:53, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

According to the publisher, it is not yet out. McFarland - Death Rites and Hawaiian Royalty. But McFarland certainly is one of the more reputable publishers. Don't think there is going to be much on it until it's published. — Maile (talk) 23:13, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh, jumped the gun. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:12, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

@KAVEBEAR: Do you have MacFarland through Wikipedia Library Card? I don't, but I do notice that MacFarland sends PDF copies of books to you via email. Don't know about advanced copies, but maybe that might work for you. Even without the current article, it might come in handy later down the line. — Maile (talk) 13:28, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Protection on Israel Article

Hello, I noticed that you were the administrator who placed the extended-confirmed protection on the article Israel, I am writing to request that the protection be downgraded to semi-protection because there are extended confirmed users who are abusing the protection on the article in order to prevent people from achieving a consensus through editing. As a result of this, the article has been filled with false information about Jerusalem being marked as the Israel capital. Since 6 December 2017, following the declaration from Donald J. Trump that the US would recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, the 'internationally unrecognised' text has been removed next to the Israeli capital, however as the UN did not accept the move by Mr Trump, it remains internationally unrecognised.[7] As a result of this, I request a downgrade of the protection on this article. Thank You –GH (talk) 11:45, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

GippoHippo, I moved this discussion to WP:RFPP as I only restored the ECP that was put there as indef by KrakatoaKatie, and I don't know the history on this article. — Maile (talk) 12:34, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

First Lady of Honolulu

Good job on the article Spouses of the Governors of Hawaii. Do you know if you would be interested in creating one for the First Lady of Honolulu (the wives of the Mayors of Honolulu)?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:33, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

How many have there been, and who are they? — Maile (talk) 23:34, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

FYI, in a bizarre sort of way. Jean H. E. de Saint Cyr at Find a Grave , the second husband of Helen Strong Carter was a fortune hunter. I had looked up the Find A Gave reference to the Los Angeles Times article. Helen didn't stay married to him too long. Really bizarre, this con-artist nobody from Texas with a fake name, had married wealthy women in California. I think Helen was wife #3. Not enough info out there for an article on its own, but that certainly would make a good DYK hook. — Maile (talk) 23:46, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Good question. Probably as many as the First Ladies and First Gentleman of Hawaii starting from Sheba Fern to Donna Tanoue. Other than the current one only Kini Kapahu Wilson has an article. The third first lady of Honolulu was the daughter of a hanai son of Governor Paul Nahaolelua and a lady-in-waiting of Queen Liliuokalani.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:57, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Interesting challenge to make such a list, which would be almost all redlinks. I'm not sure what kind of info is available on them. What I'm seeing on state first spouses, is the reason the Women in Red project even exists - they mostly appear as a side comment, "Governor so-and-so is married to ..." and then the wife disappears from pubic comment, except as standing behind him when he takes the oath of office. It would be more so on mayors, since mayors don't always make national news. Coincidentally, when I see mayor Mufi Hannemann, I immediately envision his brother Nephi Hannemann all-around Waikiki entertainer, singer and actor. Fasi's wife might be interesting, since Fasi himself is (to me) one of the most interesting personalities to occupy the mayor's office. — Maile (talk) 12:31, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Side note in my search I have not been able to find much about the family origin of Mayor Charles N. Arnold of Honolulu. I have suspicions he is part Native Hawaiian but can't pinpoint a source that directly state he or one of his relative was Hawaiian. If there is any Hawaiian blood it would be from their mother's side (her 1916 obituary doesn't mention parents) since their father was from Pittsburgh.mThe best lead I have is his brother's 1931 obituary which stated he attended Kamehameha Schools (assuming native students were only accepted as well back then) and that their maternal grandmother was either a lady-in-waiting or treasurer to Queen Emma. Mayoe Arnold strangely does not appear much in secondary sources and seems forgotten by history. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:08, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR see User:Maile66/Place. Re your comments above, have you seen a first name for Mrs. Arnold? I think Joseph Fern was Native Hawaiian - he looks it, and his marriages indicate the wives might also have been Hawaiian. Mayor John Lane's wife, Alice Kia Nāhaolelua ... is she the Kia Nāhaolelua who was something like a lady in waiting to Liliuokalani, the one she mentions in her book? Also, I haven't found anything on Judy Carlisle except that the family really, really loves cats (which is OK with me in the notes column). Judy Carlisle just sticks out in this era as not having a career of her own. — Maile (talk) 00:40, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Alice Kia Nāhaolelua was the daughter of Elizabeth Kahele Manawaola St. John, who was the lady in waiting mentioned in Hawaii's Story as accompanying her to DC. Alice's father and Elizabeth's husband was Edward George Huakini Kia Nāhaolelua, the nephew and hānai son of Maui Governor Paul Nahaolelua. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

