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Practicing kindness at Wikipedia
[edit]Wikimedia foundation's Fabrice Florin (the guy behind the Thank link, among other things for which I am thankful), asked me to help develop the "Editor Training and rewards" section of his proposal|Culture of Kindess. That's what this section is for: I'll post notes from my research and translate them into practicable steps. We welcome your suggestions.
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Practical applications of Kindness in Wikipedia[edit]For the empirical bases of these recommendations, please see Research notes below.
Research[edit]Can kindness be taught?[edit]
What's in it for me?[edit]
Threaded discussion[edit]Yadda
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Comments[edit]Wow, Leo, you're really making great progress with this research! Thanks so much for doing this, it's quite impressive :) I would like to help you with this, but am tied up right now with the release of Media Viewer, which is requiring most of my time for the next few weeks. Would be happy to contribute more, once we have completed that worldwide release. Thanks again, and godspeed! Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 18:46, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
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Social intuitionism
[edit]Leo, I think the Hypocrisy page is OK. How about clearing up the issues here: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Social_intuitionism? Bodysurfinyon (talk) 05:08, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Bodysurfinyon: Yikes, just saw this, sorry! On my list, thanks Yon - Warmest; LeoRomero (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Bodysurfinyon: Here's my first diff - LeoRomero (talk) 21:49, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
I think the first sentence of the article Hypocrisy can be improved, but I am not sure how:
Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, standards, behaviors, or virtues that one does not truly hold.
In many cases the person does actually hold those beliefs, standards, behaviors, or virtues but fails to apply them in that case/makes an exception to the rule. Maybe that person doesn't always follow them, but they generally still believe in them. Do you agree? The Quixotic Potato (talk) 12:13, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
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Kitty Genovese[edit]You mentioned the name Kitty Genovese above. Are you aware that that story isn't true?
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Fun with the Future of Artificial Intelligence
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Edits to Computational Sociology[edit]
Criterion #9[edit]Re WP:NFCCP #9: our Benevolent Robot Overloads are right, of course. Hollah, Hulla: Proof of Compliance - Mabuhay! - LoRETta/LeoRomero 23:29, 12 December 2015 (UTC) |
How to work with Professional Editors to improve Wikipedia, in 5 easy steps
[edit]in Social capital game-speak, a paid Wikipedian Editor is a Pro, a Car (Charity) is a Wikipedian who works for free, and a Cred is a Car with above-average Social Capital in the Wikipedia Community. In this case, David is the Pro, and I pretend to be a Cred.
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How to approach a Cred[edit]Gail Godwin I quite enjoyed your post here I have declared a COI on this page and was hoping I might be able to draw your attention to this discussion (also see here). It seemed like the kind of thing you may be interested in. David King, Ethical Wiki (Talk) 16:04, 4 December 2015 (UTC) How and how not to respond when asked to help[edit]
Following through: more work for Pro and Cred[edit]Disambiguation link notification for December 5 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.
It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:35, 5 December 2015 (UTC) Hi David - Please see errors above and fix? - Thanks; LeoRomero (talk) 15:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
A Q&A on Wikipedia and Wikimedia rules on Paid Edits[edit]Thanks David! Now about that flag you put at the top of the article, that it was paid for: what are Wikipedia rules on how to remove it? Makes us look like The Times Supplement. All that matters to me is that you strictly comply with the Community's core rules, verbatim et literatim (see cliche and pretentious). I'd remove the flag, but don't want to break yet another one of our gigagozillion rules. They might pull me out of Solitary. Kinda like what you did to me. - LeoRomero (talk) 16:09, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again David. Clearly, you are an expert on this subject, as are, I would like to think, the others from whose backs you fed. So my question to you-all is this: were you on acid? I ask, only because, it seems to me, that what you said is this:
I hope I hear you wrong, David. Otherwise, Holy shit! Please do let me know where I got you wrong. I am hearing- as well as vision-impaired. Also, They put me on meds. I haven't said this yet, but thanks for being so open and unambiguous in our conversation, and for being so responsive to my requests for edits to your paid article. I assumed your good faith, and it's already paid me back, not the least with this 10-second case study on the reality of solving problems we create, to solve problems we create, to solve problems we create. And you've also helped me hone my thoughts on our warlike culture (difflol) Instead of thinking of our inside games in terms of "Wikipedia is War", maybe we should think: "Wikipedia is Social Capital" - where social networks are central, transactions are marked by reciprocity, trust, and cooperation, and market agents produce goods and services not mainly for themselves, but for a common good. Cos that's kinda what we really are, no? Literally, as well as Figuratively? The "rightist" in me thinks that markets, in general, should be left alone. But this kind of market, where the "bottomline" is the Common Good? That's the kind of market we should leave as free as it can be. And that's the "leftist" in me talking. I hope that's all the non-content work for me today. I'm going back to improving content now, while gingerly trying not to piss-off our passive-aggressive uncommunicative Robot Overlords (see monologue above). Kindest; LeoRomero (talk) 21:28, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
That's so helpful, thanks David. Here's what I think I've learned from you so far:
Did I miss anything? - Thanks again; LeoRomero (talk) 17:48, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks John - I think so too, and it's really all because of the relentless work that you and the crew have done to make things better. As I told Sarah, Risker n em before, I have nothing but admiration for alyawl. Double-good to have you in my playground, because I'm about to propose a Mechanism design game-theoretic approach to handling COI, paid edits, and other problems, by redirecting energy, through low-cost incentives, towards making Wikipedia better for our readers. Might be some money in it for WMF as well. Hope you come back so you can check my math. I'll {ping} you. - Kindest; LeoRomero (talk) 01:10, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you David.You have been my best teacher at Wikipedia so far. I'm sorry others have given you so much grief that you decided to leave, and am grateful you returned so we can talk about this like normal people. - LeoRomero (talk) 01:22, 8 December 2015 (UTC) The End[edit]Hey David - I removed the Ad Flag today. Closing Records:
That's the end of that, I hope. I take back what I said about your work being "pretty good". I've edited and read hundreds of articles WIkipedians have written, and yours is inarguably outstanding. Thanks again for getting me involved in this most educational process. It's a good example, I jinxed, of how a Pro and a Cred (even a pretend one) can work together to make Wikipedia better for our readers. Our conversations and "transactions" made me think of more solutions, and here's a start. I hope you can help us write the draft. I'm working on a Sample Game, which includes a Pro named David. Purely fictitious, of course. Thanks again; Loretta/LeoRomero (talk) 07:03, 12 December 2015 (UTC) Step 6+ of 5: Epilogue[edit]Juniper MX-Series[edit]Juniper MX-Series - Any interest in taking a look at another one?[1] David King, Ethical Wiki (Talk) 18:26, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
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The Wikipedia Social Capital Game: a "Mechanism Design" approach to transforming Wikipedia
[edit]We now have a "Minimum viable product" (gotta love that Nerdish) for the Great Wikipedia Game of Cooperation. It's a "meta" game, the object of which is to create the Game itself. is to see if we can read each other's minds, and write a document that is as plain and simple as the truth. Hope to see you at the playground. Click on this to teleport:
The Wikipedia Social Capital Game: a "Mechanism Design" approach to transforming Wikipedia
Wikipedia, the World's Well of Knowledge, is under attack. Not from without, but from within. The object of this game is to protect Wikipedia from ourselves, for the immediate and ultimate gain of the game's Most Valuable Player: The Reader.
Please Edit as you please, and help us invent this game. Thank you.
Definition of terms
[edit]- Social capital is a form of economic and cultural capital in which human relationships are central, transactions are marked by reciprocity, trust, and cooperation, and market agents produce goods and services not mainly for themselves, but for a common good.
- Mechanism design is a field in economics and game theory that takes an engineering approach to designing economic mechanisms or incentives, toward desired objectives, in strategic settings, where players act rationally. Because it starts at the end of the game, then goes backwards, it is also called reverse game theory.
- The Projects: wiki-based projects run by the Wikimedia Foundation (a nonprofit founded in San Francisco in 2003). The Foundation operates many free-software and free-content projects.
- Game objectives: Institutionalize the Social Capital Market of the Wikipedia Community, with the least amount of regulation, without breaking current rules, in a way that others can replicate, for the immediate and ultimate gain of our Readers.
Assumptions
[edit]Premises, upon which whole arguments are built, are easier to discredit when they are stated as simply as possible, preferably in the form of equations. We state our Assumptions precisely. You might agree or disagree. But at least we should agree on what we agree or disagree.
- Wikipedia = Best Game Ever!
- Wikipedia = Fun. In this playground, we play games (not gaming-games, but game-games), while making Wikipedia better for our Readers.
- Responsibility = Trust. When we can be held responsible for our behavior, we are more likely to play nice, and play well, with each other.
- Trust > Privacy. If we must surrender some privacy to make Wikipedia trustworthy, then that's what we ought to do.
- Wikipedia = War = Bad. We propose an end to "Edit Wars" and all other forms of compensatory machoism which entrench our warlike behavior.
- Wikipedia = Social Capital Exchange (SCX) = Good. We had previously proposed that Wikipedians think instead of our Community as a "market" in Social Capital.
- Wikipedia = Free SCX = Better. We said that this kind of market - where the "bottomline" is the Common Good - ought to be as free as it can possibly be. Unregulated, unfettered, unconstrained.
- Free SCX = Free World. Our hypothesis is this: with a free social capital market at the center of the Wikipedia Community, Wikipedians can fix our pressing problems, release our power to change the world, open bigger markets for Wikipedians, and more opportunities to Live the Dream.
- What's that dream again? A world where we all share our knowledge, where all knowledge is free.