And yes both Fern and his wives were of Native Hawaiian descent. Based on the marriage records of Oahu, Arnold's first wife was Charlotte K. Taylor who died in 1916 before his mayorship. His second wife was Julia Kaanaana Arnold, a daughter of John F. Colburn and Julia Naoho. Very interesting. When you done this enough you realize how interconnected these families and figure were in Hawaiian history.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:45, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Agree. It's like doing a family tree of the history of Hawaii, or at least Honolulu. Lucy Thurston Blaisdell is surely descended from the missionary family. If we just go by obits in the news, Mrs. Blaisdell comes across as the most loved by the public. Neal Blaisdell was descended from John Adams Kuakini Cummins. — Maile (talk) 01:54, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR Done. Thanks for the suggestion and for the help. — Maile (talk) 16:51, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

• Spouses of the Mayors of Honolulu

Block IP of banned user

Hello, thanks for blocking ths user I reported earler today! I see, though, that they now have and indefinite block for sockpuppetry et al., so I just wanted to ask if his IP address, Special:Contributions/205.215.14.52 (which is only blocked until later today), should receive the same treatment? Cheers! Lordtobi (✉) 13:04, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Let's ask Alexf who did the original block. We don't generally give an indefinite block to an IP, because many are dynamic (shared) IPs that expire for the individual user after a couple of days. I think we'd need more than a few edits to know if this IP was assigned to a specific computer. — Maile (talk) 13:25, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

IPs are not blocked indefinitely. They are usually shared and even when they may not be, they are dynamic, with ISPs rotating them every so often, so you would never know. IP blocks increase in length with frequency. Should they try again they will get a longer and longer block every time and so on. -Keep an eye on them and report to AIV if warranted. -- Alexf^(talk) 15:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

King's tour

Hi, Maile. I remember a while back you had a concern about King Kalākaua's world tour that you brought up on the FA talk page as part of a proposal. I attempted to remove the content, as I agreed with you that it wasn't helpful, but was reverted. That doesn't really bother me as it's not a subject I feel strongly about, but I wanted you to know that more references were introduced that need cleaning up. At least one of them is a bare link, and the book cites could use formatting too. I'm not touching the article again, so it will be up to you to do whatever cleanup is required. I must say, though, that it strikes me as odd that five cites are needed to cover a single quote; if the content was truly helpful, that still looks like overkill. Anyway, happy editing. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Well, I saw that, and I thank you for your efforts. I am hoping there are more eyes on that article. — Maile (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Audie Murphy

Hi, I'm a bit concerned about your implementation of full protection on this article for three reasons:

• First, and most importantly, you are WP:INVOLVED here given that you developed the article to FA standard, and have been editing the article recently to remove the content for which you've imposed the protection. As the edits aren't vandalism or similar, you should not be using the admin tools here. This is the kind of thing which can get admins de-syoped, and I'd strongly encourage you to remove the protection ASAP, and lodge a request through WP:RFPP for another admin to consider. But I don't think it's likely that they would action it.
• Secondly, if only a single editor is disrupting the article the general principle is that the admin response should focus on them, and not other editors - eg, through a formal warning or a block depending on the severity. However, given that you are involved here, a block would be a terrible idea, and would likely lead to you losing the admin tools.
• Thirdly, as there is no edit warring, there is no reason to impose protection of any duration here, and especially not the rather drastic step of full protection for indefinite duration (something usually imposed only as a last resort).

As noted above, I'd strongly encourage you to reverse this action as soon as you read this. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 07:35, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I came here with similar concerns but a different angle. You shouldn't really be protecting articles you've written. Admins are just like everyone else when we work in the mainspace and we must avoid the impression that we get a veto or a supervote on content issues just because we're admins. The best thing to do is to approach another admin and ask them for help or to take the issue to a noticeboard. And on that note, I saw your post at WT:MILHIST and decided to investigate as an uninvovled admin. Given the history here, I've blocked YahwehSaves for a fortnight. I see this is not the first time they've been blocked for that sort of conduct on that article, so it might be worth pursuing a topic ban. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:32, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh, and I meant to say, I've reverted your protection back to semi since, with the block, full protection should be unnecessary. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:44, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