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{Ping}! John Nagle, as promised. Knowing you might check my math, I took a little more time to "produce a Minimum viable product" (gotta love that Nerdish): a Metagame, the object of which is to create the Game itself. I hope you'd help us write/right it. - Thanks again; Loretta/LeoRomero (talk) 22:32, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
3D2DO
[edit]Leo, do you mind if I move Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Gender gap task force/3D2Do to your user space for now? It's an interesting format, and I do like the idea of finding a way to encourage participation. I'm just not sure how GGTF members would use it. It's the kind of thing we should probably talk about before attaching it to the project. SarahSV (talk) 20:16, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks so much for asking, Sarah. I know I often come off as a douche, and I've been fixing that, mainly by following your example. So just so i'm glasslike: I really am grateful for how you've treated me since November, in this, my third attempt in 10 years, to withstand our "battlefield"-hardened Wikipedian culture. War is seductive. i was twice seduced, then repelled, by our "war" games. This time, I'm here to stay, thanks to good Wikipedians like you. And i'm changing the way i play the game. Instead of rejoining our Competitive games (which only boys, mainly, love), from now on I'll be playing only Cooperative games, which both girls (and some boys), normally, do enjoy.
- Now back to praising you: You could have simply done to me what too many other powerful Wikipedians do: with 2 clicks, undo the ~1 wo/man-week of work my friends and I invested into the Cooperation Index and 3d2do designs. Side note: we designed those mechanisms specifically for the inactive Community & Kindness projects that we adopted back in November. Our premise is this: systemic bias and other dysfunctions within the Wikipedia Community are but symptoms of diseases which have rendered our Community moribund for almost a decade. But we did agree that the Gender Gap among Wikipedians is the most shameful of these symptoms, so our first application of the Cooperative design is meant to end - and quickly - the gender bias among Wikipedians.
- Anne also expressed some major concerns, in a note to me via the Gender Gap list.
- I've got two immovable deadlines today in the extra-wiki world (so annoying, that) but I'll be back ASAY to address each of your points, at the Project's Talk page: Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Gender gap task force/3D2Do
- Thank you both. In Community, i remain, truly yours,
- Mabuhay! - LoRETta/LeoRomero 18:45, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Hi again Leo, we ought to move this (e.g. to User:LeoRomero/Gender gap 3D2Do), or perhaps you can create an essay. It wouldn't matter so much if you hadn't pinged members, but as things stand it isn't clear what they're meant to do once pinged. So I think it would be better to move it, then ask for other opinions on WT:GGTF. SarahSV (talk) 04:30, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- Heya Sarah, thanks again so much for letting me know the problem I caused. I should've foreseen that, and I'm sorry. I hope I fixed my mistake with the recent changes to the Project page (diff) and Talk diff). If not, please do let me know. - Kindest & Mabuhay! - LoRETta/LeoRomero 21:22, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Update tag
[edit]Hi Leo. While I understand wanting to link to the exact talk section in the notice, I think the {{update}} tag makes more sense for Gender bias on Wikipedia - the only issue you've identified is that it's out of date, and that tag provides a more specific categorization and listing of the problem for potential fixers than the far more general {{cleanup}} tag. Would you consider changing back? Nikkimaria (talk) 22:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Done Thank you Nikkimaria, and Mabuhay! - LoRETta/LeoRomero 01:29, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Invitation to a virtual editathon on Women in Music
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Done thank you Ipigott, and Mabuhay! - LoRETta/LeoRomero 03:33, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hello Leo!
[edit]Remember me? We spoke about improving the definition of Hypocrisy (see above). I saw an edit on a Signpost page that mentioned your name. You are not "Infinitely Banned", its just a temporary block (but the amount of time is set to indefinite at the moment). And we would like to have you back! Some admins were worried that your account may have been hacked, because some of the recent edits were naughty (I have no idea what they contain because they are hidden and I am not an admin). Please respond here (preferably using your account) and explain what happened. I don't know if the account was hacked or if you had a bad day or something else happened but if we can talk about it then we can try a new unblock request. If you want me to I can help you with that. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
If you prefer to use email my address is thequixoticpotatowiki@gmail.com The Quixotic Potato (talk) 17:40, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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"Women are everywhere"
[edit]Hi LeoRomero. I'm an editor of the Italian Wikipedia. I'm trying to participate to an IEG with the project "Women are everywhere". You will find the draft at this link https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_are_everywhere It would be great if you could have a look at it. I need any kind of suggestion or advice to improve it. Support or endorsement would be fantastic. Many thanks,--Kenzia (talk) 15:15, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Digital Anthropology research
[edit]Hello LeoRomero, My name is Stephanie Barker and I am a student at the University of Colorado Boulder. I am currently enrolled in a Digital Anthropology class, which attempts to answer how the digital world affects culture and how culture affects the digital world. For my final project I am doing an ethnography on women Wikipedia users and as a member of the WikiProject Women page I was hoping I could ask you some questions about your experiences editing Wikipedia pages. 1. Have you ever been locked into an intense editing war? If yes, please explain the situation to me. 2. How did you become interested in editing Wikipedia pages and did you have any initial fears/hesitations when you started editing pages? 3. Have you ever been a victim of a mass deletion or other vandalism on Wikipedia? If yes, please explain the situation to me. 4. How would you describe your gender? 5. Is there anything else you would like to share with me about your experiences as a Wikipedia editor? Thank you for taking the time to read this email. I would like you to know that I am only sharing my research with my professor and the other students in my class. If you would like me to send you a copy of my final project, I would be more than happy to! Sincerely, Stelba90 (talk) 01:02, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
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