@Nick-D and HJ Mitchell: Thanks to both of you for your advice, and your action. Yes, this editor is habitual on this article (and chosen other articles, that include the field of baseball). It predates my involvement by years. The editor's pattern is to dismantle an article and rewrite it according to what they want it to say. After much edit warring back and forth, they lay off a given article for several months or years, and then return and do it again. Based on unrelated editors I see crop up at AIV, this seems to a type of vandalism that is perpetuated on various topics by several repeat vandals. Yes, I've been thinking of pursuing a topic ban. — Maile (talk) 11:20, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I used to do a lot of arbitration enforcement and I saw a lot of this kind of thing in some of the major hot topics like the Arab-Israeli dispute. In my experience, the best way to get decisive action on something like this is to bring it to someone's attention as soon as it happens and then raise it every time it happens. In this case, I'm just an admin who spotted a problem and acted to deal with the immediate issue and a longer block would be less likely to survive scrutiny if it was appealed. But if the disruption resumes after the block, it becomes easier to justify a (potentially much) longer block on the grounds of recidivism. What's difficult is for an admin to unilaterally act on something that has been going on for years unless something is currently happening. If you want to pursue a topic ban, you need to propose it at WP:AN; bear in mind that YS won't be able to respond directly while they're blocked, but if they wanted to make a statement somebody could copy it over. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:54, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: For this specific editor, this is an agenda/edit war with him that flows across other articles. They have two other decorated war heroes that they believe were more decorated than Audie Murphy. And his edits are to rewrite Murphy's war record, and try minimize the medals/decorations. This time, he reduced the size of the Medal of Honor image, among other things. Our article does not say Murphy was the most decorated, specifically because nobody really knows who was the most decorated. — Maile (talk) 12:20, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Well the topic ban proposal went much better than I expected. I thought you'd get the topic ban but didn't expect it to end with an indef block. And if they evade the block, they're blockable on sight. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 07:39, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

The way he's going about requesting an unblock is going to get him banned to the point he'll need to appeal via ArbCom – which I hope does happen now, because we'll never see him active again. He just had the cheek to try to set me up by using 4-year old material. I was instantly suspicious of him returning to the same old patterns of harming the Audie Murphy article just months after I got unblocked after 3 years away, and now I'm even more suspicious given that he's trying to procure dubious evidence against me. Just keeps digging a deeper hole for himself... — Marcus^(talk) 10:30, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Kind of surprised me, also, at how quickly and efficiently the ANI system worked on this. — Maile (talk) 12:04, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Precious four years!

Precious

Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' Greetings

...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:19, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day

Happy First Edit Day, Maile66', from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Nat965 (talk) 05:34, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Multi-year pattern of putting flags from European minor localities into unrelated articles

There is a consistent multi-year pattern with this vandal of putting flags from European minor localities into unrelated stub class articles in Asian and African geography. Don't know how to help, but here's the list of the IP's I saw today.

121.205.49.126 223.104.45.102 219.133.46.12 219.133.46.78 219.133.46.9 219.133.46.8 219.133.46.7 223.104.45.100 223.104.45.104 223.104.45.99 223.104.45.97 219.133.46.74 219.133.46.75 219.133.46.73 219.133.46.70 121.207.74.55 117.24.123.12 120.42.184.160

Geographyinitiative (talk) 14:42, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Copied this discussion to ANI. Please continue discussion there. — Maile (talk) 14:53, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Just so you know

Warning templates are supposed to be substituted. For example: {{subst:uw-vandalism1}}. Thank you. Hastiness (talk) 18:02, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

William Kualiʻi Sumner Ellis

Maybe you will have better luck with this than I've been having. But do you know when the musician William Sumner Ellis died? His brother was John Sumner Ellis who died in 1914. I've been looking at newspaper.com publisher extra for an obituary but can't seem to find one.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:32, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR that's a puzzle. All I can find is what you probably already have, nupepa obit on his brother John mentions "William Sumner Ellis, a brother, and also a well known singer who resided now in New York". For someone reputed to be so well known as a celebrity, it's odd nothing comes up. Not even Find a Grave. I have Papakilo database, newspapers.com, Newspaper Archive, MUSE, Questia, Jstor, Chronicling America, and none of it gives any information on this man. — Maile (talk) 13:26, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Yeah he definitely survived his brother John and their sister Victoria Buffandeau who died in 1921. His is mentioned as living in her obituary. This is all Kanahele (1st edition) has to say about him and his brother[8].--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:46, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Impressive. Makes you wonder how someone like that could have just dropped off anything on the internet today. I just now found Library of Congress, Ellis Brothers Glee Club Quartet and DAHR Ellis Brothers Glee Club Quartet. Not the info you are looking for, but, again, how did they disappear? — Maile (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2017 (UTC)